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[LegendaryBlade]

So lets get on with the massive topic edit, I didn't expect this thread to expand like it did but if it's going to be discussed, it needs an OP that really opens up discussion.

Mike Laidlaw said in an interview with Gamespot that a return to the RPG style of Dragon Age: Origins is unlikely, proclaiming "The big key is to not adjust 180 degrees again, because we've done this."
- http://www.gamespot....oughts-6305575/  There's a few other snippits in there that are worth reading.

Dragonage III is going to be a failure for just this reason, at very least in my opinion. We already know that Dragonage II did not reach the critical acclaim of it's predeccessor, sitting a full nine points lower than it on Metacritic (91 vs 82), which is up from 79 that it was a bit earlier this year. It's no secret that a lot of Origins fans were dissapointed in DA2.

More specificaly, fans of DA:O who are hoping that we will get the proper sequel we wanted in DA3 are more than likely going to be sorely dissapointed. The idea that "DA3 will be what DA2 should of been" is already spreading, and we hardly have any other proof beyond the vague promises that that's going to be the case. I don't have the article link here with me(I will find it later), but in a later article to the one I posted Bioware said that RPGs in that older style are less relevant on the market(despite reception showing the opposite). DA3 will be more of what DA2 was, and that's fine for people who enjoy DAs(Regardless of how they felt about DA:O)

But it should go without saying that if you love DA:O and hate DA2, you will hate DA3 unless steps are taken by the developing staff to greatly improve it over 2.

EDIT: Overhaul Games is releasing an "Enhanced Edition" of Baldur's Gate 1 & 2 later this year (Summer 2012) with hopes to make enough money to build Baldur's Gate 3 in the true spirit of the games that preceed it. If you like DA:O I highly suggest you support them.

Modifié par LegendaryBlade, 21 mars 2012 - 06:31 .

[EnforcerGREG]

I will hold my judgement till I've played the demo or at least seen somegameplay footage. Wait till you hear what they have to say at pax before condeming DA3. We know nothing about it yet.

Modifié par EnforcerGREG, 20 mars 2012 - 11:09 .

[Plaintiff]

We're so lucky that we have you here to tell us what our opinions are going to be. We'd never get by without you.

[Lintanis]

Can always count on something making you laugh on here its brilliant 

Modifié par Lintanis, 20 mars 2012 - 11:15 .

[LegendaryBlade]

EnforcerGREG wrote...

I will hold my judgement till I've played the demo or at least seen somegameplay footage. Wait till you hear what they have to say at pax before condeming DA3. We know nothing about it yet.

Waiting until we see trailers and stuff makes sense, but I have a feeling this is going to very quickly turn in to "Don't judge it until you buy it!" which is exactly the trap many fell for with DA2.

Plaintiff wrote...

We're so lucky that we have you here to tell us what our opinions are going to be. We'd never get by without you.

 

I know, right? Good thing i'm here.

Modifié par LegendaryBlade, 20 mars 2012 - 11:20 .

[bEVEsthda]

LegendaryBlade wrote...

 Mike Laidlaw said in an interview with Gamespot that a return to the RPG style of Dragon Age: Origins is unlikely, proclaiming "The big key is to not adjust 180 degrees again, because we've done this.

Dragonage III is going to be a failure for just this reason. Or, more specifically, fans of DA:O who are hoping that we will get the proper sequel we wanted in DA3 are going to be sorely dissapointed. The idea that "DA3 will be what DA2 should of been" is already spreading, and it's not the case. DA3 will be more of what DA2 was, and that's fine for people who enjoy DA2.

But it should go without saying that if you love DA:O and hate DA2, you will hate DA3.

Can't agree with the last line, I'm afraid.

We'll just have to see. I would throroughly hate to figure in sales-statistics of a "polished DA2 style" DA3, so I'll delay purchase and investigate every angle of the game as well as I can, through YouTube videos, reviews, forums etc, - before buying DA3.

And I'm not terribly hopeful. Bioware people tend to send the entirely wrong vibes in my direction, every time, be it in this forum or in interviews.
- Still, you can't draw the kind of conclusions you do, from Mike Laidlaw's statement. I think his statement is entirely reasonable and also what I sort of would expect. And he also has a small point, really very small, but still. They have already done that.

I will wait for the game before judging it. But, well, I have very strong suspicions that Bioware are making the classic, monumental mistake of listening mainly to the criticism they want to listen to. In this case, listening only to those who already liked DA2. And their opinions was hardly the problem for DA2.

Modifié par bEVEsthda, 20 mars 2012 - 11:27 .

[k177sh0t]

What's the incentive to buy DA3 anyway?

I bought DA2 because of its predecessor, dunno about DA3

[bEVEsthda]

k177sh0t wrote...

What's the incentive to buy DA3 anyway?

I bought DA2 because of its predecessor, dunno about DA3

The incentive is still DA:O.  (and Baldur's Gate)
Don't really assume that Bioware or the majority of this forum will understand that though...

Modifié par bEVEsthda, 20 mars 2012 - 11:40 .

[LegendaryBlade]

bEVEsthda wrote...

LegendaryBlade wrote...

 Mike Laidlaw said in an interview with Gamespot that a return to the RPG style of Dragon Age: Origins is unlikely, proclaiming "The big key is to not adjust 180 degrees again, because we've done this.

Dragonage III is going to be a failure for just this reason. Or, more specifically, fans of DA:O who are hoping that we will get the proper sequel we wanted in DA3 are going to be sorely dissapointed. The idea that "DA3 will be what DA2 should of been" is already spreading, and it's not the case. DA3 will be more of what DA2 was, and that's fine for people who enjoy DA2.

But it should go without saying that if you love DA:O and hate DA2, you will hate DA3.

Can't agree with the last line, I'm afraid.

We'll just have to see. I would throroughly hate to figure in sales-statistics of a "polished DA2 style" DA3, so I'll delay purchase and investigate every angle of the game as well as I can, through YouTube videos, reviews, forums etc, - before buying DA3.

And I'm not terribly hopeful. Bioware people tend to send the entirely wrong vibes in my direction, every time, be it in this forum or in interviews.
- Still, you can't draw the kind of conclusions you do, from Mike Laidlaw's statement. I think his statement is entirely reasonable and also what I sort of would expect. And he also has a small point, really very small, but still. They have already done that.

I will wait for the game before judging it. But, well, I have very strong suspicions that Bioware are making the classic, monumental mistake of listening mainly to the criticism they want to listen to. In this case, listening only to those who already liked DA2. And their opinions was hardly the problem for DA2.

I can respect that, and if DA3 turns out to be the best thing since sliced bread i'll probably buy it too. I just hope you approach it with a healthy slice of skepticism and wait and see. For me though, as of right now, with statements like "Oldschool RPGs are no longer relevant" I don't have any faith in Bioware to make an Medieval RPG that i'll enjoy.

Overhaul Games is releasing an 'Enhanced Edition' of BG1&2, with hopes to earn the money to develope BG3. I'm going to follow them for a bit. I'm going to add that to the OP, even

[PinkShoes]

I will say this, i am very very excited and very very very worried. I feel like pleading to Bioware, please don't make DA3 like DA2! DA2 wasn't a terrible game don't get me wrong but god it was just so different from DAO in all the wrong ways, I'm replaying DAO now and I'm just thinking "how could these two games even be related?" DA2 wasn't a sequel it was a whole new game.

People complain when old fans say they wanted DAO2 well is that a bad thing? DAO was an epic game and we want another epic game. Bring in new characters, bring in a new main character it doesn't need to be the warden but just bring back what made DAO so great.

I feel like I'm desperate here. I feel ridiculous for saying so because its a game but damn its a game i love so much. DAO is my FAVORITE game of all time i played the hell out of it and i just found out something new in my recent playthough!

What is wrong with an old school RPG? Why, why does bioware want a flashy JRPG? Don't we have enough of those. Sure DAO was not perfect but you could look past all those faults to see just how amazing the game was you cant do that in DA2 because the faults scream louder than the positives.

Bioware are on the forums, they read the feedback. I'm not saying don't take anything from DA2 there were some good things but go back and look at DAO. Don't try to make Skyrim, don't try to make KoA, don't try to make a game for casual gamers. Make an epic RPG game.

I worry though that DAO will be the only real classic and the rest of the series are going to be silly games that eventually become the joke of the gaming world like so many FPS.

DA2 wasnt bad, it wasnt good. it was average, forgettable. In a story based game the combat shouldnt be the main focous.

[Darth Death]

With the current direction BioWare is going, it's safe to say DA3 will fail many peoples expectations (if you even had one to start with). It may be a pleasant surprise if this isn't the case, however.

[Plaguemaster]

A Tale of Fail. Part 2.
Srsly, they failed miserably with DA2 sales and insist on going LESS profitable way and sticking with poor quality product.
Way to go, BioWare. After Mass Effect 3 people will not be as enthusiastic and loyal as before.

[jackofalltrades456]

I confess, I'm a little bit skeptical of D3 since their last few releases have severely decreased in quality. I'm going to be very cautious with this game since right now I'm expecting just a crappy, watered down version of D2. After the whole Mass Effect 3 mess, they really need work their ass off in D3. There is no way I'm going to fall into the hype crowd again.

Take time on the story. Don't just give us "I guess Leliana was right about her vision all along! She's the second coming of Andraste!' Or " Alistair still becomes king even if you killed him and gave Anora the crown, but she was bad so she's gone now! lol We did this in a story that most of you didn't even read!" They need to be smart. They can't afford another Retake Mass Effect.

I want an old school rpg with a great story. That's what I grew up with and that's what I love. Bioware needs to understand it's what the players want, not what the devs want. If they fail to realize this than the company will crumble.

Modifié par jackofalltrades456, 20 mars 2012 - 03:35 .

[T3HB3N]

Lolwat? It's pretty clear that DA3 will not be making the mistakes of DA2, but will just be going along the same path. Image DA2 without the recycled environments, swooping waves of enemies and any other crappy problem you can think of and you probably have DA3, except DA3 will have a better storyline and more developed gameplay features.

Don't knock it 'til you've tried it. And if you don't want to try it then don't post on the forum because nobody cares.

[Plaguemaster]

imagine DA2 without herp derp dialogues, linear storyline, arcade combat...
..oh, wait.

[Darth Death]

T3HB3N wrote...

Don't knock it 'til you've tried it.

That theory doesn't work with the current BioWare. They seem to be on a losing streak as of late. Not trying to be a hater, but very hard to maintain faith in them. 

[AkiKishi]

Darth Death wrote...

T3HB3N wrote...

Don't knock it 'til you've tried it.

That theory doesn't work with the current BioWare. They seem to be on a losing streak as of late. Not trying to be a hater, but very hard to maintain faith in them. 

Zero reason to believe anything they say since ME3 has been a litany of lies and half truths.

[T3HB3N]

Darth Death wrote...

T3HB3N wrote...

Don't knock it 'til you've tried it.

That theory doesn't work with the current BioWare. They seem to be on a losing streak as of late. Not trying to be a hater, but very hard to maintain faith in them. 

I don't blame you and you're absolutely right, but you CAN'T judge a game before you've tried it. You have no idea what's to come. You can anticipate and expect and want, but you just can't judge.

[PaulSX]

DAO's pacing is too slow (even slower than baldur's gate), but the game mechanics is better. I suspect they will revive DAO's game mechanics but mix it with DAII's faster combat. That would indeed work well imo.

[AkiKishi]

suntzuxi wrote...

DAO's pacing is too slow (even slower than baldur's gate), but the game mechanics is better. I suspect they will revive DAO's game mechanics but mix it with DAII's faster combat. That would indeed work well imo.

Wave mechanics don't work with those sorts of combat systems. Works fine in ME3 because the enemies are comparatively weak and quick to kill.

The places where you get stronger enemies in waves , it's better to just sprint through them otherwise you get bogged down in a really slow pace.

[jackofalltrades456]

BobSmith101 wrote...

suntzuxi wrote...

DAO's pacing is too slow (even slower than baldur's gate), but the game mechanics is better. I suspect they will revive DAO's game mechanics but mix it with DAII's faster combat. That would indeed work well imo.

Wave mechanics don't work with those sorts of combat systems. Works fine in ME3 because the enemies are comparatively weak and quick to kill.

The places where you get stronger enemies in waves , it's better to just sprint through them otherwise you get bogged down in a really slow pace.

I pray to the Maker that the wave system doesn't return in D3. I would rather watch Howard the Duck and Garbage pail kids on an endless loop than see the return of that.

Modifié par jackofalltrades456, 20 mars 2012 - 03:45 .

[PaulSX]

BobSmith101 wrote...

suntzuxi wrote...

DAO's pacing is too slow (even slower than baldur's gate), but the game mechanics is better. I suspect they will revive DAO's game mechanics but mix it with DAII's faster combat. That would indeed work well imo.

Wave mechanics don't work with those sorts of combat systems. Works fine in ME3 because the enemies are comparatively weak and quick to kill.

The places where you get stronger enemies in waves , it's better to just sprint through them otherwise you get bogged down in a really slow pace.

That's what I'm saying. Wave mechanics only made DAII's combat more tedious and less fun. they should completely scrap wave mechanics and make enemies more versatile in combat skills similiar to DAO but with faster combat pace.

[PsychoBlonde]

LegendaryBlade wrote...

EDIT: Overhaul Games is releasing an "Enhanced Edition" of Baldur's Gate 1 & 2 later this year (Summer 2012) with hopes to make enough money to build Baldur's Gate 3 in the true spirit of the games that preceed it. If you like DA:O I highly suggest you support them.

Making Baldur's Gate 3 in the "true spirit" of the games that preceed (sic) it would be impossible, because the true spirit of BG 1 and 2 was this huge epic story that had a huge epic CONCLUSION.  Trying to add more on to that STORY would be like J.K. Rowling writing an eighth Harry Potter book where he goes to work at his job in the Ministry of Magic.

If they want to make another game in the STYLE of the Baldur's Gate games, fine and dandy.  Could be awesome.

Anyway, I liked Origins AND DA2.  Both had flaws.  I can't say I liked one more than the other.  I don't want DA3 to necessarily be just like EITHER of them.  If you love Origins so much, just use the editor to make more of it and don't waste your money getting something new that you, for some reason, want to be the same as something old.  And maybe get your rose-tinted goggles cleaned while you're at it. 

[realguile]

Darth Death wrote...

T3HB3N wrote...

Don't knock it 'til you've tried it.

That theory doesn't work with the current BioWare. They seem to be on a losing streak as of late. Not trying to be a hater, but very hard to maintain faith in them. 

......

Sad to say but....agreed.