Adanu wrote...
I'm not saying for more of the same. I'm asking for people to keep an open mind and give things a chance before they pan it if something is different.
I know, it's a hard concept to get.
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easygame88 wrote...
Adanu wrote...
I'm not saying for more of the same. I'm asking for people to keep an open mind and give things a chance before they pan it if something is different.
I know, it's a hard concept to get.
Oh gee thanks for clearing that up for me.
People did give it a chance. People bought and played DA2 and many people did not like it. Not simply because it was different. It was just bad.
Adanu wrote...
Yrkoon wrote...
The "innovations" argument, is it? Sales figures don't support your hypothesis. Maybe because true art is timeless, and will sell regardless of the so-called "changing times".Ariella wrote...
It isn't Bioware that's on a losing streak but the people who can't change with the times,
But perhaps we should take this theory of yours to CEOs of franchises who don't do 180s with their sequels. Lets go rub Skyrim in Tod Howard's face and try to convince him that its humongous financial success was just an illusion; that fans have changed; that the same-old, same-old doesn't cut it anymore. Or go tell the producers of COD to change with the times since their series of games hasn't changed one bit, even though their games continue to enjoy increasing sales.
Enough of this nonsense. DA:O worked. It was a winning formula. Bioware then changed that formula, and the result was a dramatic drop in sales for the sequel. Lets connect the dots now, instead of posting social theory.
the COD devs DID change with the times. It was called Medal of Honor for a while.
Opinions backed by sales figures are pretty difficult to dismiss, unless one is in complete denial.Adanu wrote...
Then that is your opinion.
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Ponendus wrote...
They never fooled me. I was very skeptical about DA2 before it's release and had a bad feeling about it. I resigned myself to the fact that I would just enjoy it for the lore and some of the characters. Which I did.
xnode wrote...
Reading on in this thread, as far as what killed DA2 for me was alot of things, However most of those I have read and known to play the dlc's for DA2 made the game what DA2 should have been on it's own merit. Alot of things fixed, nice variances in enviorments etc... I have no doubt they will change things a bit more in DA3, but I understand the comment many don't like about how they won't 180 back to DAO.
If they keep to the ideas that made the DLC alot better, add customization and a few other things I could easily see enjoying DA3. In the end I only wish for land ownership, I think it's time for our RPG's to be bigger !well ok, at least feel like you are working toward something more in the game
Lord Gremlin wrote...
Well, I can tell you now that DA3 will be like DA2 but without reused areas and waves of spawning enemies. So it will be overall mediocre-to-garbage, but no longer offensively bad.
If it will be successful.. Well, it'll be the time to reinforce umbrellas due to flying pigs invasion.
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Modifié par Ukki, 25 mars 2012 - 01:27 .
PinkShoes wrote...
I will say this, i am very very excited and very very very worried. I feel like pleading to Bioware, please don't make DA3 like DA2! DA2 wasn't a terrible game don't get me wrong but god it was just so different from DAO in all the wrong ways, I'm replaying DAO now and I'm just thinking "how could these two games even be related?" DA2 wasn't a sequel it was a whole new game.
People complain when old fans say they wanted DAO2 well is that a bad thing? DAO was an epic game and we want another epic game. Bring in new characters, bring in a new main character it doesn't need to be the warden but just bring back what made DAO so great.
I feel like I'm desperate here. I feel ridiculous for saying so because its a game but damn its a game i love so much. DAO is my FAVORITE game of all time i played the hell out of it and i just found out something new in my recent playthough!
What is wrong with an old school RPG? Why, why does bioware want a flashy JRPG? Don't we have enough of those. Sure DAO was not perfect but you could look past all those faults to see just how amazing the game was you cant do that in DA2 because the faults scream louder than the positives.
Bioware are on the forums, they read the feedback. I'm not saying don't take anything from DA2 there were some good things but go back and look at DAO. Don't try to make Skyrim, don't try to make KoA, don't try to make a game for casual gamers. Make an epic RPG game.
I worry though that DAO will be the only real classic and the rest of the series are going to be silly games that eventually become the joke of the gaming world like so many FPS.
DA2 wasnt bad, it wasnt good. it was average, forgettable. In a story based game the combat shouldnt be the main focous.
The offensive part is reused content. Well, and enemy respawn. To the bad part contributes boss battle design, equipment balance, badly balanced enemy auto-leveling, dialogue wheel, lack of player choice, forced player stupidity, lazy dungeon and city design, low-polygon models (I play on PS3 and hell some of those were PS2 level), lack of player impact on major story points and finally lazy approach to kill animations. Animating decapitation, severing of alimb or torso is more difficult than making enemy explode. Duh, explosion is good for explosive magic.cJohnOne wrote...
Lord Gremlin wrote...
Well, I can tell you now that DA3 will be like DA2 but without reused areas and waves of spawning enemies. So it will be overall mediocre-to-garbage, but no longer offensively bad.
If it will be successful.. Well, it'll be the time to reinforce umbrellas due to flying pigs invasion.
I disagree with the premise that DA2 was offensively bad. It was good. If this is just about the dialogue wheel you position is pretty weak.
LegendaryBlade wrote...
EDIT: Overhaul Games is releasing an "Enhanced Edition" of Baldur's Gate 1 & 2 later this year (Summer 2012) with hopes to make enough money to build Baldur's Gate 3 in the true spirit of the games that preceed it. If you like DA:O I highly suggest you support them.
Adanu wrote...
Then that is your opinion.
DA2 wasn't a bad game per say, it just fell short of it's potential in many ways.
Let's compare dog dung with gold nugget. Dung sparkles too, it just falls short of it's potential in many ways, such as containing only some atoms of gold.Joy Divison wrote...
Adanu wrote...
Then that is your opinion.
DA2 wasn't a bad game per say, it just fell short of it's potential in many ways.
Am I the only one who sees the humor in this post
Ukki wrote...
DA2 was such a punch in the gut that I did not buy ME3 and I will not buy Dragon Effect 3 either. Thats simply the case now, I have had time to separate myself from DA series (and ME too) and if DA3 will not be a improvement ala DAO then I simply will not buy it. Strange thing is that it doesn´t bother me anymore.
schalafi wrote...
The funny thing about this whole post is the fact that Bioware never said that any of the Dragon Age games would be the same, but that there would be new protagonists, new areas, different times, different stories. So why do people keep going on and on about DA2 not continuing the Origins story? Even more confusing is that DA3 is probably going to do the same thing; a new story and setting.
The only thing I've heard from the Devs is that they will be taking some of the aspects of both games and combining them to make DA3 a better game, and that they are considering some of the suggestions from the fans. "Considering" being the key word.
LegendaryBlade wrote...
It's not the story or setting most people complained about, it was the amazingly inferior gameplay and setup. Nobody wanted DA2 to be exactly like DA:O, I didn't at least, what we wanted was a sequel the way a sequel should be. You don't think a genre shift is a bit much?
Morroian wrote...
LegendaryBlade wrote...
It's not the story or setting most people complained about, it was the amazingly inferior gameplay and setup. Nobody wanted DA2 to be exactly like DA:O, I didn't at least, what we wanted was a sequel the way a sequel should be. You don't think a genre shift is a bit much?
Its not a genre shift. You may not have wanted DA2 to be exactly like DAO but quite a lot clearly did.
As for the gameplay, mechanically its actually pretty similar.
LegendaryBlade wrote...
Morroian wrote...
LegendaryBlade wrote...
It's not the story or setting most people complained about, it was the amazingly inferior gameplay and setup. Nobody wanted DA2 to be exactly like DA:O, I didn't at least, what we wanted was a sequel the way a sequel should be. You don't think a genre shift is a bit much?
Its not a genre shift. You may not have wanted DA2 to be exactly like DAO but quite a lot clearly did.
As for the gameplay, mechanically its actually pretty similar.
Seems like a pretty strong genre shift from Tactical RPG to Action RPG to me
LegendaryBlade wrote...
Morroian wrote...
Its not a genre shift. You may not have wanted DA2 to be exactly like DAO but quite a lot clearly did.
As for the gameplay, mechanically its actually pretty similar.
Seems like a pretty strong genre shift from Tactical RPG to Action RPG to me
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