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[Hackitout]

Wow, this is by far the most convincing argument for Indoc theory. If true, Bioware may have just made the most postmodern video game ever.

[Alraiis]

Hadn't heard the bit about the music before. Makes me want to play through the choice again to hear it.

Quote for reference:

"The ‘control’ option is sinister, with a quiet humming dissidence [sic]. So is the synthesis. And the ‘destroy’ option rings brightly, a pleasant sound of uplifting hope and then fades away. It’s barely noticeable, broken by the jarring drumming sound, and it is only right at the start. But it’s there."

Modifié par Alraiis, 20 mars 2012 - 03:27 .

[joiner87]

If this is true, omfg, I would love them forever...

[Demarco09]

We are raging that Bioware betrayed our trust.
But we didn’t trust them.
I, myself, am guilty of this. And now that I sit back and think about it, about the games, about Bioware, all I can say is if that this is right, if this is what Bioware intended… If the true ending is yet to come…
…. Bra. ****ing. Vo. Take my goddamn money.

^ this nearly killed me with laughter..  very nice if its true:wizard:

[lex0r11]

Ilexias wrote...

But 1 week past by, and very soon, another. My hope and belief in Bioware is starting to wane slowly. More odds seems to stack against Bioware now. They seem to be fully intended for this ending, even the seemingly accidental 'there won't be any DLC' slip from the facebook.

you cann see it as a test on how bad the reaction could be.
that post and anything related to that on the BSN were deleted in what seemed to be just minutes of that 'accident'. PR people are paranoid people.

[Blarghonk]

Also, dunno if it was mentioned or I just haven't seen it mentioned but the save point after you finish the final mission goes back to before the mission, the game play time goes back and you're back at the lvl you were before doing the mission.

[thegame30]

I choose the destroy option on my very first ending attempt, and got the secret cut scene. When i saw Shepard in the rubble i figure i never got inside the citadel, but that just me.

[UKJackMan]

Thats why they are waiting because if they do say this theory is correct then there's only really one ending.Somewhere they have got all the figures for the choices people made, we are connected directly to them.

[thegame30]

Blarghonk wrote...

Also, dunno if it was mentioned or I just haven't seen it mentioned but the save point after you finish the final mission goes back to before the mission, the game play time goes back and you're back at the lvl you were before doing the mission.

yeah my last save is missing almost 2hrs.

Modifié par thegame30, 20 mars 2012 - 03:30 .

[Gibb_Shepard]

My theory of choice is that the writing team is fail. The fact that you can pull out so many inconsistencies that the only way to explain it is the "it's all a dream" explanation is testament to this.


This is epic amounts of fail on the ME writers part. They must feel so embarrassed now that there is a small cult who are absolutely certain that the indoctrination theory must be real, because the alternative is a mess.

[pro5]

This WOULD HAVE BEEN a brilliant move IF the game continued after making the right choice (Destroy).

As it stands - if all this is true - they ended the trilogy on a hidden cliffhanger, without resolving anything (Earth is not retaken, Reapers still exist and dominate) and without offering any explanation to those of the fans who DID pick up on all the hidden clues pointing to the indoctrination theory (Mr. Hudson's response seems to kill hope rather than support this theory, and overall Bioware remains tight-lipped).

Many people were extremely disappointed and some more sensitive people were driven to literal depression over such a disappointing ending. If this was all a PR move to impress us with a hidden indoctrination plot, well it backfired severely.

Modifié par pro5, 20 mars 2012 - 03:34 .

[WarChicken78]

Qareen wrote...

It's hard not to be pulled in by his conviction. However, it just seems so unlikely that Bioware would be holding off on a concrete statement if Indoctrination Theory was their plan all along.

They can not make a statement yet.
The game released on the 8th here and many people who weren't able to take holidays and have a social life, haven't finished the game, yet.

Now consider that the asian marked has released later, I think on 15th. Now add at least 3 weeks to that. 4 is more likely.
And after that much time has passed you might get a statement on it.

[Emberwake]

This is more or less the same indoctrination theory we've heard before. As much as I want it to be true, I feel as though its been fairly firmly concluded that its not.

On a side note, this write-up insists that the references were to subtle to notice, but I know I'm not the only one who picked up on what seemed like hints throughout the game only to be disappointed when they never paid off. Tell me you didn't go, "Oh damn!"the first time James asked if you heard the buzzing.

Hold the line.

[FKA_Servo]

I've been rooting for something like this since I first read up on all the indoc stuff. If it's true? A master stroke. I would even go so far as to offer kudos to EA for actually going through with it.

Here's to hoping at any rate.

[Mitra]

thegame30 wrote...

Blarghonk wrote...

Also, dunno if it was mentioned or I just haven't seen it mentioned but the save point after you finish the final mission goes back to before the mission, the game play time goes back and you're back at the lvl you were before doing the mission.

yeah my last save is missing almost 2hrs.

Hell yes, I agree! And people, do you remember the color of your screen when TIM arrives? Those strange shades from aside, like bleeding screen or something? And it wents out after you finish TIM (or he commits suicide like in my run).
Hehehe, I'm angry and sad in the same moment, but I believe that we indeed just have to wait a little more (AHHH I HATE THAT!)

[Nimrodell]

Why all the Reaper 'kill Shepard' fuss if s/he is indoctrinated? I'd rather take that end was poorly written with many oversights than having entire ME3 story marked as such. I mean, really, if Shepard is indoctrinated why Reapers go through all that trouble? Unless their devious uber plan was actually - let Shepard collect all organic military might and then when they're like fish in the barrel pew pew kill them all (even though they don't know if their unwilling indoctrinated agent Shepard will actually succeed)? And even when Shepard brings all organic military might in front of them, why not using then indoctrinated Shepard to feed Hammer forces false information or do even more damage? What's the point of entire Reapers trying to kill Shepard shenanigan if Shepard is indoctrinated? Story for the sake of story? Saren was in Sovereign himself, allowed him to put implants into him, TIM was using Reaper methods and Reaper tech, hell even Paul Greyson didn't last long against those Reaper nanites and Amanda Kenson was exposed for months to Reaper object... unless it was all devious plan from the very beginning, TIM put those implants into Shepard and actually the entire Cerberus team along with Miranda and Jacob were exposed to those implants meaning they are indoctrinated too... and those implants are so subtle that even Vendetta can't detect them as indoctrinating device - only reacts when Kai Leng approaches. And yes, if Liara didn't get indoctrinated while sleeping with Shepard and merging her mind - well, she sure got indoctrinated in that last farewell... wonder she didn't notice Reaper presence at all while doing 'embrace the eternity' thing. And it's funny, actually, 'cause even Shepard that takes that breath under rubble has 'Stargazer' ending, I guess, Reaper indoctrination works as movie - Reapers wanted our Shep to feel comfortable with becoming a legend, all along with seeing Normandy crash and crew mates going out.

Really, I do wish that BW takes this idea and include it 'cause of so many player here wishing it to be true... it might even happen, since people here keep pushing for it, but trust me, that wasn't BW's initial plan... It's bad and rushed writing and redoing things after that unfortunate leak. Shepard's dreams are what they are - PTSD and they change according decisions you made in ME1, ME2 and ME3... all those that died on your watch are heard in them, not telling Shepard that Reapers are good guys and that they are simply misunderstood... Those voices of people that died are actually saying what they were saying in game itself. Unfortunately, the end was just rushed and bad writing, bad concept, nothing more, nothing less. But, honestly, guys, I truly wish you get what you're looking for - ME3 endings done in accordance with indoctrination theory, but mind you, then entire game should be tweaked, 'cause again, we'll get inconsistencies and shallow plotline. After all, TIM did behave in accordance with person who is indoctrinated, but Shepard wasn't. James Vega may be wondering about hearing that hum in docking bay, but that hum may be from engines too.

[SilentWolfie]

Rofl. Seriously what is this... there is completely no concrete evidence whatsoever that indoctrination theory exists. It's just as easy to say Bioware screwed up, end of line. Rofl.

[Kamagawa]

The 2 major red flags for me were the god-kid and kid in airduct/dream were the same (except for glowyness), and when shep left hes body and was lifted into the control area of the citadel.
The blackness on the sides of the screen also made me think a bit.

I thought anderson could have sneaked past as I needed a glass of water.

The major thing is before ME1 was released, casey hudson said they had already planned the story for the whole trilogy, implying that the individual games could be modifies while keeping the original plot intact. I thing Bioware are more sneaky than we give them credit for.
I psycho-analyze stuff and the ending smells of planned indoctrination.

I could be wrong and Bioware should die.
Either way...i think we should wait for DLC or announcements.

Modifié par Kamagawa, 20 mars 2012 - 03:44 .

[Sylvanfeather]

Alraiis wrote...

Hadn't heard the bit about the music before. Makes me want to play through the choice again to hear it.

Quote for reference:

"The ‘control’ option is sinister, with a quiet humming dissidence [sic]. So is the synthesis. And the ‘destroy’ option rings brightly, a pleasant sound of uplifting hope and then fades away. It’s barely noticeable, broken by the jarring drumming sound, and it is only right at the start. But it’s there."

Same. I need to find out now too.


As for whether this is what Bioware planned all along... well, that's why I teeter between brilliant ending and 'not so good'. I believe if this is what they planned, they never intended to make the reveal - leaving it as something for the player to speculate over. Which is worst: creating a twist with no reveal, or revealing it at the cost of angering the fans that interpreted the scene different?

[Fame-KIllz]

I would love this to be true but I seriously doubt it.

[CarGryph]

It was my first thought when I learned about the ending: BioWare cannot just do that to us. They cannot be throwing everything important over board and make an ending that ****ty.

That's what I thought: They still have something in mind. That cannot be the end.

That's what keeps me hoping and Holding the Line.

BioWare, surprise us, blow our minds again.

Let Marauder Shields be right.

[Sharkey1337]

So am I the only one that can't pull up the link? I just get a "Unable to access network" error page...

[GBGriffin]

Kamagawa wrote...

The major thing is before ME1 was released, casey hudson said they had already planned the story for the whole trilogy, implying that the individual games could be modifies while keeping the original plot intact. I thing Bioware are more sneaky than we give them credit for.
I psycho-analyze stuff and the ending smells of planned indoctrination.

Drew Karpyshyn already admitted that the only thing they really knew for certain was the general idea of the Reapers. The rest, including Cerberus's involvement, happened along the way.

[MOELANDER]

First I have to say, I highly doubt this.
BUT if it's true I will join in that effing applause and tell my brothers that they can play Mass Effect 1 and 2 again, because the ending to 3 doesn't suck.

But we will see. Until that I will continue to hold the line and give BioWare a piece of my mind!

[Mitra]

Let's hold the line until BW reveals the truth.