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[kidbd15]

Bobamelius wrote...

Indoc makes more sense than the ending, but there's no way it's true.

Doing something unexpected and clever is nice and all, but there's absolutely no way in hell a sane company would sacrifice so many sales, so much of its core fanbase, and take so much flak and negative publicity/word of mouth for it. Doubly unlikely with EA at the helm, are you kidding?

At the minimum they would have plainly said by now that the ending is not what it seems and that there's more to come. They haven't.

If they decide to make ending DLC, the only logical move is to announce it immediately once the decision is made, and then it's going to have to be developed from scratch, which means several months at least.

The only reason they would do all of this is if they didn't have time to finish the actual ending, thus giving them time post release to finish it.  According to the Final Hours app, time was definitely an issue, especially for the ending.

[Ilzairspar]

I've gone from "I will never purchase another EA/Bioware product ever again" to "I will never pre-order and will wait until the compilation comes out along with 10 recommendations by players before I buy and maybe not even then"

If this is true then I will apologize on here and on twitter for doubting them and anything mean I ever said... I will then tell them not to do it ever again

[Vovea]

If only.

[Erethrian]

kidbd15 wrote...

Bobamelius wrote...

Indoc makes more sense than the ending, but there's no way it's true.

Doing something unexpected and clever is nice and all, but there's absolutely no way in hell a sane company would sacrifice so many sales, so much of its core fanbase, and take so much flak and negative publicity/word of mouth for it. Doubly unlikely with EA at the helm, are you kidding?

At the minimum they would have plainly said by now that the ending is not what it seems and that there's more to come. They haven't.

If they decide to make ending DLC, the only logical move is to announce it immediately once the decision is made, and then it's going to have to be developed from scratch, which means several months at least.

The only reason they would do all of this is if they didn't have time to finish the actual ending, thus giving them time post release to finish it.  According to the Final Hours app, time was definitely an issue, especially for the ending.

So it makes even more sense than before.

Also, with all this feedback from us (the fans) I'm sure they're thinking "Hmmm, we could change this" "Look at this idea! Is awesome!". Indeed, they wanted an unforgettable game and if all of this is true, they'll succeed and I'll be very, very happy.

Modifié par Erethrian, 20 mars 2012 - 06:56 .

[Fattness132]

While i love the indoctrination theory as a whole (its my headcanon atm), i don't think bioware actually planned it out. They would most likely have said something, the game is getting a lot of negative press and attention. If they did plan for this, it seems to have backfired majorly and they are now scrambling to get things done as quickly as possible to put out the ever-rising fires of rage from the fanbase.

[RunicDragons]

Erethrian wrote...

MissOuJ wrote...

RunicDragons wrote...

Although he does have some points, we mustn't forget that this is just an opinion. An idea...

They wanted speculation. They're getting speculation. Loads of it!

And they'll get more. If what I believe is true, we won't get a response until April 6th. I have hope, though.

Are you sure? 

[Erethrian]

RunicDragons wrote...

Erethrian wrote...

MissOuJ wrote...

RunicDragons wrote...

Although he does have some points, we mustn't forget that this is just an opinion. An idea...

They wanted speculation. They're getting speculation. Loads of it!

And they'll get more. If what I believe is true, we won't get a response until April 6th. I have hope, though.

Are you sure? 

I can't assure anything, it's just what I think.

[FKA_Servo]

Erethrian wrote...

RunicDragons wrote...

Erethrian wrote...

MissOuJ wrote...

RunicDragons wrote...

Although he does have some points, we mustn't forget that this is just an opinion. An idea...

They wanted speculation. They're getting speculation. Loads of it!

And they'll get more. If what I believe is true, we won't get a response until April 6th. I have hope, though.

Are you sure? 

I can't assure anything, it's just what I think.

April 6th is PAX East, Runic - Bioware will have panels for all their games, I believe. I would expect some serious announcements to come through then.

[Trishot]

Really interesting points, I also wondered from the moment, how could they let it end like this

[N7Gold]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

"And again, let me remind you of Saren, who allowed Sovereign to implant him, ‘improve him’, and through those implants was controlled and ultimately dominated, mind and body, even after he was dead. And Shepard has a few snazzy implants and cybernetics, too."

Who authorized and saw the implantation of Shepard's implants?

The Illusive Man. Who may have already (by the eyes) been indoctrinated and implanted pre-ME2.

Read Mass Effect Evolution and you'll see the that Illusive Man has likely been indoctrinated ever since the First Contact War.

[Gallron395]

Bump for emphasis

I heard this full amount of mind blowingness about a week ago. I guess not everyone who looked into indoctrination fully understood all of this.

All I can say is I sure hope it is true. And if it is true, like the post says, take my money.

[IronSabbath88]

I actually DO believe BioWare planned this out. Everything in the game is too well placed for it not to be planned out.

[RunicDragons]

TommyServo wrote...

Erethrian wrote...

RunicDragons wrote...

Erethrian wrote...

MissOuJ wrote...

RunicDragons wrote...

Although he does have some points, we mustn't forget that this is just an opinion. An idea...

They wanted speculation. They're getting speculation. Loads of it!

And they'll get more. If what I believe is true, we won't get a response until April 6th. I have hope, though.

Are you sure? 

I can't assure anything, it's just what I think.

April 6th is PAX East, Runic - Bioware will have panels for all their games, I believe. I would expect some serious announcements to come through then.

Ah. I forgot PAX.

Thanks for the reply!

[Cadence of the Planes]

Fattness132 wrote...

While i love the indoctrination theory as a whole (its my headcanon atm), i don't think bioware actually planned it out. They would most likely have said something, the game is getting a lot of negative press and attention. If they did plan for this, it seems to have backfired majorly and they are now scrambling to get things done as quickly as possible to put out the ever-rising fires of rage from the fanbase.

Hmm- I'm not sure if they would have said something, despite the negative attention. 

I don't think the company would be as reactive as the disgruntled fans- but would "hold the line" as they say, and stick to their guns. I'm sure they have a plan coming up, and this likely isn't the last we've seen of Shepard.

[panamakira]

Woah~ I never paid attention to the music change. However I did notice when I chose destroy, the kid disappears and goes away instantly. If you choose Synthesis or Control he just looks at you before he leaves.....weird?

[TuringPoint]

 If the games ended with Shepard as a Reaper thrall, well... I'd have thrown my computer out the window.

There are other ways to figure out the ending besides making up your own.  If you must, have at it, but really...

The indoctrination thing doesn't account for just leaving us with three endings, either.

Modifié par Alocormin, 20 mars 2012 - 08:46 .

[bryan12112]

kidbd15 wrote...

The only reason they would do all of this is if they didn't have time to finish the actual ending, thus giving them time post release to finish it.  According to the Final Hours app, time was definitely an issue, especially for the ending.

I think the main reason to do this, aside from not having enough time, is because it would be unprecedented and mind blowing. The concept of indoctrinating not only Shepard but also the players is brilliant. It would instantly make people into BioWare fanatics for life.

Modifié par bryan12112, 20 mars 2012 - 09:06 .

[Sammuthegreat]

Bobamelius wrote...

Indoc makes more sense than the ending, but there's no way it's true.

Doing something unexpected and clever is nice and all, but there's absolutely no way in hell a sane company would sacrifice so many sales, so much of its core fanbase, and take so much flak and negative publicity/word of mouth for it. Doubly unlikely with EA at the helm, are you kidding?

At the minimum they would have plainly said by now that the ending is not what it seems and that there's more to come. They haven't.

If they decide to make ending DLC, the only logical move is to announce it immediately once the decision is made, and then it's going to have to be developed from scratch, which means several months at least.

You sure about that?

[xxskyshadowxx]

That was a good read. I can't agree with it entirely tough because we do see things that Shepard doesn't see; Joker pissing himself and flying the crew away from the war, their crash landing on Chaos after Shepard dies...the old man and lil boy however many days/years later... teammates resurrecting from the dead, the final genoide. It's these kinds of things that pull me away from the indoctrination theory and lead me to believe it was just a rushed ending.

If I am proved wrong and this was a big mind screw of epic proportions...and a "real" ending comes about....I will bow down to the Bioware masters and chastise myself for doubting their story-telling mastery.

Based on everything I've read and seen so far though? Rushed ending.

[xxskyshadowxx]

But then again....maybe they did run out of time to do the ending that they wanted and had to relegate it to a DLC and the "rushed' ending is part of the set up of that...and maybe ARRRGH! Curse you indoctrination theorists!

*Shakes fist*

[spacefiddle]

bytemarks wrote...

Dusty Boy T wrote...

If this is what Bioware had in mind, they'd better fess up pretty soon. They're not making many friends by staying quiet...

They wont make friends by spoiling the game for the many, many people who haven't finished it yet, either.

Good thing we're discussing this in a forum labeled "spoilers," then? Whenever it comes out - if something's meant to come out - there will be people who haven't played. 

No, delaying communication to us has NOTHING to do with "not spoiling things" for those who haven't played, and everything to do with buying time in the hope this blows over and we go away, or that a sudden SPACE MAGIC upsurge of "fans who love the ending" appears.

[Dariansarr]

Internasting theory

[Golferguy758]

Sammuthegreat wrote...

Bobamelius wrote...

Indoc makes more sense than the ending, but there's no way it's true.

Doing something unexpected and clever is nice and all, but there's absolutely no way in hell a sane company would sacrifice so many sales, so much of its core fanbase, and take so much flak and negative publicity/word of mouth for it. Doubly unlikely with EA at the helm, are you kidding?

At the minimum they would have plainly said by now that the ending is not what it seems and that there's more to come. They haven't.

If they decide to make ending DLC, the only logical move is to announce it immediately once the decision is made, and then it's going to have to be developed from scratch, which means several months at least.

You sure about that?

hah, one of my tweets is on there. That amuses me.

[Jenlocks]

that's very interesting..but it still kind of makes me feel like throwing up..not because of the whole indoctrination thing but because we're allowed to stew in our juices thinking of horrible things and getting all crazy about this game and we just don't hear anything, we're just being left to flounder around without confirmation of anything.

[Quietness]

Ya im sure.