Modifié par cinderburster, 20 mars 2012 - 05:59 .
Holiday wrote...
Do you remember the Prothean VI on Thessia that Kai Leng took to the Cerberus station? If you do, then you'd also remember that it was able to discern between people who were indoctrinated and people who weren't. It stated that both the Illusive Man and Kai Leng were indeed indoctrinated, while at the same time, stated that Shepard wasn't indoctrinated. There you go. Indoctrination theory disproven.
+1variobunz wrote...
Holiday wrote...
Do you remember the Prothean VI on Thessia that Kai Leng took to the Cerberus station? If you do, then you'd also remember that it was able to discern between people who were indoctrinated and people who weren't. It stated that both the Illusive Man and Kai Leng were indeed indoctrinated, while at the same time, stated that Shepard wasn't indoctrinated. There you go. Indoctrination theory disproven.
The Prothean VI couldn't detect Sheps indoctrination, because the VI only detects Reaper tech in indivduals.
Shepard never has Reaper tech in his body, Kai Leng an TIM have.
That's also why the VI couldn't uncover indoctrinated Protheans at the time.
EDIT: Shep wasn't indoctrinated until harbys blast in London.
Days or weeks.cinderburster wrote...
It says right in the codex of ME2 that victims can be indoctrinated quickly enough that corruption shows in days or weeks. Losing consciousness at the "feet" of Harbinger would be a perfect opportunity for said Reaper to make an attempt.
ULS 980 wrote...
Days or weeks.cinderburster wrote...
It says right in the codex of ME2 that victims can be indoctrinated quickly enough that corruption shows in days or weeks. Losing consciousness at the "feet" of Harbinger would be a perfect opportunity for said Reaper to make an attempt.
Not minutes or hours.
I still don't see how Shepard can be indoctrinated in the time between when he lost consciousness and when he made his choice.
The only logical way for the theory to make sense IMO is if the start of the indoctrination process was during Arrival or something.
Modifié par cinderburster, 20 mars 2012 - 06:01 .
RedShft wrote...
Holiday wrote...
Do you remember the Prothean VI on Thessia that Kai Leng took to the Cerberus station? If you do, then you'd also remember that it was able to discern between people who were indoctrinated and people who weren't. It stated that both the Illusive Man and Kai Leng were indeed indoctrinated, while at the same time, stated that Shepard wasn't indoctrinated. There you go. Indoctrination theory disproven.
I direct you to this video. Start at 7:00 and tell me how random trees popping up after you get hit by Harby makes sense:
I'm not sure I understand the distinction between "shows" and "happen".cinderburster wrote...
ULS 980 wrote...
Days or weeks.cinderburster wrote...
It says right in the codex of ME2 that victims can be indoctrinated quickly enough that corruption shows in days or weeks. Losing consciousness at the "feet" of Harbinger would be a perfect opportunity for said Reaper to make an attempt.
Not minutes or hours.
I still don't see how Shepard can be indoctrinated in the time between when he lost consciousness and when he made his choice.
The only logical way for the theory to make sense IMO is if the start of the indoctrination process was during Arrival or something.
That quote--"days or weeks"--has to do with how quickly the corruption shows. Not how quickly indoctrination can happen.
Modifié par luzburg, 20 mars 2012 - 06:02 .
Days or weeks.
Not minutes or hours.
I still don't see how Shepard can be indoctrinated in the time between when he lost consciousness and when he made his choice.
The only logical way for the theory to make sense IMO is if the start of the indoctrination process was during Arrival or something.
ULS 980 wrote...
I'm not sure I understand the distinction between "shows" and "happen".cinderburster wrote...
ULS 980 wrote...
Days or weeks.cinderburster wrote...
It says right in the codex of ME2 that victims can be indoctrinated quickly enough that corruption shows in days or weeks. Losing consciousness at the "feet" of Harbinger would be a perfect opportunity for said Reaper to make an attempt.
Not minutes or hours.
I still don't see how Shepard can be indoctrinated in the time between when he lost consciousness and when he made his choice.
The only logical way for the theory to make sense IMO is if the start of the indoctrination process was during Arrival or something.
That quote--"days or weeks"--has to do with how quickly the corruption shows. Not how quickly indoctrination can happen.
It's quite clearly stated that it takes at least days or even weeks for someone to become corrupted.
Shepard wouldn't lose his mind in a few hours.
ULS 980 wrote...
I'm not sure I understand the distinction between "shows" and "happen".cinderburster wrote...
ULS 980 wrote...
Days or weeks.cinderburster wrote...
It says right in the codex of ME2 that victims can be indoctrinated quickly enough that corruption shows in days or weeks. Losing consciousness at the "feet" of Harbinger would be a perfect opportunity for said Reaper to make an attempt.
Not minutes or hours.
I still don't see how Shepard can be indoctrinated in the time between when he lost consciousness and when he made his choice.
The only logical way for the theory to make sense IMO is if the start of the indoctrination process was during Arrival or something.
That quote--"days or weeks"--has to do with how quickly the corruption shows. Not how quickly indoctrination can happen.
It's quite clearly stated that it takes at least days or even weeks for someone to become corrupted.
Shepard wouldn't lose his mind in a few hours.
ULS 980 wrote...
I'm not sure I understand the distinction between "shows" and "happen".
It's quite clearly stated that it takes at least days or even weeks for someone to become corrupted.
Shepard wouldn't lose his mind in a few hours.
cinderburster wrote...
@Vromrig
Mordin-speak!
Pretty much what I'm saying. Except in an awesome Mordin voice.Vromrig wrote...
Days or weeks.
Not minutes or hours.
I still don't see how Shepard can be indoctrinated in the time between when he lost consciousness and when he made his choice.
The only logical way for the theory to make sense IMO is if the start of the indoctrination process was during Arrival or something.
Concept not that Shepard went from 0 to 100 in span of minutes. Harbinger did not suddenly come up with idea. Instead, gradual. On numerical scale, consider that at beginning, Shepard is at 10. Early signs of Indoctrination. Reapers trying, failing, growing frustrated. Growl a lot.
Game continues, pervasiiveness of attempts become worse. Manifest in dreams. By Thessia, Indoctrination reaching dangerous levels, think 60 or 70 of 100, but still not Indoctrinated. Free will resumes.
Finally, battle for Earth. Shepard caught in blast, thrown under rubble. Resolve weakening, becoming desperate. Desperation and near death experience result in Reapers getting best shot. Sequence of events best categorized as 99/100. Final choice determines if Indoctrination works or fails.
Considered to be internal. Illusive Man represents the allure. Anderson represents the will against the Reapers. What do you choose? Philosophical debate with Harbinger, convince yourself it is Catalyst. Way to not wipe out Reapers, save universe. Select Green or Blue option. Fail fight, become indoctrinated.
Select red, resist Indoctrination. Wake up, fight Reapers again. Held the line.
Mentally speaking.
Exactly what I'm saying.CavScout wrote...
ULS 980 wrote...
I'm not sure I understand the distinction between "shows" and "happen".
It's quite clearly stated that it takes at least days or even weeks for someone to become corrupted.
Shepard wouldn't lose his mind in a few hours.
Long-term physical effects of the manipulation are unsustainable. Higher
mental functioning decays, ultimately leaving the victim a gibbering
animal. Rapid indoctrination is possible, but causes this decay in days
or weeks. Slow, patient indoctrination allows the thrall to last for
months or years.
Hope that make sense.
Modifié par ULS 980, 20 mars 2012 - 06:10 .
Modifié par Psyrgery, 20 mars 2012 - 06:12 .
Pretty much what I'm saying. Except in an awesome Mordin voice.
Although I still wouldn't use the phrase "attempt to indoctrinate" personally. Just doesn't sound right.
Vromrig wrote...
Even more evidence that the theory is silly... it can't be right until more game is made and released....
Incorrect, using words incorrectly. Final scenes of game do not conclude story. Also do not depict logical sequence of events outside of Indoctrination Theory. Therefore, conclusion that what you see is real is illogical, as scenes do not add up.
Like calling chair a bird. All facts point to the chair being a chair. But the manufacturer insists it is a bird. Threw chair, failed to fly. Data concludes it cannot be bird.
Same concept with ending. Cannot be anything but Indoctrination Theory, does not add up logically.
Unless...sabotage?
Modifié par Vigil_N7, 20 mars 2012 - 06:12 .
If you talk to the prothean squadmate he said they didn't realize that some of his people were indoctrinated until it was too late. They created the technology to identify reaper tech when they were betrayed by the indoctrinated protheans.Mims wrote...
But you could also make the good counter argument of: if the protheans had the technology to accurately predict indoctrination, why did they keep getting infiltrated?
/not for or against the theory.
Modifié par the red boon, 20 mars 2012 - 06:13 .
Vigil_N7 wrote...
I find it troubling that so many people are willing to settle for the indoctrination theory. If I did, I know I would be absolutely livid.
If it was bioware's intention all along, then Bioware have NO excuse not to include the real ending after shepard breaks the indoctrination. But they never did, they were clearly happy with whatever they had done by release.
If they purposely held off the ending until an expansion/DLC, then Bioware should be ashamed and everyone should quite frankly be disgusted.
However, I feel many people would purchase it anyway, thus vindicating Bioware's orginal stance.
We see what we want to see. The evidence for indoc or dream theory is all circumstantial.
Mims wrote...
But you could also make the good counter argument of: if the protheans had the technology to accurately predict indoctrination, why did they keep getting infiltrated?
/not for or against the theory.
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