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[D1ck1e]

Correct. After a 5 minute debate with myself, I chose destroy. Now all I want is to wake up and stick my foot up Harby's ass. It's the right thing to do.

[Troffeltjie]

Good read.

[The Real Bowser]

0Sion0 wrote...

Good read, very well put and if true - if Bioware intended it this way.... then wow. Greatest mind****, greatest twist, best franchise ever.

Flipside: one would have thought they'd admit it by now and announce something - their image and financial problems are growing with each passing day. At one point or another that should start to trouble them enough that they would have to speak up and explain a few things. Hasn't happened so far..

I think they trust that we'll forgive them, and are holding it back for the sake of publicity which grows by the day.

What will make them announce it (or more likely, release it) will be when we start losing interest and giving up on them.

[Blarghonk]

"I, myself, am guilty of this. And now that I sit back and think about it, about the games, about Bioware, all I can say is if that this is right, if this is what Bioware intended… If the true ending is yet to come…"

I can understand what they were trying to do, still think they were wrong to do it, if that's what they're doing. Trying to make it deep and all, but I still don't have an ending and BioWare had a release date for Mass Effect 3. It was the 6th of March, and I still don't have an ending.. again cool in theory but you shouldn't make your fan base wait a month after release for the ending of the game.

[dbl219]

Qareen wrote...

It's hard not to be pulled in by his conviction. However, it just seems so unlikely that Bioware would be holding off on a concrete statement if Indoctrination Theory was their plan all along.

This is pretty much how I feel.  It's a far more attractive result than what actually occurred.  However, while there's certainly more than enough evidence to support the theory, the fact that it hasn't been officially addressed by BioWare, as well as some of the internal documents presented via the Mass Effect 3: The Final Hours app seem to indicate that the ending should in fact be taken at face value.

[GBGriffin]

The Real Bowser wrote...

I think they trust that we'll forgive them, and are holding it back for the sake of publicity which grows by the day.

What will make them announce it (or more likely, release it) will be when we start losing interest and giving up on them.

But it's negative publicity....they have a chance to make good, solid publicity and they're avoding it.

I mean..it's clear I can't convince you of the flaws in the theory. You believe it, and if it gives you hope for the series, so be it. Just...do your best to be prepared for the worst

[The Real Bowser]

Blarghonk wrote...

"I, myself, am guilty of this. And now that I sit back and think about it, about the games, about Bioware, all I can say is if that this is right, if this is what Bioware intended… If the true ending is yet to come…"

I can understand what they were trying to do, still think they were wrong to do it, if that's what they're doing. Trying to make it deep and all, but I still don't have an ending and BioWare had a release date for Mass Effect 3. It was the 6th of March, and I still don't have an ending.. again cool in theory but you shouldn't make your fan base wait a month after release for the ending of the game.

Without a doubt an extremely low blow move.  They don't want this game to just be successful, they want it to be unprecidented.  Legendary.  This is an extremely risky move, but imagine the reward... perhaps it's worth it.

[Unit-Alpha]

It makes no sense how the "Breathe" scene could even be on the Citadel at all. Besides the concrete issue, there's the fact that it was stable, which a rapidly descending and exploding Citadel would not be. Also, there is no way Shepard could survive an orbital fall, period.

[Alexius]

I find it an interesting read, and would really like to believe it as much as he does, but it still leaves one question unanswered: Why? Why would they risk the rage and the returns and everything the most fervent fans have done? If they had planned this all along, why not putting it in the original game and be done with it? Knights of the Old Republic had a huge twist but you could still play the game and get to its resolution.

The only reason I can come up with is the following: They knew they'd run out of time and decided to leave the game somewhere close to the ending where it would be easy for them to resume the storytelling and actually end it the way they originally wanted. That, however, I think is unlikely.

[The Real Bowser]

GBGriffin wrote...

The Real Bowser wrote...

I think they trust that we'll forgive them, and are holding it back for the sake of publicity which grows by the day.

What will make them announce it (or more likely, release it) will be when we start losing interest and giving up on them.

But it's negative publicity....they have a chance to make good, solid publicity and they're avoding it.

I mean..it's clear I can't convince you of the flaws in the theory. You believe it, and if it gives you hope for the series, so be it. Just...do your best to be prepared for the worst

I respect your opinion.  My theory is by no means flawless, but it's starting to come together and make sense when nothing else does.  This is the only way the pieces fit together for me.  Bioware is making some poor decisions, but they may all be rectified in this.

[Stevebo]

0Sion0 wrote...

Good read, very well put and if true - if Bioware intended it this way.... then wow. Greatest mind****, greatest twist, best franchise ever.

Flipside: one would have thought they'd admit it by now and announce something - their image and financial concerns are growing with each passing day. At one point or another that should start to trouble them enough that they would have to speak up and explain a few things. Hasn't happened so far..

If this plays out, then I believe what they're doing is allowing enough time for people to experience the end sequence.  Perhaps the month of April they'll release it *shrug*

However, the amount of attention this has drawn in, it's hard to say it's been "bad".  I mean the anti-ending group has garnered alot of support and media outlets who normally wouldn't cover gaming nor gamers are talking about it.

[Mushufasa1512]

Yeah I'm with a few others here in that I find the article very well written and reasoned, but the real life actions of Bioware just do not match up. Maybe they think their brand can withstand the fury for another couple of weeks until PAX, but if I were managing a major game compnay and witnessed this furor, I would at the very least let the fans know we were working on something for the ending.

[Unit-Alpha]

"And again, let me remind you of Saren, who allowed Sovereign to implant him, ‘improve him’, and through those implants was controlled and ultimately dominated, mind and body, even after he was dead. And Shepard has a few snazzy implants and cybernetics, too."

Who authorized and saw the implantation of Shepard's implants?

The Illusive Man. Who may have already (by the eyes) been indoctrinated and implanted pre-ME2.

[GBGriffin]

The Real Bowser wrote...
I respect your opinion.  My theory is by no means flawless, but it's starting to come together and make sense when nothing else does.  This is the only way the pieces fit together for me.  Bioware is making some poor decisions, but they may all be rectified in this.

I just posted this over in a different thread on the same topic, but why do people think that them rushing a product is out of the question?

f they rushed the product and ended up scrapping some ideas (which, again, they've admitted to scrapping the mechanics of indoctrination), then that's another explanation...it just doesn't fit what you've convinced yourself is true.

[RULost119]

GBGriffin wrote...

The Real Bowser wrote...

I think they trust that we'll forgive them, and are holding it back for the sake of publicity which grows by the day.

What will make them announce it (or more likely, release it) will be when we start losing interest and giving up on them.

But it's negative publicity....they have a chance to make good, solid publicity and they're avoding it.

I mean..it's clear I can't convince you of the flaws in the theory. You believe it, and if it gives you hope for the series, so be it. Just...do your best to be prepared for the worst

Controversy creates cash. They are beginning to walk a fine line and I feel they need to say something soon, but leading up to this I can understand why they haven't. When the uproar started about the endings, you better believe that people went out and got the game just to see what the fuss was about. I'm talking about people who wouldn't have gotten the game before. It is the idea of watching a movie you are told is horrible just because you think "It can't be THAT bad." This has created a bigger awareness for BioWare and has created sales.

However, with the Amazon thing and the BBC article and such, it is drawing time for BioWare to end their silence.

[BrotherlyTech]

I love it, and I hope that its right. Because otherwise, I'm left with a non-nonsensical ending that leaves a bad taste in my mouth(Although that's probably the vomit, from trying to understand the ending.)

[Unit-Alpha]

The evidence just seems so... there. Either we assume Bioware's writers went from amazing (Mordin, Legion, Shepard's legacy, etc.) to spectacularly terrible, or we give them a chance to give us the actual ending. I feel pretty convinced, the number of plot holes and visual miscues is too high for mere incompetence.

They knew how the game was going to end from the very beginning of writing the final script. This is the cue de gra of Shepard's story. It is not possible that they would leave it like that.

Alternatively, they may have just failed miserably.

Modifié par Unit-Alpha, 20 mars 2012 - 03:20 .

[Blarghonk]

The Real Bowser wrote...

Blarghonk wrote...

"I, myself, am guilty of this. And now that I sit back and think about it, about the games, about Bioware, all I can say is if that this is right, if this is what Bioware intended… If the true ending is yet to come…"

I can understand what they were trying to do, still think they were wrong to do it, if that's what they're doing. Trying to make it deep and all, but I still don't have an ending and BioWare had a release date for Mass Effect 3. It was the 6th of March, and I still don't have an ending.. again cool in theory but you shouldn't make your fan base wait a month after release for the ending of the game.

Without a doubt an extremely low blow move.  They don't want this game to just be successful, they want it to be unprecidented.  Legendary.  This is an extremely risky move, but imagine the reward... perhaps it's worth it.

I can understand them trying to "go against the grain", I certainly wont be forgetting this for a while, but just don't like the tactics they used. If they release a final dlc or whatnot I would imagine I would have to be atleast a couple hours gameplay. To force me through their marketing strategy just to get a 10 min ending would make it hard for me to let this go.

[Fulgrim88]

I want to believe.

But I really think it would just set me up for further disappointment

[lex0r11]

thank you for linking this, commenting so other people can read it too.

[SimonTheFrog]

Right, so this indoctrinating thing makes sense to me.

When can we expect that the game tells us what happened in the real world while we were being "seeing things"?

[ArkkAngel007]

Thanks. I haven't checked the main thread, but you should post it there.

Also, my fellow hold the liners, can we stop spamming the ReTake, Hold the line, and IT threads? This is fine, I suppose, since it's new material, but we really do need to stop spamming our views. .

[thebigbad1013]

BioWare did say that it would be difficult to get the "best possible ending". If BioWare intended this, then every single one of my hats is off to them. After reading this and watching the indoctrination video I'm more convinced than ever that the last minutes of the game is indeed Shepard fighting off indoctrination.

[Ilexias]

I was quickly enamored with the indoctrination theory after all the various stages of grief. I noticed various inconsistencies when Shepard reached the citadel, but I chose to ignore all that, because I believe there must be some sort of explanation. I even chose the 'green' ending and my husband even suspiciously say that the kid seems to want to lead you on to choose the middle one. Like my friend said, "Hello, it's a beam of light right smack in the middle, of course you would go for that first right?" I was thrilled, happy, and all the twits and little tidbits that Bioware fed only make me feel even more sure.

But 1 week past by, and very soon, another. My hope and belief in Bioware is starting to wane slowly. More odds seems to stack against Bioware now. They seem to be fully intended for this ending, even the seemingly accidental 'there won't be any DLC' slip from the facebook.

It felt like a huge emotional roller coaster ride whenever a good or bad piece of news comes in. My other friends have filed ME trilogy as a lost cause and moved on. Only I still obsessively farm through thousands of threads in here to look for a glimmer of hope. I feel like a jilted lover looking for whatever hint that Bioware will do the right thing and come back. Now i'm just tired. And I just want some closure. Bioware... It's either we are still together (true ending!) or we break up (I'm never going to get another bioware game again.).

Now I feel what the boys feel. sigh.

Modifié par Ilexias, 20 mars 2012 - 03:27 .

[Mitra]

Hehe, some days ago I was telling people the exact thing: BioWare indoctrinated us and The Real Thing is coming. When PAX starts, on 6th next month? Exactly one month after USA release. Bingo!!!

I believe that all of this was a big marketing trick from BioWare. I posted that days ago on several threads.

But still!, I don't approve it! I hate when someone want to play "games" with my person. I don't do that with others and I don't like when someone tries to do the same to me.
Remember game specifications before release, the game was supposed to be 15GB heavy, but why is mine only 11.2 GB? And I have everything installed (ME3 CE with all downloads installed).
Some players told me their game is about 13.8GB or something heavy, but their copies were with different languages installed (mine is only on English).
And remember, the game was released in Japan on 15th of March. Figures.

So, where is the rest?
It's knocking on our doors (I truly believe). And BioWare so strange silent when their loyal army is firing at them with everything they got....

But I will hold my line. I will not stop until I see the real end. Remember, one day we will tell this story to our grandchildren This is epic fight!

And BioWare, we are not so stupid, you know.....
But if I am stupid and this is all just product of my mind and it was your intention to destroy this whole franchise (and you don't give us our deserved real thing), well then.... My runaway train, here I come!