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[Marko GW]

http://greywardens.c...-game-in-works/

If you do this Bioware, this franchise will be dead to me... and I believe for many others also.

After all the dissapointment from DA2, the only thing that it made me play it more than once was the fact that my choices matter and that they will bear some consequences in future game, along with those from Origins.

You remember Origins, Bioware??? The RPG of the year, the game that everybody loves... why did you mess with stuff like that???

I love the DA setting and stories/characters etc... but if you go and make some bullsh*t cannon, you'll lose.

Modifié par Marko GW, 29 mars 2012 - 05:52 .

[Dave of Canada]

 Except the man who lays down the law has mentioned importing in the thread.

[hoorayforicecream]

"Yes, it's a big issue... because "garbage in, garbage out", right? It doesn't help if we write things that take advantage of imported data if that data isn't properly there to be imported. We've got some ideas on the table, but I don't think we can comment on any of it right now. Know that this is a big issue, however, especially insofar as the writers are concerned." -- David Gaider

"I can't talk methods, but I can talk goals: We would like you to be able to import choices in a way that is error-proof. Which is to say, not ignoring the DA world you've helped shape." -- Mike Laidlaw

[Xewaka]

Marko GW wrote...
I love the DA setting and stories/characters etc... but if you go and make some bullsh*t cannon, you'll lose.

That is quite true. Gunpowder mishaps are terrible. One can lose limbs that way.

[mesmerizedish]

OP is a bullshi*t cannon.

[Samuel_Valkyrie]

Screw this.

I want my Hawke and Merrill. Not soemthing else.

[LobselVith8]

Marko GW wrote...

I love the DA setting and stories/characters etc... but if you go and make some bullsh*t canon, you'll lose.

I understand the frustration you feel, Marko. The idea of Dragon Age III ignoring our prior choices would be a mistake, but I think there are more than a few people who are going to wait to see how other fans respond to the game before they even consider purchasing it (after the negative backlash from people who pre-ordered Dragon Age II and were unsatisfied with the final product).

Ignoring the prior choices that were made would be a mistake. Some fans were upset with how Dragon Age II made some specific events canon, despite what some fans had chosen, i.e. Leliana being alive, and Anders meeting Justice. I can also understand being wary about the "conflicting" reports from the creators of Dragon Age. Despite the claims about how choice would now matter, we were provided with two story DLCs where choice ultimately didn't matter. Despite Dragon Age II being heavily promoted as a game where Kirkwall would be shaped by each of Hawke's choices by Mike Laidlaw, that wasn't what was delivered to us.

[HiroVoid]

I'd rather choices focus on having consequences in the game they're in then in a game they think they might make in the future. Otherwise, DA didn't plan on importing in the first place as far as I can see, so starting a clean slate, or making some type of checklist for players from previous games could really help.

[esper]

I have faith that they will keep the imports...
It is among the things that would make me quit the game:
1. If I hear once, and I mean once in da3 that the warden or Hawke was male and fell in love with female lead I will quit. A lot of the choices we do make is personal, so it hurts when they don't respect them.
2. If I am forced to play a seeker/pro chantry I won't be buying dlc or da4. It is that simple actually.
3. If the non-games media become so important that you have to have them to understand the lore in the game.

[Marko GW]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Marko GW wrote...

I love the DA setting and stories/characters etc... but if you go and make some bullsh*t canon, you'll lose.

I understand the frustration you feel, Marko. The idea of Dragon Age III ignoring our prior choices would be a mistake, but I think there are more than a few people who are going to wait to see how other fans respond to the game before they even consider purchasing it (after the negative backlash from people who pre-ordered Dragon Age II and were unsatisfied with the final product).

Ignoring the prior choices that were made would be a mistake. Some fans were upset with how Dragon Age II made some specific events canon, despite what some fans had chosen, i.e. Leliana being alive, and Anders meeting Justice. I can also understand being wary about the "conflicting" reports from the creators of Dragon Age. Despite the claims about how choice would now matter, we were provided with two story DLCs where choice ultimately didn't matter. Despite Dragon Age II being heavily promoted as a game where Kirkwall would be shaped by each of Hawke's choices by Mike Laidlaw, that wasn't what was delivered to us.

Thanks for understanding and your well written post.

esper wrote...

I have faith that they will keep the imports...
It is among the things that would make me quit the game:
1. If I hear once, and I mean once in da3 that the warden or Hawke was male and fell in love with female lead I will quit.

This! My Hawke is female with Isabella as romantic partner.

Modifié par Marko GW, 20 mars 2012 - 07:29 .

[HiroVoid]

It's more important to you'll about a line about the previous game than what's actually in the game in its entirety?

[esper]

HiroVoid wrote...

It's more important to you'll about a line about the previous game than what's actually in the game in its entirety?

 I don't demand more than a few lines and camoes. All I demand is the acknowlegdement that the characthers I created live in the world and not some generic hero who made choices I would never make. The importat is flavor, but a very important flavor which I could not eat the dish without.

[Wulfram]

They're going to keep imports, it sounds like. Just maybe they'll be doing it manually, or at least allowing an option to do that, to avoid the bugginess.

Though I'd rather they abandoned them. They're not really necessary with new protagonists, and I'd rather see the big results of one "canon" option, than have the impact of what should be major choices reduced to a few cameos.

[T3HB3N]

There NEEDS to be imports, and the next game needs to use the big choices from DA:O (God child, who is on the throne) and DA II (who Hawke sided with) effectively if it wants to succeed - but that's it, unless there are going to be some cameo's. I have stuck to Dragon Age through and through, but I will lose faith if we don't get imports.

Fortunately, however, I believe Bioware will give us what we want in this case.

[Marko GW]

God child, who's on the throne and who Hawke sided with is not enough... they need to make it work for some other decisions also... like how Hawke resolved the situation with the Qunari, the Warden in Awakening regarding the Architect, also Witch Hunt i.e. what he did with Morrigan at the end... etc.

Also mentioning (not just for the sake of it) and well done cameos from characters of both games regarding their fate in those.

DA3 will be the turning point, the product that will either destroy or bring back Bioware's reputation following the disappointment from DA2 and ME3 (the ending from what I can see and read).

They will get their sales with DA3 again, but if it fails to impress... you know.

[ramenbito]

Without imports I see no purpose of buying the game. I had enough of a male dominant videogame series.

[RVallant]

ramenbito wrote...

Without imports I see no purpose of buying the game. I had enough of a male dominant videogame series.

This but minus the gender bit hehe.

Tbh, they messed up imports so poorly in DA2 they're probably better off moving to another area of the world and allowing you to pick a 'general' conclusion to the first two games. The blight happened, stuff happened, no one knows the details, no one cares everything and everyone is dead so. =D

[Marko GW]

For me, my Hawke will always be female romancing Isabela... I don't know, it just feels right.

My Warden however is male with Morrigan as romance companion, everything else (again, for me) is just testing out different playthroughs and epilogues. That is why I want my import, since it something that I have chosen.

[David Gaider]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

"Yes, it's a big issue... because "garbage in, garbage out", right? It doesn't help if we write things that take advantage of imported data if that data isn't properly there to be imported. We've got some ideas on the table, but I don't think we can comment on any of it right now. Know that this is a big issue, however, especially insofar as the writers are concerned." -- David Gaider

"I can't talk methods, but I can talk goals: We would like you to be able to import choices in a way that is error-proof. Which is to say, not ignoring the DA world you've helped shape." -- Mike Laidlaw

These statements deserve repeating, apparently.

The question is how we will do the import, not whether we will. The problem is that our "beginning point" has bugs that date back to DAO... and even though some of those were fixed in the original game, many people have saves that date from before those fixes. So if you don't have a clean starting point, what you import won't affect how we use it (which was the case with many peoples' Zevran encounter in DA2).

So we'll figure it out. No flailing required.

[Bebuse]

I can see the enormous difficulty here: the sheer volume of choices made in DA:O and DA2, up to and including the death of the Warden, make a substantial import near impossible. Bioware would have to create half a dozen different games right from the start.

In making games with such an amazing plethora of options they have destroyed the possibilities for properly building on a lot of the stories: for example you do not have to do the Dark Ritual meaning the child cannot be the focus in DA3, at most it could be a side mission of minor significance.

I see the focus of DA3 being the plight of the mages, because that is the only plot that can be carried over from the previous games, that makes sense, in a region such as Antiva or Orlais so the events of the previous games can be mentioned in passing without having to drastically alter the surroundings.

I for one am terribly excited to know the direction the game will take. I have faith that the DA team will learn from the flaws of DA2 and create something marvellous!

Modifié par Bebuse, 21 mars 2012 - 02:40 .

[Eyeofanger]

 So importing save files will be in da3? One advice take your time to make da3 story the greatest story ever written I liked the da2 story but a lot of people did not.  

David Gaider wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...

"Yes, it's a big issue... because "garbage in, garbage out", right? It doesn't help if we write things that take advantage of imported data if that data isn't properly there to be imported. We've got some ideas on the table, but I don't think we can comment on any of it right now. Know that this is a big issue, however, especially insofar as the writers are concerned." -- David Gaider

"I can't talk methods, but I can talk goals: We would like you to be able to import choices in a way that is error-proof. Which is to say, not ignoring the DA world you've helped shape." -- Mike Laidlaw

These statements deserve repeating, apparently.

The question is how we will do the import, not whether we will. The problem is that our "beginning point" has bugs that date back to DAO... and even though some of those were fixed in the original game, many people have saves that date from before those fixes. So if you don't have a clean starting point, what you import won't affect how we use it (which was the case with many peoples' Zevran encounter in DA2).

So we'll figure it out. No flailing required.

Modifié par Eyeofanger, 21 mars 2012 - 10:06 .

[Nenya Higurashi]

I can see the enormous difficulty here: the sheer volume of choices made in DA:O and DA2, up to and including the death of the Warden, make a substantial import near impossible. Bioware would have to create half a dozen different games right from the start.

My warden died and I honestly loved that part... and if they simply 'resurrect' her (or, worse, turning her in a random male) I'd see no point in buying DAIII, especially not after the major disappointment in DAII and MEIII.

Without imports I see no purpose of buying the game. I had enough of a male dominant videogame series.

THIS! Still, I'll wait and hope to see more informations about it.

[Lazy Jer]

David Gaider wrote...


So we'll figure it out. No flailing required.

Can we still flail just for the fun of it?