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[GBGriffin]

Speculations are fine and all right up until the point one user gets in it in his or her head to attack other users (I like the term "unbelievers") over what is pure speculation vs pure speculation.

I've been making my rounds to the various IT threads (staying out of the main one, obviously) because I think people need to be reminded that you can't really prove this theory wrong, and you can't prove the theories to the contrary wrong. It's all speculation until BioWare says something.

That being said, if it helps you hold the line, speculate away...but don't get into fights over it. That gets us nowhere

[avixK7]

If this theory turns out to be true. Then the ending will in fact be genius rather than underwhelming. Unless I have to dump more cash to find out.

[LilaNoir]

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[GBGriffin]

avixK7 wrote...

If this theory turns out to be true. Then the ending will in fact be genius rather than underwhelming. Unless I have to dump more cash to find out.

To me, selling an incomplete product and forcing people to wait for the true ending, possibly for months, isn't genius.

Also, ask the people who bought/ finished FF XIII-2 if they think Square Enix is genius over their decision on the ending

[streamlock]

I'm starting to lean more and more to the indoc theory.

[avixK7]

GBGriffin wrote...

avixK7 wrote...

If this theory turns out to be true. Then the ending will in fact be genius rather than underwhelming. Unless I have to dump more cash to find out.

To me, selling an incomplete product and forcing people to wait for the true ending, possibly for months, isn't genius.

Also, ask the people who bought/ finished FF XIII-2 if they think Square Enix is genius over their decision on the ending

Fair enough, although the only way that a Final Fantasy game could have a satisfying ending is if was... well... final.


That being said I agree with your view point. But, in the unlikely chance that they release a free DLC with a "follow up" ending, I'll be excited all over again. If I have to pay more on top of my 60+ $ I'll be pissed.

Either way Mass Effect 3 is very likely the last Bioware game that I buy.

[Taldek]

If it turns out within a week or so BioWare releases that the indoctrination theory is correct i'll give them all my monies, if not I'll still wait months for a better ending and give them all my monies.. either way i see it as a win win.

[sedrikhcain]

Just so I'm clear on the indoctrination theory, the end result is supposedly that Shepard never left earth, right? He didn't reach the beam and all the events that supposedly took place in the Citadel never happened. So the Reapers won and the cycle continues, correct? So does it follow then that in the "breath of life" scene that Shepard is still on earth and buried under the rubble of those pillars surrounding the beam, or buried under some other carnage from the Reapers' eye blasts?

I just want to be sure I have the scenario correct.

If indoctrination is the answer, that is really, really disappointing.

[greywardencommander]

sedrikhcain wrote...

Just so I'm clear on the indoctrination theory, the end result is supposedly that Shepard never left earth, right? He didn't reach the beam and all the events that supposedly took place in the Citadel never happened. So the Reapers won and the cycle continues, correct? So does it follow then that in the "breath of life" scene that Shepard is still on earth and buried under the rubble of those pillars surrounding the beam, or buried under some other carnage from the Reapers' eye blasts?

I just want to be sure I have the scenario correct.

If indoctrination is the answer, that is really, really disappointing.

If the indoctrination/hallucination aspect is correct, or they make it canon as a result (if they realise that they just f-ed up), the dlc would pick up where he wakes up  in the secret ending (the theory suggests it's in London after the beam hits you and still in London) thus they could say it was meant to be an internal mental representation of the indoctrination attempt (i.e. the stuff doesn't happen) which if you choose destroy you beat, if you choose the other two you're indoctrinated.

here's my idea for how it could work and still take into account your favourite colour and those that still even maybe want synthesis (some claim it's perfect) or control (perhaps the ultimate renegade who knows)

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9727423

[MOELANDER]

 Just tried the thing with the changing music on the crucible. As far as I can tell the musicdoesn't change to a triumphant tone when I approach the Destroy Option. Neither does it change when I approach any option.

[Lugaidster]

I'm throwing money at the screen but I'm still not getting a real ending

[JimboAdams]

Did anyone else notice the scars during the ending sequence, personally I healed my scars, and during the ending they mystically returned. This could possibly be another point, I mean Shepard received the scars during the Lazarus Project, by which he was implanted with technology(possibly reaper originated due to TIM) could the scarring that showed up again be a simple symbol of "old scars"(indoctrination). I may be grasping at straws, but I'd just like to point it out.

[Devils-DIVISION]

Here take it... Take it all! TAKE MY MONEY!!! Absolutely Genius! Read this people, read it!!! Specifically read the last few paragraphs and understand maybe BioWare really did leave it open...

Modifié par Devils-DIVISION, 21 mars 2012 - 07:50 .

[Erethrian]

MOELANDER wrote...

 Just tried the thing with the changing music on the crucible. As far as I can tell the musicdoesn't change to a triumphant tone when I approach the Destroy Option. Neither does it change when I approach any option.

I'm gonna repeat the last mission, in the article is stated that it only happens at the beginning and for the first time, I want to know if it's true or not. Still have hope.  Also, I guess they'll say something on 6th April.

[greywardencommander]

Erethrian wrote...

MOELANDER wrote...

 Just tried the thing with the changing music on the crucible. As far as I can tell the musicdoesn't change to a triumphant tone when I approach the Destroy Option. Neither does it change when I approach any option.

I'm gonna repeat the last mission, in the article is stated that it only happens at the beginning and for the first time, I want to know if it's true or not. Still have hope.  Also, I guess they'll say something on 6th April.

I really hope they're not planning on waiting until the 6th April regarding the ending or if they are TELL us they'll make a proper announcement then regarding the ending, then at the event maybe they'll even show DLC to prove the doubters wrong or even just say the fans are right it was indoctrination and that DLC will expand on it. Or even that the DLC they're releasing will explain the endings in more context ANYTHING

Modifié par greywardencommander, 21 mars 2012 - 08:49 .

[Lugaidster]

Devils-DIVISION wrote...

Specifically read the last few paragraphs and understand maybe BioWare really did leave it open...

I don't think you have to believe in the Indoctrination Theory to think it's open. That's a given. The why is entirely speculation, and even if you believe in the Indoc Theory, it doesn't answer really why. What would you put at the end? A replay of the last half hour? (ugh) The implications for the story are cool, the implications for the gameplay aren't.

[dorktainian]

heres one for ya.....my theory (apologies to anyone who may have already posted this)

The 'Secret Ending' of shep breathing in rubble is actually on Earth after he's been Nuked by Harbie. The ending was all a lie fed into his brain by Harbie to try make shepard believe he killed himself and destroyed the reapers - and buy time for Harbie and the reapers to do away with the forces in space attacking them and for them to win and finally create Arnold Reaper.. The Space Kid was created to give shep a familiar face to talk to.

However it didnt work as Shep eventually wakes up cos he's NOT indoctrinated.... What follows is the true conclusion to ME3.

I'll get mi coat......

[Lugaidster]

dorktainian wrote...

heres one for ya.....my theory (apologies to anyone who may have already posted this)

The 'Secret Ending' of shep breathing in rubble is actually on Earth after he's been Nuked by Harbie. The ending was all a lie fed into his brain by Harbie to try make shepard believe he killed himself and destroyed the reapers - and buy time for Harbie and the reapers to do away with the forces in space attacking them and for them to win and finally create Arnold Reaper.. The Space Kid was created to give shep a familiar face to talk to.

However it didnt work as Shep eventually wakes up cos he's NOT indoctrinated.... What follows is the true conclusion to ME3.

I'll get mi coat......

How's this not indoctrination theory?

[dorktainian]

Lugaidster wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

heres one for ya.....my theory (apologies to anyone who may have already posted this)

The 'Secret Ending' of shep breathing in rubble is actually on Earth after he's been Nuked by Harbie. The ending was all a lie fed into his brain by Harbie to try make shepard believe he killed himself and destroyed the reapers - and buy time for Harbie and the reapers to do away with the forces in space attacking them and for them to win and finally create Arnold Reaper.. The Space Kid was created to give shep a familiar face to talk to.

However it didnt work as Shep eventually wakes up cos he's NOT indoctrinated.... What follows is the true conclusion to ME3.

I'll get mi coat......

How's this not indoctrination theory?

sorry.. forgot to add the word 'ANYMORE' - after harbies near fatal blast shook shep out of it for some near death unexplained reason.

Sorry can't stop.....coats on now....

http://img254.images...89/shepploo.jpg

Modifié par dorktainian, 21 mars 2012 - 11:37 .

[froggeh2]

Erethrian wrote...

MOELANDER wrote...

 Just tried the thing with the changing music on the crucible. As far as I can tell the musicdoesn't change to a triumphant tone when I approach the Destroy Option. Neither does it change when I approach any option.

I'm gonna repeat the last mission, in the article is stated that it only happens at the beginning and for the first time, I want to know if it's true or not. Still have hope.  Also, I guess they'll say something on 6th April.

I just replayed this last night, you have to get to the top of the ramps for it to kick in. 
It's there, it's real subtle. 

[Cpt_Hook]

Just wondering, has anyone considered, that if we are indoctrinated it will not simply go away by itself? Maybe BW is paying close attention to the forum and social media and is waiting for the right connections to be discovered. Maybe we have to resist the indoctrination in this way. Maybe we are playing the game right now…

[Unlimited69x]

I like this. Really good points.

[dorktainian]

Cpt_Hook wrote...

Just wondering, has anyone considered, that if we are indoctrinated it will not simply go away by itself? Maybe BW is paying close attention to the forum and social media and is waiting for the right connections to be discovered. Maybe we have to resist the indoctrination in this way. Maybe we are playing the game right now…

WOW!!!!!    

[greywardencommander]

Don't know if anyone's seen it but in another thread it points out the Relays 'exploding' represent the brain either succumbing to (blue/green) or overcoming (red) indoctrination for two reasons:
1) the one-relay fires to two relays - fires to two more relays etc is like the neurons firing
2) it starts in the viper nebula which has only one relay, the Alpha Relay and that is destroyed by Shepard in Arrival. Why does the relay explosion start there then? It's because that's where the indoctrination attempt started - with exposure to the Reaper Artifact Object Rho.

Modifié par greywardencommander, 21 mars 2012 - 12:33 .

[Billabong2011]

Splendid analysis. Loved every second of it. It's a shame I don't think Bioware is as intelligent as its fanbase... =/ And they should honestly just grab it and run with it at this point. Be all 'DUH! That's what we planned the whole time!' ... mmmmhmmm. Likely story Hudson.