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[Complistic]

Fallout 3 pre Broken Steel had a better ending than this.

[The Angry One]

Complistic wrote...

Fallout 3 pre Broken Steel had a better ending than this.

The ending was a contrived railroad.
But I can see what they were going for, and with a better setup it might've worked.
Also, it didn't retroactively destroy the world you were in.

Of course it was better.

[CrasVox]

Bethesda is still legit. And while I did not enjoy Fallout 3 as much as I enjoyed Oblivion, it still was fun, and rich. Even with that ending, I did not lose respect for them.

Bioware? I lost respect. Not just as a studio, but as a creative team. They could have done so much better. But they didn't. they settled for "fine", when they could have reached for "legendary".

[RaideDuku]

Baihu1983 wrote...

Any chance of EA's deal with Bioware running out or are they owned for life?

Bioware will continue to spiral into oblivion. Once EA is finished draining all profit they can from them, they will be tossed aside on the pile of the empty husks of companies that have been devoured by EA before them.

[Sanrei]

BadlyBrowned wrote...


One thing you got to hand to Valve (and to Blizzard as well) they don't release a game until it's finished. Now where's my HL3 damn it?! 

Right? I'd wait another year if it meant they had a chance to implement everything as it should have been. The whole thing reeks of rushed material.

I read somewhere recently that the whole stink the fans are making over the ending may be good for games in the long run, because setting unrealistic deadlines and rushing games out before they are ready has ruined a lot of games in the past.

[Sanrei]

RaideDuku wrote...

Baihu1983 wrote...

Any chance of EA's deal with Bioware running out or are they owned for life?

Bioware will continue to spiral into oblivion. Once EA is finished draining all profit they can from them, they will be tossed aside on the pile of the empty husks of companies that have been devoured by EA before them.

When I heard EA had bought Bioware it was like hearing someone you know has advanced cancer.

Sure, they aren't dead yet, but give it time.

[The Angry One]

I find a lot of the over-simplification in Skyrim irritating, but Bethesda still listen to their fans.
I will buy Fallout 4. I can't say the same for Dragon Age 3 or whatever.

[Element Zero]

Wow, that's legit. I really respect that he and his team owned it, put aside pride, and fixed it.

I got a kick out of the Fallout character saying "Relax. You're fine. You're in the Citadel." Since Bioware borrowed so heavily for the ending of ME3, maybe they could yoink that line to start their DLC ending.

Modifié par tallrickruush, 20 mars 2012 - 10:50 .

[Zuka999]

At least the ending of Fallout 3 made sense. Yeah, radiation kills you, we figured that out from fighting off radiation poisoning for the previous 300 hours of game time or whatever.

Mass Effects ending is a total breakdown of everything the game stands for. Its absolutely atrocious. Its the kind of ending Bethesda would scrap before it even reached the table.

[Vovea]

Complistic wrote...

Fallout 3 pre Broken Steel had a better ending than this.

Fallout 3's original ending wasn't great, it had plot holes you only had one choice with three different ways to make that choice, but yeah, atleast it was possible to die a hero and get some great closure. Even so Bethesda changed it and made it infinitely more satisfying.

Modifié par Vovea, 20 mars 2012 - 11:01 .

[Beldamon]

Skyrim was my real intro to Bethesda. Been thinking about giving FO3 a try for quite some time. Might just go for it now...or maybe back to Skyrim.

Setting of FO3 seems rather bleak...however at least I'll be going into it know that, rather than being fed a message of hope and self-determination...then getting sidelined and deprived of both at the end.

Modifié par Beldamon, 20 mars 2012 - 11:22 .

[Wolven_Soul]

Cool guy.  Nice to know that there is someone who can admit when they mess up.  On another note, Bioware could learn some things from Bethesda.  I have never been disatisfied with DLC from them.  Before you say anything, I never bought the horse armor. 

[Wolven_Soul]

Beldamon wrote...

Skyrim was my real intro to Bethesda. Been thinking about giving FO3 a try for quite some time. Might just go for it now...or maybe back to Skyrim.

Setting of FO3 seems rather bleak...however at least I'll be going into it know that, rather than being fed a message of hope and self-determination...then getting sidelined and deprived of both at the end.

I suggest giving it a try.  It really is a fantastic game.  It's bleak but...it's post apocalyptic.  And they do it better than any.

[Luiginius]

That interview made me believe in humanity a bit more. Great guy. I'd bet real money that Casey will never say:"Sorry guys, was just one of those days"
Whole deal smells of couple individuals falling in love with one single idea. That's bad mojo if corporate culture doesn't allow criticism. Because there just have to be couple people in bw atm that called this.

Modifié par Luiginius, 21 mars 2012 - 01:05 .

[Vovea]

Beldamon wrote...

Skyrim was my real intro to Bethesda. Been thinking about giving FO3 a try for quite some time. Might just go for it now...or maybe back to Skyrim.

Setting of FO3 seems rather bleak...however at least I'll be going into it know that, rather than being fed a message of hope and self-determination...then getting sidelined and deprived of both at the end.

New Vegas is less bleak if you want to be all gloomy about post apocalyptica but  still be able to enjoy being attacked by a gang of grandmothers armed with rolling pins.

Todd Howard wasn't the exclusive producer of NV, however.

[Asari23]

The thing is, fallout's ending wasnt even bad, and hardly anyone complained about it, the devs took it upon themselves to change it due do the fact that they couldn't really put out any cannon DLC, so tho similar, you can't really compare these two situations.

[Neuthung]

Todd continues to be my favorite man in gaming.

[The Angry One]

Asari23 wrote...

The thing is, fallout's ending wasnt even bad, and hardly anyone complained about it, the devs took it upon themselves to change it due do the fact that they couldn't really put out any cannon DLC, so tho similar, you can't really compare these two situations.

No, a lot of people complained about it. There wasn't near as much rage, because it wasn't that outright insulting.
But people did complain due to the railroading, the plotholes and the fact that there was no post-main quest play as Bethesda had consistently provided in Morrowind and Oblivion.

Bethesda did listen to it's fans, it didn't go "this is our artistic vision arf arf!", they saw they were wrong and changed it.

[Darkwulfjj]

I can only hope bioware follows suit to other big time RPG company out right now Bethesda

[TheClonesLegacy]

Ea's gonna see the Profit in Ending DLC it's just a matter of time

[gmboy902]

Oh look, a company that is willing to admit their mistakes also manages to rake in GOTY awards and keep games selling well for years after their release (lots of people still buy/play Morrowind).

[Reiella]

The Angry One wrote...

Asari23 wrote...

The thing is, fallout's ending wasnt even bad, and hardly anyone complained about it, the devs took it upon themselves to change it due do the fact that they couldn't really put out any cannon DLC, so tho similar, you can't really compare these two situations.

No, a lot of people complained about it. There wasn't near as much rage, because it wasn't that outright insulting.
But people did complain due to the railroading, the plotholes and the fact that there was no post-main quest play as Bethesda had consistently provided in Morrowind and Oblivion.

Bethesda did listen to it's fans, it didn't go "this is our artistic vision arf arf!", they saw they were wrong and changed it.

Yes, they changed it by adding the option that the fans said made sense, and then if you choose it, the game made fun of you for chosing it .

[Yalision]

After the Facebook/Twitter fiasco I was absolutely broken and upset even more because I was beginning to have hope and faith in Bioware. Now that the situation has passed, I am getting back to that position, especially since this thread has been allowed to persist being so close to "off-topic". I made it because I want other people to look at the example which has been set and make an educated opinion on a company that has given us almost everything the biggest vocal masses have asked for in DLC.

Now we just have to give them time and be respectful. It could take a couple of months before we hear anything concrete.

[Asepsis]

Bethesda I <3<3<3<3<3<3 you.

Morrowind, Skyrim, Fallout 3, New Vegas... Oblivion was fun...until I started messing with those gates. Still great game though story wise.

GAWD! take a hint Bioware! Bethesda has loyal fans that love them because they CARE, please care ea/bioware? Release better ending, or explain, or SOMETHING!

EDIT:

gmboy902 wrote...

Oh look, a company that is willing to
admit their mistakes also manages to rake in GOTY awards and keep games
selling well for years after their release (lots of people still
buy/play Morrowind).

So true.

Modifié par Asepsis, 21 mars 2012 - 01:34 .

[M12311]

Complistic wrote...

Fallout 3 pre Broken Steel had a better ending than this.

Yeah, killing the hero is one thing. Ruining the a trilogy retroactively takes major skillz.