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[Korusus]

Reading BioWare's comments on the boards so far about DA2's being over, I'm filled with both hope and suspicion. It seems like BioWare (and Laidlaw) are both listening to what we want, but also digging their heels in.

1) Refusal to get rid of the tiresome dialogue wheel that does nothing but make shallow conversations

2) Saying "Oh we get it, you want to equip your companions", but insisting that companions absolutely have to have unique armor/clothing despite the fact that I've seen a million requests for equipping companions and 0 for unique armor/clothing for companions. It totally negates the whole point of DA:O being gritty and real (DA2 pirate chick need I say more)

3) I've heard nothing about the pace of combat, the tactical/iso cam, the tactical nature of combat...I"ve seen them stick by the failed wave mechanic (of course people who bought DLC are going to say it improved...they actually bought the DLC for this fail of a game), saying they'll just use it more intelligently in the future...

4) Insistence on sticking by the voiced protagonist, refusing to negotiate on that at all, it's one of the things Laidlaw says they've already decided, and yet it colors so many other parts of the game.

In short, I see them saying a lot of things, most of it meaningless. I really just do not think Laidlaw is going to create a worthy successor and I agree with the sentiment that BioWare really needs a win right now, and a slightly-improved DA2 won't cut it.

Modifié par Korusus, 20 mars 2012 - 04:50 .

[LegendaryBlade]

T3HB3N wrote...

Lolwat? It's pretty clear that DA3 will not be making the mistakes of DA2, but will just be going along the same path. Image DA2 without the recycled environments, swooping waves of enemies and any other crappy problem you can think of and you probably have DA3, except DA3 will have a better storyline and more developed gameplay features.

Don't knock it 'til you've tried it. And if you don't want to try it then don't post on the forum because nobody cares.

'Don't knock it until you tried it' That's how Bioware tricked us in to buying DAII. Nono, you've got to be willing to have more sense than that.

Korusus wrote...

Reading BioWare's comments on the boards so far about DA2's being over, I'm filled with both hope and suspicion. It seems like BioWare (and Laidlaw) are both listening to what we want, but also digging their heels in.

1) Refusal to get rid of the tiresome dialogue wheel that does nothing but make shallow conversations

2) Saying "Oh we get it, you want to equip your companions", but insisting that companions absolutely have to have unique armor/clothing despite the fact that I've seen a million requests for equipping companions and 0 for unique armor/clothing for companions. It totally negates the whole point of DA:O being gritty and real (DA2 pirate chick need I say more)

3) I've heard nothing about the pace of combat, the tactical/iso cam, the tactical nature of combat...I"ve seen them stick by the failed wave mechanic (of course people who bought DLC are going to say it improved...they actually bought the DLC for this fail of a game), saying they'll just use it more intelligently in the future...

4) Insistence on sticking by the voiced protagonist, refusing to negotiate on that at all, it's one of the things Laidlaw says they've already decided, and yet it colors so many other parts of the game.

In short, I see them saying a lot of things, most of it meaningless. I really just do not think Laidlaw is going to create a worthy successor and I agree with the sentiment that BioWare really needs a win right now, and a slightly-improved DA2 won't cut it.

 

I agree with this post 100%, but the thing I agree with the most is my dissatisfaction that we're going to get another voiced protagonist in the form of Hawke or Shepard, leading to Dragon Effect 3. More specifically, that this is being done with a dialog wheel. It didn't work for DA2, who do they INSIST on using it again in DA3? Fine, keep your voiced protagonist, but give is the classic conversation list.

I could probably live with not being able to equip companions in DA:O style. If Bioware wants to make JRPGS now, good for them. Just don't make the rest of it suck. Horde mode style wave combat has to go and the topdown tactical view needs to replace it on the disk.

Modifié par LegendaryBlade, 20 mars 2012 - 05:51 .

[DownyTif]

I'm done with that franchise. I'll continue to play DAO, but DA2 was deleted the second after I completed my first and only playthrough. I won't fall for DA3, that's for sure!

[Pasquale1234]

LegendaryBlade wrote...

Korusus wrote...

Reading BioWare's comments on the boards so far about DA2's being over, I'm filled with both hope and suspicion. It seems like BioWare (and Laidlaw) are both listening to what we want, but also digging their heels in.

1) Refusal to get rid of the tiresome dialogue wheel that does nothing but make shallow conversations

2) Saying "Oh we get it, you want to equip your companions", but insisting that companions absolutely have to have unique armor/clothing despite the fact that I've seen a million requests for equipping companions and 0 for unique armor/clothing for companions. It totally negates the whole point of DA:O being gritty and real (DA2 pirate chick need I say more)

3) I've heard nothing about the pace of combat, the tactical/iso cam, the tactical nature of combat...I"ve seen them stick by the failed wave mechanic (of course people who bought DLC are going to say it improved...they actually bought the DLC for this fail of a game), saying they'll just use it more intelligently in the future...

4) Insistence on sticking by the voiced protagonist, refusing to negotiate on that at all, it's one of the things Laidlaw says they've already decided, and yet it colors so many other parts of the game.

In short, I see them saying a lot of things, most of it meaningless. I really just do not think Laidlaw is going to create a worthy successor and I agree with the sentiment that BioWare really needs a win right now, and a slightly-improved DA2 won't cut it.

 

I agree with this post 100%, but the thing I agree with the most is my dissatisfaction that we're going to get another voiced protagonist in the form of Hawke or Shepard, leading to Dragon Effect 3. More specifically, that this is being done with a dialog wheel. It didn't work for DA2, who do they INSIST on using it again in DA3? Fine, keep your voiced protagonist, but give is the classic conversation list.

I could probably live with not being able to equip companions in DA:O style. If Bioware wants to make JRPGS now, good for them. Just don't make the rest of it suck. Horde mode style wave combat has to go and the topdown tactical view needs to replace it on the disk.

Pretty much this.

I've read through quite a bit of the announcement thread, and it's pretty telling.  A sort-of summary:

1) Some people expressing disappointment with the announcement of no more DA2 content.  Only a handful seemed seriously upset about it.

2) A lot of people requesting the franchise return to the DAO mechanics and overall experience.

3) Quite a few people posted critiques, reviews, specific likes/dislikes about the overall direction.

Generally, they seem firmly committed to staying with that 180 spin from DAO, and I've seen no sign of that changing, in spite of the number of requests that they reconsider.  At best, they might tweak a few of the mechanics to give back a bit of agency, but they still seem to be focused on gaining that audience that didn't show up for DA2.

[DownyTif]

Pasquale1234 wrote...
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At best, they might tweak a few of the mechanics to give back a bit of agency, but they still seem to be focused on gaining that audience that didn't show up for DA2.

Exactly.

[bEVEsthda]

LegendaryBlade wrote...

T3HB3N wrote...

Lolwat? It's pretty clear that DA3 will not be making the mistakes of DA2, but will just be going along the same path. Image DA2 without the recycled environments, swooping waves of enemies and any other crappy problem you can think of and you probably have DA3, except DA3 will have a better storyline and more developed gameplay features.

Don't knock it 'til you've tried it. And if you don't want to try it then don't post on the forum because nobody cares.

'Don't knock it until you tried it' That's how Bioware tricked us in to buying DAII. Nono, you've got to be willing to have more sense than that.

Sigh, not only that, but I would also assume it as the advice from someone who liked DA2 and now is looking forward towards a polished, "improved" DA2.
For me, it was never the execution, it was and is the concept, the direction. And I've never seen anything on this forum which says that is not true for everybody who disliked DA2.

Modifié par bEVEsthda, 20 mars 2012 - 07:24 .

[AkiKishi]

I think they should muzzle the PR guys this time around. Focus on the game and not the bull****.

[LegendaryBlade]

bEVEsthda wrote...

LegendaryBlade wrote...

T3HB3N wrote...

Lolwat? It's pretty clear that DA3 will not be making the mistakes of DA2, but will just be going along the same path. Image DA2 without the recycled environments, swooping waves of enemies and any other crappy problem you can think of and you probably have DA3, except DA3 will have a better storyline and more developed gameplay features.

Don't knock it 'til you've tried it. And if you don't want to try it then don't post on the forum because nobody cares.

'Don't knock it until you tried it' That's how Bioware tricked us in to buying DAII. Nono, you've got to be willing to have more sense than that.

Sigh, not only that, but I would also assume it as the advice from someone who liked DA2 and now is looking forward towards a polished, "improved" DA2.
For me, it was never the execution, it was and is the concept, the direction. And I've never seen anything on this forum which says that is not true for everybody who disliked DA2.

I'm seeing a lot of "We want to find the middle ground between DA:O and DA2" stuff, and if that means (combat wise) fights play out more in the style of Origins I would probably be able to overlook a bit more. But if we get the same "Press a button and something awesome happens!" combat mechanics from 2 then Dragonage is dead to me.

I can overlook being unable to really customize NPC armor. I can sure as hell overlook Hawke (Being given a main character doesn't bother me). But I cannot overlook the core gameplay mechanics. I'm sorry.

[MagmaSaiyan]

 im a fan of DA:O, yet i like DA2, by golly is that even possible?

Modifié par MagmaSaiyan, 20 mars 2012 - 09:47 .

[bEVEsthda]

MagmaSaiyan wrote...

 im a fan of DA:O, yet i like DA2, by golly is that even possible?

I suppose it is. If you're not playing DA2 as the same kind of RPG as DA:O, but rather as a "fun" combat romp. And then conveniently forget that DA2 also killed off any more games like DA:O again, forever, by judging the kind of feedback we now get in several threads from Bioware devs. 

[Morroian]

Korusus wrote...

Reading BioWare's comments on the boards so far about DA2's being over, I'm filled with both hope and suspicion. It seems like BioWare (and Laidlaw) are both listening to what we want, but also digging their heels in.

1) Refusal to get rid of the tiresome dialogue wheel that does nothing but make shallow conversations

 
Leaving aside the issue of paraphrases the actual dialogue is just as good in DA2 as in DAO and the more complex character interaction system led to more interesting relationships.

  

2) Saying "Oh we get it, you want to equip your companions", but insisting that companions absolutely have to have unique armor/clothing despite the fact that I've seen a million requests for equipping companions and 0 for unique armor/clothing for companions. It totally negates the whole point of DA:O being gritty and real (DA2 pirate chick need I say more)

  
Polls are running at 50/50 on this issue.

  

3) I've heard nothing about the pace of combat, the tactical/iso cam, the tactical nature of combat...I"ve seen them stick by the failed wave mechanic (of course people who bought DLC are going to say it improved...they actually bought the DLC for this fail of a game), saying they'll just use it more intelligently in the future...

  
They have said better encounter design and more intelligent but less uses of waves is going to be a focus and Legacy bears that out. And you realise DAO had waves as well. 

[Maria Caliban]

k177sh0t wrote...

What's the incentive to buy DA3 anyway?

I bought DA2 because of its predecessor, dunno about DA3

I'll buy DA3 because of its predecessor.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Nothing I heard about DA2 prior to its release made it clear that I would not enjoy the game. As such, I bought it, because I assumed BioWare would make a game I'd like.

With ME3, I took the opposite default position. Since nothing I heard made it clear I would enjoy the game, I did not buy it.

I'm not yet sure which position I will take with the next game.

[Tsuga C]

"In short, I see them saying a lot of things, most of it meaningless. I really just do not think Laidlaw is going to create a worthy successor and I agree with the sentiment that BioWare really needs a win right now, and a slightly-improved DA2 won't cut it."

DA:O2 or Bust!

[HiroVoid]

As usual, pay attention to what's released before release date and decide if you want to pre-order it. If you wait until after release date, and it sounds like nothing you'd want to buy, don't purchase it.

[Pasquale1234]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Nothing I heard about DA2 prior to its release made it clear that I would not enjoy the game. As such, I bought it, because I assumed BioWare would make a game I'd like.

With ME3, I took the opposite default position. Since nothing I heard made it clear I would enjoy the game, I did not buy it.

I'm not yet sure which position I will take with the next game.

I think we'll be in a pretty big boat, and probably several.

In the end, if what they build is something that I feel I could adapt my playstyle to, I might give it a try - and really hope I don't end up spending another chunk of money on something that is going to end up frustrating me.

[hoorayforicecream]

Filament wrote...

bEVEsthda wrote...

MagmaSaiyan wrote...

 im a fan of DA:O, yet i like DA2, by golly is that even possible?

I suppose it is. If you're not playing DA2 as the same kind of RPG as DA:O, but rather as a "fun" combat romp.

I play DA2 the same as I played DAO, and neither as just a "fun combat romp."

Hey, me too!

[Demx]

Maria Caliban wrote...

k177sh0t wrote...

What's the incentive to buy DA3 anyway?

I bought DA2 because of its predecessor, dunno about DA3

I'll buy DA3 because of its predecessor.

DA3 has two predecessors, you are going to have to be more specific.

[Davillo]

omg is that gonna be like a BG remake ? with new graphics and crap ? cant wait.

[Eragondragonrider]

I have only one thing to say NO DRAGON OF WARS 3 please.

[LegendaryBlade]

Davillo wrote...

omg is that gonna be like a BG remake ? with new graphics and crap ? cant wait.

Yup, they're rebuilding the graphics and physics engine but keeping the story and game mechanics in tact. Comes out Summer 2012, but the games are sold seperat.

[tariq071]

If there is any serious involvement from any of characters that were in DA II (companions and specially MC) i ain't buying it.

So please can we have some characters with personality and no temper tantrums?

It was painful enough for me to watch them in one playthrough that i was able to swallow.

Thanks

Modifié par tariq071, 20 mars 2012 - 11:48 .

[Ex-Paladin]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Filament wrote...

bEVEsthda wrote...

MagmaSaiyan wrote...

 im a fan of DA:O, yet i like DA2, by golly is that even possible?

I suppose it is. If you're not playing DA2 as the same kind of RPG as DA:O, but rather as a "fun" combat romp.

I play DA2 the same as I played DAO, and neither as just a "fun combat romp."

Hey, me too!

*Gasp!* why me too! who knew we existed!

[bEVEsthda]

Ex-Paladin wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Filament wrote...

bEVEsthda wrote...

MagmaSaiyan wrote...

 im a fan of DA:O, yet i like DA2, by golly is that even possible?

I suppose it is. If you're not playing DA2 as the same kind of RPG as DA:O, but rather as a "fun" combat romp.

I play DA2 the same as I played DAO, and neither as just a "fun combat romp."

Hey, me too!

*Gasp!* why me too! who knew we existed!

 Well, Bioware seem to have known you existed. They made DA2 just for you.