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Why is Mac Walters not talking with us?


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Eain

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DISCLAIMER:
Before mods or community managers find reason to close this thread for being demanding, I am NOT requesting that Mac Walters talks with us. All I am doing is allowing for Lots Of Speculation From Everyone in his stead.

This is something I find curious.

The way I see it, either of these things could have been the reason for the ending:

1) A pressing deadline that kept Bioware from giving us something more conclusive.
2) A last minute change to artistic vision (Final Hours seems to hint at this)
3) This was what they literally planned all along and never changed a thing.

If #1 is the case.
If #1 is the case I understand why Bioware's not talking. We know EA is infamous for their killer deadlines and I know that when Bioware became an EA company a lot of people feared exactly this. I still remember Bioware telling us that with EA's funding they could rise to new heights and told us how much good it would do for the quality of the Mass Effect trilogy. Currently this is still inconclusive: the story would arguably have been the same, all we can really thank EA for is the inclusion of movie-grade voice actors (though Lance Henriksen, Keith David and Seth Green were already onboard in ME1) and the addition of multiplayer. From a player's perspective I don't really see the added value of EA's money beyond that, and I think everyone agrees that if ME's gameplay and quality had never changed from ME1 we would still have played this trilogy through to the end.

Either way, if #1 is the case then Bioware is contractually obligated (I would assume) to not badmouth EA. It seems illogical for Walters to just suddenly appear and go "yeah we really had a lot more planned than this but EA sabotaged us by not wanting to extend the deadline". In that case, he would prove right the fears that fans have had all along, and would invalidate Bioware's past claims that EA's support would help them do more justice to the franchise.

If #2 is the case.
In this case I don't see why Walters doesn't talk with us. We've proven more than capable of civil discussions with Stanley, Chris, Jarrett and basically everyone who posts here. There's a lot of anger about the way the end has been handled, but so far this has not really translated towards anger with specific individuals like it did with DA2's fiasco. Maybe Bioware is wary of this for exactly what happened to DA2, but at the same time I feel like communication is the way forward.

If Walters were to come to this forum to tell us why Bio did the ending like they did, perhaps he could even help us understand. Give us the exposition that the ending itself did not. Maybe we won't agree, but by explaining why the current ending seemed like a good idea when they made it really could help clear up the air.

If #3 is the case.
Then why does Mac Walters not tell us what the vision for the ME trilogy overall has been? If this is literally what the plan from the start was, how did the writers envision its execution? What is the underlying philosophy of the game's theme? For five years we thought we were playing a game that was about survival against all odds and finding strength in cooperation. Now it turns out that the message of the game is that "synthetics will inevitably destroy organics". This is one of the main offenses of the ending, because when Spacekid speaks we don't hear a character in the universe talk but we hear the writer's contrived philosophy seep its way into our story, and all suspension of disbelief is shattered.

So talk philosophy with us? Why did the game's writers believe that this was a credible motivation for the Reapers? As it stands, the Reapers look like fools: they are the ones producing the very problem they exist to solve. That seems like contrary to what any writer would intend for his work.

Talk with us, make us understand.
That's advice, not a request. We have to assume that the writers either supported what they wrote, or that EA kept them from making a better game. In the latter case I expect we will find out several years from now, and the longer silence is maintained the more likely it becomes that this is the case. But if points #2 or #3 are what's going on, then I think everyone in Retake would welcome the opportunity for a discussion. If the "its art" defense holds true, then as artists we welcome Bioware's writers to discuss their art with us.

Modifié par Eain, 20 mars 2012 - 02:18 .


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MrFob

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My guess is that they are in the process of figuring out what to do. They need to coordinate a response before they give it or it will be total chaos.

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Thepeak12

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I think they are waiting for more people to finish the game, and then will decide what to do from there.

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pharsti

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Isnt that the question on most peoples minds?

Im still waiting for that healthy discussions about the ending once more people finish the game, wonder how many years thatll take >_>

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1. He hates us.
2. He's on a tight leash.

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Bazedragon

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I'd hope he's too busy helping write new options for the ending (and fixing the plotholes it opened).
Or, preferably - writing a DLC which shows shep waking up from a failed indoctrination attempt and finishing the fight.

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They said they are waiting for more people to complete the game to gather more opinions. The few thousand that post on forums are a sampling of some of the more dedicated fans, but they want to see what casual fans have to say, as well.

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If you were in his shoes, would you?]

Also, the Man does have a job.

Modifié par Avissel, 20 mars 2012 - 02:20 .


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I don't blame him. I don't forsee him getting positive reception from the community. He would be the target of all the negative feelings about the ending. And it may not even be his fault. Even if it were, he shouldn't be subject to the vitriol we would surely lash out with.

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Evil_medved

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He gives zero ****s, he got his payment.

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Yuoaman

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Bioware and EA are probably still not entirely sure how to respond to the response, other than what they've done thus far.

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Eain

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Avissel wrote...

If you were in his shoes, would you?]


Absolutely. I intend to publish my first sci-fi novel in a series this year (very far into it, will be looking for an agent soon), and if it takes off and gathers a fanbase then I will owe it to them if they turn out not to like what I'm doing with it.

Modifié par Eain, 20 mars 2012 - 02:22 .


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MassEffecter132

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The scared of what will happen when they tell us they won't change the ending

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Huskeonkel

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Also they would probably not want to discuss philosophy with a group of angry fans. Nor would everyone of us be able to see whatever finer points they have, which just adds to the rage.

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Avissel wrote...
If you were in his shoes, would you?

Considering he lied to the entire fan base, praised himself wherever he could in interviews and did scribble the infamous 'Lots of speculation from everyone' - I wouldn't even dare to leave my house if I were in his shoes...

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Andronic0s

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There is nothing that he can say that would help with the ending so it makes sense for him not to say anything

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GBGriffin

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I think they're still in the process of deciding what to do, and tbh, I think Casey, more than Mac, should be the one "speaking to us".

If they decide to stick with the endings as is, though, I'd love to hear his explanation of why it works.

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He is in an underground bunker.

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ElectronicPostingInterface

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He gave an interview recently.

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ThatGuy39

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This is an unusual situation. I am sure that Bioware/EA was not expecting this kind of backlash. Plus, like you mentioned, he may be contractually obligated not to say anything.

Modifié par ThatGuy39, 20 mars 2012 - 02:26 .


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crimzontearz

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remember what Javik said protheans did to traitors? that

also, did Silicon Knights talk much about too human? No....same here

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I don't see why anyone from Bioware would come and interact with us,
very few companies do that unless all is rosey and they will get to make
lots of good PR statements. They would also draw more mainstream media attention if they did that, which I'm guessing is not what they want.

Hammer6767 wrote...
They said they are waiting for more people to complete the game to gather more opinions. The few thousand that post on forums are a sampling of some of the more dedicated fans, but they want to see what casual fans have to say, as well.


The few thousand who post on these forums are a sample of those who buy their DLC. I think in the end that would be my main concern if I was at Bioware or EA.

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They changed the original plotline for the third game. The video in my sig explains what the original plotline was supposed to be.

That said, it was hardly a last minute change.

As to why they don't speak... I'd say either because they don't know what they're going to do yet, they're hoping it all blows over, or EA has them in a choke-hold. If the first is the case, then I understand. This is probably a hell of a shock for them. If the second is the case, then they're digging their own grave. However, if this is because of EA, then I truly do feel sorry for Bioware, though it was their fault for joining up with the Evil Empire.

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Sparse wrote...

I don't see why anyone from Bioware would come and interact with us,
very few companies do that unless all is rosey and they will get to make
lots of good PR statements. They would also draw more mainstream media attention if they did that, which I'm guessing is not what they want.

Hammer6767 wrote...
They said they are waiting for more people to complete the game to gather more opinions. The few thousand that post on forums are a sampling of some of the more dedicated fans, but they want to see what casual fans have to say, as well.


The few thousand who post on these forums are a sample of those who buy their DLC. I think in the end that would be my main concern if I was at Bioware or EA.


True...but they are still in their title roll out so regular BAU sales still count.  ;)

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If I were him I'd be embarassed.