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[Myskal1981]

I like to believe they have something up there sleeve. The first days this believe was rather strong. But now? After this backlash you cannot be this stubborn and keep your original announcement timeline. They need to announce something or this borders corporate suicide.
The first days they were giving hints via Twitter, now they just stopped and went to total bunker damage control.

Waiting because many players did not finish is not valid after two weeks. Besides, anyone not finishing the game will not come to BSN to get spoilered anyway.

Everyday they wait the more it looks unlikely they had anything planned.

[Lorakan]

GBGriffin wrote...

The Real Bowser wrote...
They believe that we'll forgive them.  And to be honest, wouldn't you?  

Look at all the attention this game is getting.  All the publicity in the most unlikely of places.  I think they want this publicity.  If this is true, then this game will be one of the most famous ever created, remembered forever.

The biggest reason I believe this is because Bioware is smarter than this.  They know that we would never accept this kind of ending, they are not stupid.  They wouldn't just ignore us and give vague or snide remarks.  The reason I believe this is because it makes more logical sense than anything else.

Forgive them? Hardly. It would mean I paid $80 for an incomplete product, and that they basically dragged everyone through this for nothing at all. Also, indoctrination theory does not excuse poor writing / storytelling. 

It makes sense...to you. It makes sense because it fits your belief that BioWare wouldn't "do this". Look at the developer notes, though, and the fact they openly admitted to scrapping the indoctrination gameplay mechanic. Also, the fact of the matter is that they're doing exactly that: they are ignoring us, and they are giving snide remarks, alongside allowing us to make suggestions for a better ending.

Now, consider that. Why allow people to make suggestions for a better ending if they have one planned already?

They admitted to scrapping the mechanic.  Not the indoctrination itself.  So the game plays like normal, the player oblivious to what has changed.

[Nykara]

Dusty Boy T wrote...

If this is what Bioware had in mind, they'd better fess up pretty soon. They're not making many friends by staying quiet...

If this is what they had planned they would have been working on the end DLC all the time the game was shipping etc so it might not be as far off as some people may think but either way I doubt we will know anything till it's ready.

[crimsontotem]

very well put, good read. However, it is the silence of the Bioware that I am afraid of right now.

Modifié par crimsontotem, 20 mars 2012 - 04:32 .

[Erethrian]

Myskal1981 wrote...

I like to believe they have something up there sleeve. The first days this believe was rather strong. But now? After this backlash you cannot be this stubborn and keep your original announcement timeline. They need to announce something or this borders corporate suicide.
The first days they were giving hints via Twitter, now they just stopped and went to total bunker damage control.

Waiting because many players did not finish is not valid after two weeks. Besides, anyone not finishing the game will not come to BSN to get spoilered anyway.

Everyday they wait the more it looks unlikely they had anything planned.

We still have to wait 2 more weeks...(Hope! April 6th!)

[sagefic]

Fantastic read. Seriously.

I totally agree. NOT because I'm 'grasping at straws' only. This isn't 'I don't like it.' This is Indoctrination Theory either is amazing and makes the whole thing come together OR the writers lost their minds in the last five minutes and no one seemed to notice.

The former is the only one that makes sense.

Does make me wonder though - there's going to be some very annoyed people if this turns out to be true. Nearly every "I liked it!" review hinges on having chosen synthesis. Heck, mostly of the major publications chose synthesis. I keep wondering what is going to happen when BioWare up and says, 'Good job. you killed all of us.'

Modifié par sagequeen, 20 mars 2012 - 04:33 .

[Titan_HQ]

Stevebo wrote...

This has been my theory of choice for the most part, and to add to it. The boy was in Shepards mind from the very beginning. Look at the part where Shepard watches him get on the ship. Not on of those soldiers around him even notices that he's there nor tries to help him get aboard.

Not to mention the destroy option is masked as "red" so you would think that would be the renegade choice and playing as a paragon throughout the game, you may believe that wouldn't be the correct choice to make.

In this case you as the player would be "indoctrinated", sure it's an original idea but honestly I'm not sure if it's something that they should have done (i.e ship an incomplete product.....)  Still, I applaud them if this is indeed, what they intended to do (it better be free or there will be riots lol)

Of course this could all be wrong, but I find it easier to believe in this and stay optimistic that there may be something on the way that will finish where this left off.

[MissOuJ]

This is a very good read. Also, let me join the author in

all I can say is if that this is right, if this is what Bioware intended… If the true ending is yet to come…

…. Bra. F*****g. Vo. Take my g*****n money

Please, you're welcome to it! To all of it! Take it!

Just gimme the g*****n ending. Please? Pretty please?

[aksoileau]

I've always thought the starchild was full of sh!t. Some of the indoc theory rings acceptable, but a lot of it is tinfoil hat stuff. The entire series has been about defeating the reapers, and I just can't in good faith believe that bioware would be douches at the last minutes of a 100 hour series and try and make us change our minds to work with the reapers through control or synthesis.

[MadRabbit999]

Liquoid wrote...

SilentWolfie wrote...

Rofl. Seriously what is this... there is completely no concrete evidence whatsoever that indoctrination theory exists. It's just as easy to say Bioware screwed up, end of line. Rofl.

If you believe there is no evidence, then you have not played the game or you don't know the lore.

@Silent

Once upon the time, there were pessimistic people, and optimistic people... guess which one you fall in?

[Erethrian]

Once our Shepards wake up, we'll completely destroy the reapers!

Modifié par Erethrian, 20 mars 2012 - 04:41 .

[Twistedfaith]

Wouldn't be suprised if they opened up with one of the generic Reaper screetches at Pax. Anything they've got to say; my money is set on it being then.

[Rusty0918]

The Indoc. thoery is absolutely perfect in my opinion. Dangerous move by Bioware but it's the perfect theory that fits into those last 5-20 minutes.

[SpelMalmer]

It would be glorious if the went back to Drew's original dark energy thing after this.

[Tibiilicious]

Amazing, i salute you good Sir/Madam, love this.

[ChampDude]

He raises even more valid points that should be amalgamated into the already huge list of reasons why The Indoctrination Theory isn't one to so easily and quickly dismiss. I really hope Bioware run with this, it's their best hope (and ours)

[BioChair]

Awesome read,

[m19z]

Very, very well put!
Interesting read and highly recommended for everyone.

[Aiyie]

ive been saying ever since i first read the indoctrination theory that it was likely to be one of two things.

first, and unfortunately this is the way im leaning, its player created, but bioware will adopt it as part of the fix to what was, essentially a game that was rushed out the door before it was fully completed, by their corporate overlords, i.e. EA.

or, and i really hope this was the truth because it would be amazing brilliant...

like the author alluded to, this is a genius meta-game move that would put bioware in the history books.

i always like to refer back to Bioshock and the "would you kindly?" scene.  that scene is meta-game philosophy at its finest.  its a game just as much about choice as Mass Effect.  but at the end, in a cutscene (the ultimate form of removal of control for a player)... you realize that the entire game you've been controlled, manipulated.  "Would you kindly?" is the control phrase.  You, the player, end up forced to do what you've been trying to do all game, but suddenly don't want to... because, as you're told in the cutscene... "A man chooses, a slave obeys."

if Indoc theory is true, and there is a real ending coming (especially if its free) that would be a statement about how easily players are conditioned and manipulated.  We've been conditioned throughout all the games to view certain things in certain ways (blue = paragon, music cues, bad guys, etc etc).

indoc theory throws all that on its head and, in my books, makes Bioware a visionary developer able to far exceed the simple pleasures goals of any other game developer before.

unfortunately... its not likely to be like that.  Real world finances and such just make it too risky, and... to boot, its very complex... and in the absence of information, the simplest explanation tends to be the correct one.

[m19z]

Forgot to say, it's also interesting to see how they won't let you lock your ending on a save file, as it was with the previous games...
I can see the use of the lack of that option now.

[beccathelion]

I mean, I am all for the indoctrination theory; I really am. And I'd like to think that Bioware DIDN'T screw the pooch. But regardless... if you are right, it's a huge gamble, and I'd say they lost in the long run. I don't want to have to buy DLC to get my ending, and the ending I have -- well, spending two weeks on forums to have huge, looming questions POSSIBLY answered is upsetting. Maybe if I hadn't shelled out $60, but, after 176 hours of game play from 1 to 3, I expect to be rewarded in some capacity (not a happy ending, but at least some closure). And I write this as a college-level English and Literature instructor.

[Juha81FIN]

I am not sure if it is mentioned before but seeing Harbinger (or what ever reaper it is defending the beam) leaving earth at beginning of the end sequence made me think there is something not right in it.

[Erethrian]

Aiyie wrote...

ive been saying ever since i first read the indoctrination theory that it was likely to be one of two things.

first, and unfortunately this is the way im leaning, its player created, but bioware will adopt it as part of the fix to what was, essentially a game that was rushed out the door before it was fully completed, by their corporate overlords, i.e. EA.

or, and i really hope this was the truth because it would be amazing brilliant...

like the author alluded to, this is a genius meta-game move that would put bioware in the history books.

i always like to refer back to Bioshock and the "would you kindly?" scene.  that scene is meta-game philosophy at its finest.  its a game just as much about choice as Mass Effect.  but at the end, in a cutscene (the ultimate form of removal of control for a player)... you realize that the entire game you've been controlled, manipulated.  "Would you kindly?" is the control phrase.  You, the player, end up forced to do what you've been trying to do all game, but suddenly don't want to... because, as you're told in the cutscene... "A man chooses, a slave obeys."

if Indoc theory is true, and there is a real ending coming (especially if its free) that would be a statement about how easily players are conditioned and manipulated.  We've been conditioned throughout all the games to view certain things in certain ways (blue = paragon, music cues, bad guys, etc etc).

indoc theory throws all that on its head and, in my books, makes Bioware a visionary developer able to far exceed the simple pleasures goals of any other game developer before.

unfortunately... its not likely to be like that.  Real world finances and such just make it too risky, and... to boot, its very complex... and in the absence of information, the simplest explanation tends to be the correct one.

Time will tell. I think it will happen. Thinking about it, we have to wait for them to address the endings and we should trust them once more, as I (or we) always did. If they eventually say that the IT isn't true, well, then the "rage" will start again, the Retake ME3 movement will grow (I'm sure). Shepard's story can't end this way.


Now, completely looking forward to see the reaction of the people saying this theory is bull***t. And the ending should be the one we saw. ^^ I still have hope.

[ergonomalous]

The other problem with the indoctrination theory is the stargazer scene. They are isolated on a planet that looks like the one in shepards indoc dream. They also do not have space travel. It just makes the ending feel like it's suppose to be taken at face value.