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[tariq071]

Merkar wrote...

LegendaryBlade wrote...

Mike Laidlaw said in an interview with Gamespot that a return to the RPG style of Dragon Age: Origins is unlikely, proclaiming "The big key is to not adjust 180 degrees again, because we've done this."
- http://www.gamespot....oughts-6305575/  There's a few other snippits in there that are worth reading.

Dragonage III is going to be a failure for just this reason(...)

Well, if they improve the artstyle, have a great story, make the setting more varied and detailed, tweak the quicker combat to a more realistic context, allow DAO's companion customization (while preserving the cosplay thing) and drop the JRPG influence, DA3 would be what DA2 should've been (IMO).

But yeah, I'll definitely be careful before commiting to a purchase.

But that would be 180 degrees adjustment then..

Modifié par tariq071, 22 mars 2012 - 06:20 .

[johook213]

The only two complaints I could really have about DAII would be the obvious recycling of environments.... as it did feel like I visited the same cave/area about a dozen times. It wasn't a game breaker for me thou. I still loved DAII. The other odd thing I noticed was finding random objects and magically knowing who to take them to.

Other than those two minor things, I absolutely loved Dragon Age II. The combat was much much improved. The talent trees were better. I liked how companion armor was handled... because in DA:O i never even changed Morrigan or Wynne's robe, because they didn't seem right in anything else.

I don't see how people say the characters are unlikeable and shallow either. I loved them, especially Aveline, Varric and Isabela. Fenris, Merril and my sibling would have to come in second. Anders and Sebastian I liked the least, but that's because Sebastian was a bit boring and I didn't agree with anything Ander's was doing. >.>;

I don't understand why people nit-pick on this game so much. Maybe it's because I'm such a huge Final Fantasy fan (been playing since FF4 came to the US in 1992). Final Fantasy has drastically changed with each and every installment, so maybe that's why I didn't find the changes from DA:O to DAII so jarring.

Loved the new artwork too. Flemeth and the Qunari looked amazing. The new elf design was a move in the right direction... Fenris and Merril look amazing, and I don't think Zevran even looks bad, just different. Some elves looked horrible but I don't think that was due to the new design, it just seemed like some NPCs had less time/polish spent on them.

I don't want to go backwards. I don't mind taking some of the best aspects of DA:O and putting them in DA3, but don't make DA:O part 2.... please. And while on that subject please let the Warden rest. His story is over. He was a famous hero, he saved the world from the Blight, then he kind of disappeared off the radar. That's fine with me. I can use my imagination if need be. =D

I don't understand the complaints on DA2's story either. It was not some epic save the world from some grand evil but that's OK. Some people say the 3 acts were disjointed and didn't connect. But I look at it this way. We were not telling the story of The Deep Roads Expidition, or the Qunari invasion, nor was it the tale of the Templar/Mage war. It was the story of HAWKE. It was his rise to power. Several UNRELATED events in Hawke's life that made him "the Champion of Kirkwall". I don't know why people can't understand the concept. XD

Anyways, I loved DA:O and I also loved DAII. Keep them coming Bioware! Good job! ^^

[Thor Rand Al]

PinkShoes wrote...

I will say this, i am very very excited and very very very worried. I feel like pleading to Bioware, please don't make DA3 like DA2! DA2 wasn't a terrible game don't get me wrong but god it was just so different from DAO in all the wrong ways, I'm replaying DAO now and I'm just thinking "how could these two games even be related?" DA2 wasn't a sequel it was a whole new game.

Not to put words in the devs mouths but I don't think DA2 was suppose to be a sequeal, I think everyone just assumed it was going to be and that was the problem.  They have said there will be new protag's each game with their own stories.  Doesn't mean that it's a sequeal.  Thedas is a big ass world with different countries. 
Each country has it's own problems going on, it's own histories to uncover and that's what I think the Devs are trying to show us. 

People complain when old fans say they wanted DAO2 well is that a bad thing? DAO was an epic game and we want another epic game. Bring in new characters, bring in a new main character it doesn't need to be the warden but just bring back what made DAO so great.

And is it a bad thing for fans of DA2 to say they enjoyed DA2 either just as much or better then DAO?  Again the dev's never meant for DA2 to be DAO2, if they did then they would of named it DAO2.  I for one was glad to see a change, honestly I played DAO for about a yr and one of the reason's I played as long as I did was because of mods. And the romances where better, you got to talk to your companions more n not just quest related stuff which DA2 did lack.  The Deeproads, the Fade, the elven/werewolf quests were getting old.  I can't even get back into the game partly because of those and that in my Warden is about as dull boring and plain as a cucumber with no salt lol.  Anyways I'm glad to see the change that DA2 did.  Yes the reapeatable areas are boring but so where the major quests in DAO.  I've been playing DA2 just as long as I did Origins and I still enjoy playing DA2 even now.  I can relate better to 2 then I did with Origins.  Yes there was more to do and more of a story but that doesn't make up for what I've seen as far as the changes in 2.

I feel like I'm desperate here. I feel ridiculous for saying so because its a game but damn its a game i love so much. DAO is my FAVORITE game of all time i played the hell out of it and i just found out something new in my recent playthough!

What is wrong with an old school RPG? Why, why does bioware want a flashy JRPG? Don't we have enough of those. Sure DAO was not perfect but you could look past all those faults to see just how amazing the game was you cant do that in DA2 because the faults scream louder than the positives.

Bioware are on the forums, they read the feedback. I'm not saying don't take anything from DA2 there were some good things but go back and look at DAO. Don't try to make Skyrim, don't try to make KoA, don't try to make a game for casual gamers. Make an epic RPG game.

I worry though that DAO will be the only real classic and the rest of the series are going to be silly games that eventually become the joke of the gaming world like so many FPS.

DA2 wasnt bad, it wasnt good. it was average, forgettable. In a story based game the combat shouldnt be the main focous.

I love the direction DA2 went and look forward to seeing more of it in the next game.  Sorry, I know that offends some die-hard DAO fans but I'm a fan of both just DA2 more then Origins because I see what the devs are doing. When baldur's gate and those came out I played them and enjoyed them but the times change, gaming is changing and I for one am ready for the change, especially after seeing what DA2 has to offer.  If I want to play old school games then I'll just throw my games on my gamecube or playstation n play them.  Now I want something new. I'm ready for something new and DA2 just showed me how much I want that. 

[johook213]

Oh, and I also would like to add that I enjoyed a voiced protagonist and the dialogue wheel.

[Ghidorah14]

IMO, BioWare are just making excuses to do whatever dumb idea they want.

[LegendaryBlade]

tariq071 wrote...

Merkar wrote...

LegendaryBlade wrote...

Mike Laidlaw said in an interview with Gamespot that a return to the RPG style of Dragon Age: Origins is unlikely, proclaiming "The big key is to not adjust 180 degrees again, because we've done this."
- http://www.gamespot....oughts-6305575/  There's a few other snippits in there that are worth reading.

Dragonage III is going to be a failure for just this reason(...)

Well, if they improve the artstyle, have a great story, make the setting more varied and detailed, tweak the quicker combat to a more realistic context, allow DAO's companion customization (while preserving the cosplay thing) and drop the JRPG influence, DA3 would be what DA2 should've been (IMO).

But yeah, I'll definitely be careful before commiting to a purchase.

But that would be 180 degrees adjustment then..

Quoted for agreement

[FieryDove]

Ghidorah14 wrote...

IMO, BioWare are just making excuses to do whatever dumb idea they want.

That is not constructive in the least!

I know they will make the best game they are able too. They always have and always will even if I disagree with some or many changes.

Rant-

What I don't believe is EA had any idea when buying a Dev Studio to fill the missing RPG niche they said they needed really knew what they were getting into. You just can't throw out yearly/bi-yearly RPG's and expect them to be good. Not without massive resources backing it. These games are not sports/sims games!

/end rant

[kingtigernz]

FieryDove wrote...

Ghidorah14 wrote...

IMO, BioWare are just making excuses to do whatever dumb idea they want.

That is not constructive in the least!

I know they will make the best game they are able too. They always have and always will even if I disagree with some or many changes.

Someone is optimistic.

Modifié par kingtigernz, 23 mars 2012 - 04:18 .

[Thor Rand Al]

kingtigernz wrote...

FieryDove wrote...

Ghidorah14 wrote...

IMO, BioWare are just making excuses to do whatever dumb idea they want.

That is not constructive in the least!

I know they will make the best game they are able too. They always have and always will even if I disagree with some or many changes.

Someone is optimistic.

Hey I'm with FieryDove and I agree.  Yes I'm still very bitter about no more DLC for Hawke, (sorry Bioware but Hawke is my fav protag so far and by not having anymore DLC for DA2 I feel cheated) but I will get over it.  I know Bioware has an excellent history of putting out excellent games, and I know they'll continue doing it.  So yes I agree and I know Bioware will be making another DA game thats going to be just as fun and exciting and emotional. 

[Darji]

LegendaryBlade wrote...

So lets get on with the massive topic edit, I didn't expect this thread to expand like it did but if it's going to be discussed, it needs an OP that really opens up discussion.

Mike Laidlaw said in an interview with Gamespot that a return to the RPG style of Dragon Age: Origins is unlikely, proclaiming "The big key is to not adjust 180 degrees again, because we've done this."
- http://www.gamespot....oughts-6305575/  There's a few other snippits in there that are worth reading.

Dragonage III is going to be a failure for just this reason, at very least in my opinion. We already know that Dragonage II did not reach the critical acclaim of it's predeccessor, sitting a full nine points lower than it on Metacritic (91 vs 82), which is up from 79 that it was a bit earlier this year. It's no secret that a lot of Origins fans were dissapointed in DA2.

More specificaly, fans of DA:O who are hoping that we will get the proper sequel we wanted in DA3 are more than likely going to be sorely dissapointed. The idea that "DA3 will be what DA2 should of been" is already spreading, and we hardly have any other proof beyond the vague promises that that's going to be the case. I don't have the article link here with me(I will find it later), but in a later article to the one I posted Bioware said that RPGs in that older style are less relevant on the market(despite reception showing the opposite). DA3 will be more of what DA2 was, and that's fine for people who enjoy DAs(Regardless of how they felt about DA:O)

But it should go without saying that if you love DA:O and hate DA2, you will hate DA3 unless steps are taken by the developing staff to greatly improve it over 2.

EDIT: Overhaul Games is releasing an "Enhanced Edition" of Baldur's Gate 1 & 2 later this year (Summer 2012) with hopes to make enough money to build Baldur's Gate 3 in the true spirit of the games that preceed it. If you like DA:O I highly suggest you support them.

Actually and I cant believe I am saying this. I kind of have hope again after the disscussion in the news forum. There are understanding people and also people really showed how much they actaully want a game similar to origins.

Now we really should wait until they give a statement what they really want to do. Lets wait for all the specific threads to be opend and how they will aproach them.   There were really nice guys in this news thread and if Mark Darrah  will understand that people did not like DA2 for many many reasons and really listen and discuss it with their fans. It should be fine.

They really understand that they cant **** this up anymore and that they need to communicate with the fans. So lets give them the time they need. Atleast for now.

[Realmzmaster]

FieryDove wrote...

Ghidorah14 wrote...

IMO, BioWare are just making excuses to do whatever dumb idea they want.

That is not constructive in the least!

I know they will make the best game they are able too. They always have and always will even if I disagree with some or many changes.

Rant-

What I don't believe is EA had any idea when buying a Dev Studio to fill the missing RPG niche they said they needed really knew what they were getting into. You just can't throw out yearly/bi-yearly RPG's and expect them to be good. Not without massive resources backing it. These games are not sports/sims games!

/end rant

EA knew exactly what it was buying. You do not spend $860 million dollars without knowing. Not only that the good doctors are EA  officiers.  The bosses at EA depend on the development team to tell them how long it will take. if the development team tells them two years then that is what they are going to be held to. EA also produces a lot more than just sport sims.

Everyone wants to blame EA. Just remember Bioware is EA

[Relshar]

Yes i see the news about Baldurs Gate remakes and am hopeful for these games. As for DA:3 I wont be buying it unless I can play a demo.

No more pre-orders in blind faith anymore and I will also wait till people get to the end of the game before buying so I can know if the ending sucks like it does in ME3.

If DA:3 plays exactly like DA:2 then no I wont be buying.

[BanksHector]

DA:3 would be a preorder buy from me. DA:2 had it faults, but I still really enjoyed the game. I just hope the ending to it will be better then ME3 and DA:2 if not then I might lose my blind faith.

[Gotholhorakh]

Darji wrote...
Actually and I cant believe I am saying this. I kind of have hope again after the disscussion in the news forum. There are understanding people and also people really showed how much they actaully want a game similar to origins.

Now we really should wait until they give a statement what they really want to do. Lets wait for all the specific threads to be opend and how they will aproach them.   There were really nice guys in this news thread and if Mark Darrah  will understand that people did not like DA2 for many many reasons and really listen and discuss it with their fans. It should be fine.

They really understand that they cant **** this up anymore and that they need to communicate with the fans. So lets give them the time they need. Atleast for now.

You have hope, let's wait, they realise they cant **** it up any more and need to communicate with the fans?

All part of a laudible approach, and one I have agreed with (almost word perfect) before now - but how do you have the stamina to keep this hope up even now? I salute you.

I don't share your hope/faith - because it's likely the pattern won't change. BioWare will say it is "listening" periodically and there will be "dialogue" which amounts to forum posts and some nods to what the people who loved DA2 want.

A laundry list of what the people who loved DA2 could admit were problems will be arrived at, and a subset of that will get addressed. The elephant in the room, and the part of the community shouting and waving and trying to draw attention to it, will be ignored.

Bad Decisions will get clung to like driftwood in a maelstrom by management whose reputations rest on them, which is standard practice these days by the way, and the project will stay the course of the design rationale as it is, in the hope that the embarrassing mistake will come good.

Positive stuff that does get said to the community is then reverted by press releases which say people have unreasonable intolerance to change in one breath, then call DA2 a "180 degree" change in another, and basically saying "none of this stuff is getting fixed, we're not going back to that kind of gameplay, deal with it".

On that note I have only once ever heard a company representative audacious enough to criticise their own
customers, who are its bread and butter, for the crime of disliking a "180 degree" change(!) before.

I know I have made this reference before, but I am convinced DA2 is New Coke. BioWare will either have the sense to ditch new coke for DA3, or they won't. They have said they won't, but hopefully that isn't set in stone.




PS: Please forgive the horrible English in this post, in my defence I am a total moron^w^w^w^wdidnt sleep last night.

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 23 mars 2012 - 11:15 .

[Darji]

Gotholhorakh wrote...

Darji wrote...
Actually and I cant believe I am saying this. I kind of have hope again after the disscussion in the news forum. There are understanding people and also people really showed how much they actaully want a game similar to origins.

Now we really should wait until they give a statement what they really want to do. Lets wait for all the specific threads to be opend and how they will aproach them.   There were really nice guys in this news thread and if Mark Darrah  will understand that people did not like DA2 for many many reasons and really listen and discuss it with their fans. It should be fine.

They really understand that they cant **** this up anymore and that they need to communicate with the fans. So lets give them the time they need. Atleast for now.

You have hope, let's wait, they realise they cant **** it up any more and need to communicate with the fans?

All part of a laudible approach, and one I have agreed with (almost word perfect) before now - but how do you have the stamina to keep this hope up even now? I salute you.

I don't share your hope/faith - because it's likely the pattern won't change. BioWare will say it is "listening" periodically and there will be "dialogue" which amounts to forum posts and some nods to what the people who loved DA2 want.

A laundry list of what the people who loved DA2 could admit were problems will be arrived at, and a subset of that will get addressed. The elephant in the room, and the part of the community shouting and waving and trying to draw attention to it, will be ignored.

Bad Decisions will get clung to like driftwood in a maelstrom by management whose reputations rest on them, which is standard practice these days by the way, and the project will stay the course of the design rationale as it is, in the hope that the embarrassing mistake will come good.

Nothing changes, and everything positive that does get said is then reverted by press releases which say people have unreasonable intolerance to change in one breath, then call DA2 a "180 degree" change in another, and basically saying "none of this stuff is getting fixed, we're not going back to that kind of gameplay, deal with it".

On that note I have only once ever heard a company representative audacious enough to criticise their own
customers, who are its bread and butter, for the crime of disliking a "180 degree" change(!) before.

I know I have made this reference before, but I am convinced DA2 is New Coke. BioWare will either have the sense to ditch new coke for DA3, or they won't. They have said they won't, but hopefully that isn't set in stone.

Oh I dont believe in these PR things or interviews they did. And trust me after the DA2 demo and ME2 I hated everything Bioware did and I still do.  But after the thread in the news section where they actually tried to communicate, I have a shimmer of hope again.  Oh and aslong they are telling "us" honestly what way DA will go and when they do that early I am totally fine with it. I maybe not support them or buy the game but  what made upset the most over the time were all these blatant lies they did after and even before the DA2 demo and how they reacted with fanfeedback overall. Especially after the Demo.

But I really get the feeling that they want to listen. at least some of them. And while Mark Drrah still cant let lose of DA2 becasue he worked hard and hours and hours of it. I think they begin to understand little by little. I am just saying lets wait and see atleast what they will do until the DA3 announcement and after they opend the specific threads regarding DA3. I am really willing to give my suggestions  one last time. I am willing not to completly trust them but atleast trust them a little as long they will constantly communicate with us.

[Aran Linvail]

Gotholhorakh wrote...

You have hope, let's wait, they realise they cant **** it up any more and need to communicate with the fans?

All part of a laudible approach, and one I have agreed with (almost word perfect) before now - but how do you have the stamina to keep this hope up even now? I salute you.

I don't share your hope/faith - because it's likely the pattern won't change. BioWare will say it is "listening" periodically and there will be "dialogue" which amounts to forum posts and some nods to what the people who loved DA2 want.

A laundry list of what the people who loved DA2 could admit were problems will be arrived at, and a subset of that will get addressed. The elephant in the room, and the part of the community shouting and waving and trying to draw attention to it, will be ignored.

Bad Decisions will get clung to like driftwood in a maelstrom by management whose reputations rest on them, which is standard practice these days by the way, and the project will stay the course of the design rationale as it is, in the hope that the embarrassing mistake will come good.

Positive stuff that does get said to the community is then reverted by press releases which say people have unreasonable intolerance to change in one breath, then call DA2 a "180 degree" change in another, and basically saying "none of this stuff is getting fixed, we're not going back to that kind of gameplay, deal with it".

On that note I have only once ever heard a company representative audacious enough to criticise their own customers, who are its bread and butter, for the crime of disliking a "180 degree" change(!) before.

I know I have made this reference before, but I am convinced DA2 is New Coke. BioWare will either have the sense to ditch new coke for DA3, or they won't. They have said they won't, but hopefully that isn't set in stone.

100% This ^

Modifié par Baldurs Gate Fanboy, 23 mars 2012 - 10:42 .

[Corto81]

LegendaryBlade wrote...

Mike Laidlaw said in an interview with Gamespot that a return to the RPG style of Dragon Age: Origins is unlikely, proclaiming "The big key is to not adjust 180 degrees again, because we've done this."
- http://www.gamespot....oughts-6305575/  There's a few other snippits in there that are worth reading.

Companies are just dumb sometimes, CEOs who don't understand their market, managers who don't love it or to present their ideas to the bosses.
I'm 100% certain that most of the team that built DA:Origins knows that DA2 is just a mediocre game, unworthy of being mentioned with past Bioware products.

Hence, I'm not speaking out against Mike Laidlaw personally, because he might be saying what he has to because of the bosses, but seriously, HOW DOES THAT QUOTE MAKE SENSE BIOWARE?


"We made a hugely successful game, which got universal critical acclaim, fans loved it and it sold like a motherf*****.
Then we made a 180 degree turn and made a sequel that was, ultimately, a flop. And a bad game.
(Your customers aren't wrong, your sales numbers aren't wrong. It was a flop.
Otherwise we would still be seeing DLCs popping out)
But are we going to make another 180 degree turn and go back to the methods we were using when we built a massively successful game?
Hell no, we're sticking with the crappy method and trying to refine it."

That just makes zero sense.

[AkiKishi]

Corto81 wrote...

LegendaryBlade wrote...

Mike Laidlaw said in an interview with Gamespot that a return to the RPG style of Dragon Age: Origins is unlikely, proclaiming "The big key is to not adjust 180 degrees again, because we've done this."
- http://www.gamespot....oughts-6305575/  There's a few other snippits in there that are worth reading.

Companies are just dumb sometimes, CEOs who don't understand their market, managers who don't love it or to present their ideas to the bosses.
I'm 100% certain that most of the team that built DA:Origins knows that DA2 is just a mediocre game, unworthy of being mentioned with past Bioware products.

Hence, I'm not speaking out against Mike Laidlaw personally, because he might be saying what he has to because of the bosses, but seriously, HOW DOES THAT QUOTE MAKE SENSE BIOWARE?


"We made a hugely successful game, which got universal critical acclaim, fans loved it and it sold like a motherf*****.
Then we made a 180 degree turn and made a sequel that was, ultimately, a flop. And a bad game.
(Your customers aren't wrong, your sales numbers aren't wrong. It was a flop.
Otherwise we would still be seeing DLCs popping out)
But are we going to make another 180 degree turn and go back to the methods we were using when we built a massively successful game?
Hell no, we're sticking with the crappy method and trying to refine it."

That just makes zero sense.

Outside of the FF's where voicing has very little real impact on how the games play out (pre voice you could name the protagonist but thats about it). All the big selling RPGs have been silent protagonists. Witcher2 may bridge that gap, but it's one I've never played.

If you want to do cinematic then you need to go the whole way like Deus Ex:HR ,while it's not strictly what I would call an RPG except in the broad sense, it was well worth the trade off to watch that unfold on screen and I still had plenty of places where I could choose the direction the script took.

[Lux]

tariq071 wrote...

Merkar wrote...

LegendaryBlade wrote...

Mike Laidlaw said in an interview with Gamespot that a return to the RPG style of Dragon Age: Origins is unlikely, proclaiming "The big key is to not adjust 180 degrees again, because we've done this."
- http://www.gamespot....oughts-6305575/  There's a few other snippits in there that are worth reading.

Dragonage III is going to be a failure for just this reason(...)

Well, if they improve the artstyle, have a great story, make the setting more varied and detailed, tweak the quicker combat to a more realistic context, allow DAO's companion customization (while preserving the cosplay thing) and drop the JRPG influence, DA3 would be what DA2 should've been (IMO).

But yeah, I'll definitely be careful before commiting to a purchase.

But that would be 180 degrees adjustment then..

I call it "tweaks". 

[bEVEsthda]

LegendaryBlade wrote...

Mike Laidlaw said in an interview with Gamespot that a return to the RPG style of Dragon Age: Origins is unlikely, proclaiming "The big key is to not adjust 180 degrees again, because we've done this."
- http://www.gamespot....oughts-6305575/  There's a few other snippits in there that are worth reading.

I originally only read your quote. Now is the first time I've bothered to read the entire interview.

And I have to say it was colossally depressing. He is basically just happy and content about everything they made wrong in DA2 and everything that broke that game.  Staggering.

And nothing he says hints in any way whatsoever that they intend to do DA3 different than DA2.  Puzzling.

Then there is this really weird passage where he mentions 'Jade Empire'.
 I had to read that several times, before I could stop reading something into that, which made me very angry. Eventually I see that it may not mean what I first saw. ...Still...

Then there is this passage:
'You have to take a read of what the fans are saying, what reviews are saying, and what the non-fans are saying. Are there people out there who are saying, "I could not play Origins, but love Dragon Age II" or "I couldn't play Origins and this is more of the same."'

Those two opinions what Mike read on forums?  Really?  It can probably be attributed to some mandatory, irrational EA-PR-speak, I guess. But it certainly doesn't work as PR-speak. Rather the absolute opposite. What makes me really uncomfortable with that statement,  is that regardless of any PR-training and rules, somebody who is really clear about DA:O and DA2 and how the market responded to them, would NEVER have phrased it like that.  !!

Modifié par bEVEsthda, 23 mars 2012 - 06:49 .

[Huntress]

LegendaryBlade wrote...

So lets get on with the massive topic edit, I didn't expect this thread to expand like it did but if it's going to be discussed, it needs an OP that really opens up discussion.

Mike Laidlaw said in an interview with Gamespot that a return to the RPG style of Dragon Age: Origins is unlikely, proclaiming "The big key is to not adjust 180 degrees again, because we've done this."
- http://www.gamespot....oughts-6305575/  There's a few other snippits in there that are worth reading.

Dragonage III is going to be a failure for just this reason, at very least in my opinion. We already know that Dragonage II did not reach the critical acclaim of it's predeccessor, sitting a full nine points lower than it on Metacritic (91 vs 82), which is up from 79 that it was a bit earlier this year. It's no secret that a lot of Origins fans were dissapointed in DA2.

More specificaly, fans of DA:O who are hoping that we will get the proper sequel we wanted in DA3 are more than likely going to be sorely dissapointed. The idea that "DA3 will be what DA2 should of been" is already spreading, and we hardly have any other proof beyond the vague promises that that's going to be the case. I don't have the article link here with me(I will find it later), but in a later article to the one I posted Bioware said that RPGs in that older style are less relevant on the market(despite reception showing the opposite). DA3 will be more of what DA2 was, and that's fine for people who enjoy DAs(Regardless of how they felt about DA:O)

But it should go without saying that if you love DA:O and hate DA2, you will hate DA3 unless steps are taken by the developing staff to greatly improve it over 2.

EDIT: Overhaul Games is releasing an "Enhanced Edition" of Baldur's Gate 1 & 2 later this year (Summer 2012) with hopes to make enough money to build Baldur's Gate 3 in the true spirit of the games that preceed it. If you like DA:O I highly suggest you support them.

1) you are linking a year old review.. I know that things changes every day so am gonna ignore that what was said so long ago.
2) some were dissapointed with Da2, some were dissapointed with DAO, some were dissapointed with Skyrim should I continue? nah here is a hint: everyone is different while some didn't like da2, others did like da2! the same can be said for the others games I have mention.
3) You can tell me how good or bad DA3 is goign to be? because.. da3 is probably still a thought.. can you read minds? or are you more confortable reading coffee cup?
4) Ok you convince me I'll buy Baldurs gate 1 &2 because that will give some capital to make a better DA3.

[Gotholhorakh]

bEVEsthda wrote...

LegendaryBlade wrote...

Mike Laidlaw said in an interview with Gamespot that a return to the RPG style of Dragon Age: Origins is unlikely, proclaiming "The big key is to not adjust 180 degrees again, because we've done this."
- http://www.gamespot....oughts-6305575/  There's a few other snippits in there that are worth reading.

I originally only read your quote. Now is the first time I've bothered to read the entire interview.

And I have to say it was colossally depressing. He is basically just happy and content about everything they made wrong in DA2 and everything that broke that game.  Staggering.

And nothing he says hints in any way whatsoever that they intend to do DA3 different than DA2.  Puzzling.

Then there is this really weird passage where he mentions 'Jade Empire'.
 I had to read that several times, before I could stop reading something into that, which made me very angry. Eventually I see that it may not mean what I first saw. ...Still...

Then there is this passage:
'You have to take a read of what the fans are saying, what reviews are saying, and what the non-fans are saying. Are there people out there who are saying, "I could not play Origins, but love Dragon Age II" or "I couldn't play Origins and this is more of the same."'

Those two opinions what Mike read on forums?  Really?  It can probably be attributed to some mandatory, irrational EA-PR-speak, I guess. But it certainly doesn't work as PR-speak. Rather the absolute opposite. What makes me really uncomfortable with that statement,  is that regardless of any PR-training and rules, somebody who is really clear about DA:O and DA2 and how the market responded to them, would NEVER have phrased it like that.  !!

For as long as you can cling to an embarrassing mistake as if it's a success, part of of a grand plan, for all of that time you don't have to admit it is broken.

It may be as simple as that. *shrug* I've seen businesses/parts of businesses behave like that before. It's not that people don't know it, it's that if nobody says it, it's like it isn't there and it doesn't have to be dealt with.

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 23 mars 2012 - 07:43 .

[bEVEsthda]

Huntress wrote...
1) you are linking a year old review.. I know that things changes every day so am gonna ignore that what was said so long ago.

Owh, Thank Gawd!     I didn't read (or understand) the year date. I thought it was brand new.
- Whooozz, what a relief!   Yea, I thought is sounded just like the early interview, lol, and it was, lol. Silly me.
 
(I don't have to take all these pills then ,  -Wow. That's so cool.)

[Meglort]

Huntress wrote...

LegendaryBlade wrote...

So lets get on with the massive topic edit, I didn't expect this thread to expand like it did but if it's going to be discussed, it needs an OP that really opens up discussion.

Mike Laidlaw said in an interview with Gamespot that a return to the RPG style of Dragon Age: Origins is unlikely, proclaiming "The big key is to not adjust 180 degrees again, because we've done this."
- http://www.gamespot....oughts-6305575/  There's a few other snippits in there that are worth reading.

Dragonage III is going to be a failure for just this reason, at very least in my opinion. We already know that Dragonage II did not reach the critical acclaim of it's predeccessor, sitting a full nine points lower than it on Metacritic (91 vs 82), which is up from 79 that it was a bit earlier this year. It's no secret that a lot of Origins fans were dissapointed in DA2.

More specificaly, fans of DA:O who are hoping that we will get the proper sequel we wanted in DA3 are more than likely going to be sorely dissapointed. The idea that "DA3 will be what DA2 should of been" is already spreading, and we hardly have any other proof beyond the vague promises that that's going to be the case. I don't have the article link here with me(I will find it later), but in a later article to the one I posted Bioware said that RPGs in that older style are less relevant on the market(despite reception showing the opposite). DA3 will be more of what DA2 was, and that's fine for people who enjoy DAs(Regardless of how they felt about DA:O)

But it should go without saying that if you love DA:O and hate DA2, you will hate DA3 unless steps are taken by the developing staff to greatly improve it over 2.

EDIT: Overhaul Games is releasing an "Enhanced Edition" of Baldur's Gate 1 & 2 later this year (Summer 2012) with hopes to make enough money to build Baldur's Gate 3 in the true spirit of the games that preceed it. If you like DA:O I highly suggest you support them.

1) you are linking a year old review.. I know that things changes every day so am gonna ignore that what was said so long ago.
2) some were dissapointed with Da2, some were dissapointed with DAO, some were dissapointed with Skyrim should I continue? nah here is a hint: everyone is different while some didn't like da2, others did like da2! the same can be said for the others games I have mention.
3) You can tell me how good or bad DA3 is goign to be? because.. da3 is probably still a thought.. can you read minds? or are you more confortable reading coffee cup?
4) Ok you convince me I'll buy Baldurs gate 1 &2 because that will give some capital to make a better DA3.

Likely just reading this forum, where these sentiments where more or less confirmed by the same individual and his boss only a few days ago...several times when pressed.

The only hope for a DAO style game, as opposed to another DOA one is that the DAO code base is licensed to a third party to do something with such as Bethesda did with F3 to produce FNV.

This would free up BioWare to focus on Dragon Effect 3 and remove most of the critics from the BSN potentially.

[HanErlik]

Meglort wrote...

The only hope for a DAO style game, as opposed to another DOA one is that the DAO code base is licensed to a third party to do something with such as Bethesda did with F3 to produce FNV.

This would free up BioWare to focus on Dragon Effect 3 and remove most of the critics from the BSN potentially.

I couldn't agree more.

Only a true offspring of Pollyanna can expect a real RPG from Bioware.