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[TiminatorT2000]

Punk4Real wrote...

The only worthy rendition of tali, 
 

That looks too wierd for me like they just randomly mixed human and alien parts.Either go fully 90 percent human or 90 percent alien , 50/50 looks really creepy.

[Rip504]

Punk4Real wrote...

The only worthy rendition of tali, 
 

I agree. If a photoshop was needed,why not this one?
I like our Tali(in-game pic),I do think she is uh "hot" sorry.
I have supported Tali since ME1,so no I don't want to hear it. I fought hard for the Tali LI in ME2. My heart still goes out to any female Shepards still suffering that pain.

Also a win. ghostfire.deviantart.com/art/Mass-Effect-Pick-up-the-Pieces-297374523

Modifié par Rip504, 15 mai 2012 - 05:01 .

[Shajar]

Rip504 wrote...

Also a win. ghostfire.deviantart.com/art/Mass-Effect-Pick-up-the-Pieces-297374523

This is best fan art currently, looks like most canon Tali of all arts and is done very well. Not some random purpleface nightelf fish face.

Also Revan's spagetti Tali is cool 

Modifié par Shajar, 15 mai 2012 - 05:40 .

[Campraeden]

I really like the uniqueness of OP's Tali. The mandibles strike me as similar to turians, which makes sense to me in the sense that they're so similar in terms of physiology. I know what the codex says, about them appearing the most human-like — I'm just not sure how you can get more human than the asari, so I'm not going to complain when something new and visually interesting crops up. As art itself, it's incredibly well done and well-approached; I'm especially fond of the way OP showed the different angles and even facial expressions.

I also like the suggested Tali, the one everyone's referring to as 'starfish head'. It's yet another unique and interesting way to approach her: she looks human, which appeals to the codex entry, but she also looks alien, which appeals to people who care about her being an alien. I've been viewing the 'starfish' look as an evolutionary thing. Maybe that's weird of me. But who's to say that it's not made out of hardened keratin? Does it say anywhere that quarians weren't once head-butting mammals? (No, really, does anything officially released by Bioware state that this isn't a possibility? I'm genuinely curious, I'm not asking rhetorically or sarcastically.) I'm personally fascinated by aliens and a human's ability to love an alien, so the more alien a creature can look while still remaining visually appealing and attractive, the better. That's why I like OP's Tali so much: she's not a hideous creature, in fact I think she's kind of cute, in her own way, while still remaining uniquely not human.

I'm also really interested in the ongoing debates about quarian skin pigmentation. It was interesting to see science and evolution brought into it.

[EricHVela]

Punk4Real wrote...

The only worthy rendition of tali, 
 

I have to agree. The OP's version seems to be impossible to kiss. (Shepard would likely get hurt. Turians still have mouths in addition to mandibles. Mandibles-only seems incompatible with being that have lips.)

This version seems to have some plausible connections with the fact that Turians and Quarians share similar DNA and, apparently, tastes in regards to food (beyond just simply able to eat the same food). It also considers the fact that Shepard could easily find her attractive (without hair getting into her face inside the mask).

[BlakStrakt]

And yet everyone still ignores the fact the the codex says that the Quarians look more like Humans than anyone else including the Asari, with the exception of the ears, or "what passes for the quarian version of an ear."

[Campraeden]

I wasn't ignoring the codex. I just said I don't understand how an alien can be more like a human than the asari already are: they have five fingers, a humanoid face, ears, a humanoid body and legs, and I'm assuming they even have five toes. Ignoring their internal physiology, the only thing that makes them appear less human than a human is their skin color and the cartilage on their heads. I'm not arguing with what the codex says. I just don't understand how a quarian, which has three fingers and two or three toes, admittedly not human ears, and impressively back-bowed lower legs, is supposed to look more like human than that. Is it literally just the hair that's the qualifier? (I'm not trying to be argumentative, I'm honestly asking for your opinion and a breakdown of how this is supposed to work, beyond 'it's what the codex says'.)

[comrade gando]

Well bioware's tali sucks hands down. No way to defend that mess if you ask me, codex supports it yeah but it still sucks. More effort pls

[EricHVela]

BlakStrakt wrote...

And yet everyone still ignores the fact the the codex says that the Quarians look more like Humans than anyone else including the Asari, with the exception of the ears, or "what passes for the quarian version of an ear."

The big issue with that codex entry is that the Asari are not digitigrade and have ten fingers and toes. Quarians are digitigrade and have 6 fingers and toes (if you include the heel-nub as a toe). Asari necks are a similar ratio to their bodies as Humans while Quarian necks are obviously a bit longer.

I think Asari win hands-down on the Human-likeness scale regardless what the codex says.

[Campraeden]

ReggarBlane wrote...

BlakStrakt wrote...

And yet everyone still ignores the fact the the codex says that the Quarians look more like Humans than anyone else including the Asari, with the exception of the ears, or "what passes for the quarian version of an ear."

The big issue with that codex entry is that the Asari are not digitigrade and have ten fingers and toes. Quarians are digitigrade and have 6 fingers and toes (if you include the heel-nub as a toe). Asari necks are a similar ratio to their bodies as Humans while Quarian necks are obviously a bit longer.

I think Asari win hands-down on the Human-likeness scale regardless what the codex says.

This is basically where my mind is going. The codex implies that the eyes, nose, mouth, and hair are all qualifiers for 'looking most like a human,' but I still feel that asari take the cake in that regard.

[comrade gando]

Asari are borderline human as it is. If quarians look Even closer to human than asari then why even call them aliens they look exactly the same it doesnt make any sense! *throws a fit*

Besides shep and tali cant have children so might as well make her look alien like shes supposed to. My 2 cents

Modifié par comrade gando, 16 mai 2012 - 06:01 .

[BlakStrakt]

Campraeden wrote...

I wasn't ignoring the codex. I just said I don't understand how an alien can be more like a human than the asari already are: they have five fingers, a humanoid face, ears, a humanoid body and legs, and I'm assuming they even have five toes. Ignoring their internal physiology, the only thing that makes them appear less human than a human is their skin color and the cartilage on their heads. I'm not arguing with what the codex says. I just don't understand how a quarian, which has three fingers and two or three toes, admittedly not human ears, and impressively back-bowed lower legs, is supposed to look more like human than that. Is it literally just the hair that's the qualifier? (I'm not trying to be argumentative, I'm honestly asking for your opinion and a breakdown of how this is supposed to work, beyond 'it's what the codex says'.)

I would assume that the first point would be that hair, the next being the skin color (as we've covered extensively a few pages back).  As far as the Human similarities go, given the legs and fingers and whatnot, we are more or less forced to assume that they mean the face.  After all few humans can match that... hip stucture.  As for the starfish-head, Mandible Mandy, and Bald Betty variants of Tali (and seriously ANYTHING with purple skin!! seriously, we've been over this, guys!!), I find them all to be highly illogical.  As did bioware, clearly.  Hope this helps.

[comrade gando]

Bioware clearly doesnt know what they look like either seeing as they disnt even attempt to make a face dor her they just photoshopped a google image and called it good enough (I believe "yup thats her" is what they said). At this point tali's face is no longer a mystery, its more of a joke than anything and it really damages any potential real reveal they might do if they do.

[BlakStrakt]

comrade gando wrote...

Bioware clearly doesnt know what they look like either seeing as they disnt even attempt to make a face dor her they just photoshopped a google image and called it good enough (I believe "yup thats her" is what they said). At this point tali's face is no longer a mystery, its more of a joke than anything and it really damages any potential real reveal they might do if they do.

Okay then, YOU make a big reveal and render Tali's face from scratch while making the rest of ME3 with EA shoving a deadline up your ass.

[jdtungsten]

Mandibles on Tali makes me sad because the only reason it seems an artist gives her mandibles is for the simple fact that Turians have them so obviously an species that produces dextro amino acids would in fact have mandibles. This reasoning is wrong. First, I believe mandibles on Turians are due to the evolution of their species because their planet has a lot of solar radiation most species on Palaven have developed plating. And if you look at a Turian the mandibles seem to be plating around the more vulnerable spot of it's mouth. Also, Quarians are closer to being a mammal than Turians I don't think any known mammals have mandibles. Finally, a criticism of the OPs art work is that Tali's face in the envrio-suit is almost sunken in when it is actually more elongated.

[Nashiktal]

BlakStrakt wrote...

comrade gando wrote...

Bioware clearly doesnt know what they look like either seeing as they disnt even attempt to make a face dor her they just photoshopped a google image and called it good enough (I believe "yup thats her" is what they said). At this point tali's face is no longer a mystery, its more of a joke than anything and it really damages any potential real reveal they might do if they do.

Okay then, YOU make a big reveal and render Tali's face from scratch while making the rest of ME3 with EA shoving a deadline up your ass.

That doesn't matter at all, especially considering how many other minor characters and species got nice fully rendered, fully imagined faces and designs.

The quarian people, Tali, main characters and important to the story of Mass Effect?Quick and cheap photoshop, and more human than rubbermask aliens. You want to blame time constraints and deadlines? Go ahead, but considering all the other minor crap that got in I don't think your argument has much of a leg to stand on. Even concept art would have been better than what we got.

I used to have the utmost confidence in bioware's creativity when it came to aliens, considering they gave us so many good ones as it is. /snort.

[comrade gando]

BlakStrakt wrote...

comrade gando wrote...

Bioware clearly doesnt know what they look like either seeing as they disnt even attempt to make a face dor her they just photoshopped a google image and called it good enough (I believe "yup thats her" is what they said). At this point tali's face is no longer a mystery, its more of a joke than anything and it really damages any potential real reveal they might do if they do.

Okay then, YOU make a big reveal and render Tali's face from scratch while making the rest of ME3 with EA shoving a deadline up your ass.

If they didnt have enough time that still doesnt explain why they put a cheap photoshop in to ****** the fans off instead of just not show it. Besides not enough time doesnt hold up since there is amazing fan art with original and well though out designs that only took the artist a few hours. No sir they wanted to ****** us off deliberately. Why...

[Campraeden]

To be fair, I don't inherently dislike the Tali they gave us. Almost all (if not all) of the characters are modeled after someone — Samara's face model even cosplays as Samara, as a youtube video or fifty will show. If their *faces* were supposed to look the most human, then what they gave us certainly worked (although I do wish they'd taken more time and care with her hand . . . it just looked . . . odd to me). Edit: I also agree that people might have been happier if they'd rendered her in-game for people to see in cut scenes and the like, rather than just a handwaved photo you can barely see.

I feel like I misinterpreted the codex entry to mean that ~on a whole~ they looked the most human, rather than just their face/head. @BlakStrakt, thank you for clearing that up for me.

I also don't disagree with BlakStrakt's hypotheses on their skin color. It might certainly be more fun for them to have different skin tones like the asari, but even if they did, it would also make sense for them to be incredibly pale, given their lack of contact with melanin-producing sunlight.

@jdtungsten, I do see your point re: mandibles. I hadn't thought of them as just additional plating, but when put that way, that does make a lot of sense, especially since their mouths seem as reptilian as they're supposed to — I always did think their teeth and mouths (maybe not those lips, though) were somewhat iguana-like.

Modifié par Campraeden, 16 mai 2012 - 09:47 .

[N7-RedFox]

Punk4Real wrote...

The only worthy rendition of tali, 
 

holy sh** that is fantastic!

[Apathy1989]

RevanShepard wrote...

  


http://ghostfire.dev...ieces-297374523 


I'm not completely opposed to what BioWare gave us, but I would happily trade it for this depiction of Tali. It adequately fits the description we have of Quarians from the Codex and most importantly its pleasing to the eyes. 

This is also my two cents, but I don't understand where people get the idea that Quarians lack a lower jaw like humans. The fact that they "facial structure and hair actually makes them the most similar to humans in physical appearance" and that they have lips I think clearly indicates that they do. 

I still adore that picture, no matter how much it gets posted. 

[Campraeden]

Apathy1989 wrote...

I still adore that picture, no matter how much it gets posted. 

It's so amazingly well done, detailed and clear and realistically positioned and everything!

[BlakStrakt]

Campraeden wrote...

Apathy1989 wrote...

I still adore that picture, no matter how much it gets posted. 

It's so amazingly well done, detailed and clear and realistically positioned and everything!

I still consider this rendition of tali to be the most realistic.

[wes60620]

I'm not feeling it like everyone else. It reminds me of the Species films. Eeeeh!

[lillitheris]

Oroko wrote...



I don't normally post but I saw this thread and so had a quick doodle.

Spinal ridge used as a similar design to the geth & because I'm sure Grunt mentioned at some point that Quarians are tougher than they look.

He specifically stated that asari and humans are easy to stab in the spine, but “quarians, not so much”. Can’t be referring to armor since anyone can wear it.

Anyway…

I like the idea of fitting the head in the helmet – I thought you had placed it way too far in the back, though, distorting the result a little. I actually started out trying to move it, but then, 3 hours later, I find myself with an entirely new picture (next post).

[lillitheris]

This isn’t really so much what she should have looked like, or even necessarily could have looked like… I’m horrible at drawing but this sketch is a neat midway point: Tali’Zorah vas Kitten. The head proportions and neck length are basically right, although of course you can always argue that the interior structure of the helmet is not what it seems.



I think the helmet shape can be used to argue that the quarians have a rather tiny chin for which the split upper lip would work. They have prominent noses, large eyes, and according to the codex, strange ears. So, I think moderating the features in this sketch might actually result in something good…