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[Stripe523]

Let me start by saying that I thought the ending to ME3 was crap - complete and utter crap!

This is coming from someone who pre-ordered the game (with DLC) and owns every other game and add-on in the franchise. Also, for what its worth, it's coming from an adult with a life and a job who is a general fan of sci-fi and RPGs and has so far appreciated the Mass Effect series as much for its story as its gameplay.

I don't care whether or not Shepard dies. I don't care whether or not there are unanswered questions that remain. These things are within the realm of artistic license.

I DO care that endings don't contain glaring plot holes. I DO care that the team I assembled and the choices I made impact the ending (ie different video and cutscenes based on who is present at the final battle). And I DO care that not all criticism is dismissed as the ravings of entitled adolescent fanboys.

Would it set a bad example if the developers changed the ending just because fans complained?
Yeah, it would.

Should the developers change the ending just because fans want something happier that ties up all loose ends?
Heck no.

Should fans stop whining about a for-profit company expecting [gasp] money for content, including DLC?
Yes, please.

HOWEVER

Should the developers feel guilty about letting fans down with a shabby ending to a great series?
I sure hope so.

Should the media assume that the silent majority are any more satisfied with the ending than the vocal fanboys?
Not if they know their audience.

Am I insulted that the developers appear to be patronizing their customers by both defending their sloppy ending while still leading people along with the promise that fans' input still matters?
You betcha.

Essentially, I still have some respect for and trust in the team that gave me 2.9 wonderful games. I want to hear how they wanted to end the series, for the sake of the story - resources, profit and production values be damned. If that conclusion is really what ended up in ME3, then they should defend it and stop pretending that our reaction matters one way or the other. If real-world constraints made them cut corners, then I would appreciate knowing how they really wanted the series to end (as DLC or otherwise). But please stop insulting all of our intelligence by trying to have it both ways and demeaning the motivations of the many (up until now silent) dissatisfied and disappointed fans.

Sincerely,
Not just a whiny fanboy

Modifié par Stripe523, 20 mars 2012 - 01:59 .

[meisjoe]

Yep, sounds about right.

--My name is Joe, and I support this message.

[PiEman]

The problem is, companies like EA and Bioware don't feel guilt.
They either feel money moving into their wallets, or out of it, and nothing else.

[Paul E Dangerously]

Boo hoo. It's a "bad" ending. The way some people are acting, you'd think this is the first video game they've ever played that leaves them unsatisfied. God knows what they'd do if they ever encountered a game with one of those "Guess what, we're not answering any questions until the sequel" endings.

[PiEman]

Sopa de Gato wrote...

Boo hoo. It's a "bad" ending. The way some people are acting, you'd think this is the first video game they've ever played that leaves them unsatisfied. God knows what they'd do if they ever encountered a game with one of those "Guess what, we're not answering any questions until the sequel" endings.

And I'm sick of this crap too.

If you think we're pathetic whining fanboys, then shut up and leave us alone. What do you have to gain from EA continuing to use shady, underhanded tactics to suck every last drop out of this franchise?

[phouria]

PiEman wrote...

The problem is, companies like EA and Bioware don't feel guilt.
They either feel money moving into their wallets, or out of it, and nothing else.

its cuz bioware and ea is not a person. it's a corporation (made of people that move money in and out of their wallets -ZING!)

still, it's a conglomerate mass of people who think they are doing something right but end up messing up. It's hard to design a game for the masses. On one hand, u can alienate any group of people, on the other hand, something that pleases everyone will just make it bland.

[Paul E Dangerously]

PiEman wrote...

And I'm sick of this crap too.

If you think we're pathetic whining fanboys, then shut up and leave us alone. What do you have to gain from EA continuing to use shady, underhanded tactics to suck every last drop out of this franchise?

When the majority of complaints I hear about the game are from the last FIVE MINUTES? I don't know what I possibly have to gain about such sleazy, underhanded tactics. People have whipped themselves into a frenzy over this, and it's just kind of..pathetic.

Maybe it's because I don't expect Fallout 2 out of everything, where it takes ten freaking minutes for the narrator to explain the choices you made in detail into the very last degree. 

Or perhaps it's just that I've grown sick of official forums becoming unusable in the sea of complaints that follows a release. I really wish developers would just make a general "(game) complaints" forum so those of us who actually want to discuss a game within six months of a release can actually do so without being drowned out.

[PiEman]

phouria wrote...

PiEman wrote...

The problem is, companies like EA and Bioware don't feel guilt.
They either feel money moving into their wallets, or out of it, and nothing else.

its cuz bioware and ea is not a person. it's a corporation (made of people that move money in and out of their wallets -ZING!)

still, it's a conglomerate mass of people who think they are doing something right but end up messing up. It's hard to design a game for the masses. On one hand, u can alienate any group of people, on the other hand, something that pleases everyone will just make it bland.

Thing is, they ONLY care about the money. Nothing else.

Look at Steam. Look at Blizzard. Do they enjoy money? Why yes, yes they do! Do they spend their time tirelessly finding new ways to exploit every last cent out of new games by cutting corners everywhere, speeding up production with unreasonable release dates and firing good employees? As far as I know, they do not.

[PiEman]

Sopa de Gato wrote...

PiEman wrote...

And I'm sick of this crap too.

If you think we're pathetic whining fanboys, then shut up and leave us alone. What do you have to gain from EA continuing to use shady, underhanded tactics to suck every last drop out of this franchise?

When the majority of complaints I hear about the game are from the last FIVE MINUTES? I don't know what I possibly have to gain about such sleazy, underhanded tactics. People have whipped themselves into a frenzy over this, and it's just kind of..pathetic.

Maybe it's because I don't expect Fallout 2 out of everything, where it takes ten freaking minutes for the narrator to explain the choices you made in detail into the very last degree. 

Or perhaps it's just that I've grown sick of official forums becoming unusable in the sea of complaints that follows a release. I really wish developers would just make a general "(game) complaints" forum so those of us who actually want to discuss a game within six months of a release can actually do so without being drowned out.

It's because they've been saying for years that the choices made in the last two games would lead to a number of completely different endings, based on all or your actions leading up to that point. 

Instead, we got to pick our favorite color. Not to mention all the sudden gaping plot holes it suddenly opens up, the complete lack of any closure afterwards, and the fact that it directly contradicts the ending promised above.

[CodeMyster]

Well said OP. I still respect and admire Bioware but the ending to me felt like that moment when you change the channel to a movie to only see the ending and wonder what the hell that was all about. Only this "movie" you have seen from the beginning and the ending while not terrible feels out of place.

I'm all for the "games are art" but I believe for any story their is a fine line between art and common sense.

[Namevah]

Stripe523 wrote...

Am I insulted that the developers appear to be patronizing their customers by both defending their sloppy ending while still leading people along with the promise that fans' input still matters?
You betcha.

It would be rather refreshing to hear a company announce that they hate their own ending and don't care about what fans have to say. Especially the latter since that thought has undoubtably crossed the mind of every BioWare employee.

[Lexxbomb]

PiEman wrote...

The problem is, companies like EA and Bioware don't feel guilt.
They either feel money moving into their wallets, or out of it, and nothing else.

I am 100% sure the employees do feel guilt however... but then again when you look at group guilt and responcibility the larger a group is the less eah individual feels responcibility for an action they have.could be involved in...

Its why in a firing line every one has blanks excpet for 2 of them... that way no one knows who actually kills the prisoner and they do not refuse to fire their weapon...

so lets be clear here the Corporation feels no guilt (well except for the CEO of EA who wants to charge all players $1 of real money in game for a reload - serious www.youtube.com/watch)

while the Employees do

Modifié par Lexxbomb, 20 mars 2012 - 07:11 .

[Buffy-Summers]

Why is it a bad example if they fix it in a PAID for DLC?

Thats a good thing for EA and Bioware

Those upset with the ending buys the 500 point happy happy joy joy ending and oh wait your right it is a bas example.

Now all games will have stupid stupid endings and the greedy corporations will hold hostage the good decent endings for more cash

[PiEman]

Lexxbomb wrote...

PiEman wrote...

The problem is, companies like EA and Bioware don't feel guilt.
They either feel money moving into their wallets, or out of it, and nothing else.

I am 100% sure the employees do feel guilt however... but then again when you look at group guilt and responcibility the larger a group is the less eah individual feels responcibility for an action they have.could be involved in...

Its why in a firing line every one has blanks excpet for 2 of them... that way no one knows who actually kills the prisoner and they do not refuse to fire their weapon...

so lets be clear here the Corporation feels no guilt (well except for the CEO of EA who wants to charge all players $1 of real money in game for a reload - serious www.youtube.com/watch)

while the Employees do

Eh, I still don't see it. I may be biased though, I've had a deep hatred of a lot of large corporations for years.

[Ronin1325]

Lexxbomb wrote...

PiEman wrote...

The problem is, companies like EA and Bioware don't feel guilt.
They either feel money moving into their wallets, or out of it, and nothing else.

I am 100% sure the employees do feel guilt however... but then again when you look at group guilt and responcibility the larger a group is the less eah individual feels responcibility for an action they have.could be involved in...

Its why in a firing line every one has blanks excpet for 2 of them... that way no one knows who actually kills the prisoner and they do not refuse to fire their weapon...

so lets be clear here the Corporation feels no guilt (well except for the CEO of EA who wants to charge all players $1 of real money in game for a reload - serious www.youtube.com/watch)

while the Employees do

Thanks for posting that video Lexxbomb, I tried to make a thread about it, but it got locked because it "wasn't ME3 related." <_<

[Northernian]

Think people are so frustrated that they can only express their anger with memes. As an example, a very good one imo:

[Moonshadow_Dark]

You know while you all are protesting and writing the same thread topic over and over,

Micheal Bay is remaking the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles into ninja aliens from outer space.


Just an FYI on your priorities.

[BioWareM0d13]

Sopa de Gato wrote...

Boo hoo. It's a "bad" ending. The way some people are acting, you'd think this is the first video game they've ever played that leaves them unsatisfied. God knows what they'd do if they ever encountered a game with one of those "Guess what, we're not answering any questions until the sequel" endings.

How dare these people complain about unsatisfying conclusion to a product they paid for!

[MegaBadExample]

If Bioware wants the fans to stick around and buy their DLC... Well then that content should be something they want, and most people want closure.

Nobody wants to buy Mass effect 3 DLC if the ending is still bad (and makes no sense) So why the hell not work on an ending DLC for those fans who want it? ....Oh, yeah, it's probably too hard to pull off. Too many options to take account of and such. Carry on.