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[Facedesk]

Bioware should run with this angle even if they didn't intend to.

[cynicalandbored]

I LOVE THIS. It's so well written but I can't bring myself to think that this is what Bioware meant to do all this time. That all this is some sort of a meta-conspiracy. It's just too hard to accept the fact that they messed up the ending.

Also Final Hours app says different. Unless that is an indoctrination theory too...
...mind.... hurts.

[NikitaDarkstar]

Only thing not covered here is the stargazer part and I'm having a hard time fitting that into anything.... but yes it makes sense. Even if some are probably just visual design choices, like the Earth in the background of the Citadel.

[cynicalandbored]

Onpoint17 wrote...

Brilliant! Thank you for taking the time to flesh out this theory. However, I have one issue that I'm not sure was addressed in the dissertation. On Thessia the Prothean VI detected an indoctrinated presence which was Kai Leng. I think that scene made it pretty clear that Shepard was not indoctrinated. I believe in the indoctrination theory but I don't think it had happened that early in the game.

It has already been discussed here somewhere and someone said that he wasn't indoctrinated YET. That he was in the process of indoctrination but not yet turned completely.

Either way, I'd swap this plothole for the tons of others that the current ending created.

[mghjr6]

vivaladricas wrote...

And before anyone objects, a face’s expression isn’t just what it is in a video game. It is a conscious decision of what it is not. If you embrace the child, you burn.


The last couple sentences sort of dont make sense what the perosn is trying to say.  A face expression is not just in a game?  An aware decision of what is not?  Not really sure since the wording there is sloppy.  The rest of the article I read I totally agree with, and is well written.

*snip

It makes sense, but some people may find it weird to read. Basically, he's saying that in a game, the developers have to intentionally decide that a character has a certain facial expression. They have to program it to happen. So the expression on the faces of Shepard and the child in that scene looked the way they did on purpose.

If Indoc Theory holds water, then this dream is Shepard's subconcious knowing something is wrong and trying to warn him/her. But the meaning of this kind of dream is muddy if you don't even suspect what's happening.

There are moments when I look at this theory and I think it's too perfect...

[AlienSpaceBats]

amazing read, but all the hints dropped as to why Shepard may be indoctrinated could be down to sloppy, poor writing.

[Erethrian]

cynicalandbored wrote...

Onpoint17 wrote...

Brilliant! Thank you for taking the time to flesh out this theory. However, I have one issue that I'm not sure was addressed in the dissertation. On Thessia the Prothean VI detected an indoctrinated presence which was Kai Leng. I think that scene made it pretty clear that Shepard was not indoctrinated. I believe in the indoctrination theory but I don't think it had happened that early in the game.

It has already been discussed here somewhere and someone said that he wasn't indoctrinated YET. That he was in the process of indoctrination but not yet turned completely.

Either way, I'd swap this plothole for the tons of others that the current ending created.

Yeah, as a lot of people stated, if the protheans had such a "perfect" method to detect indoctrination they wouldn't have failed building the crucible. I like to think that the prothean VI just can, in fact, detect individuals that have reaper tech implanted.

Then, why the prothean VI states "Security protocols overridden"? I want to think that's not because of Shepard, but because of EDI, a robotic body built with reaper tech. So even if Shepard's indoctrination was "in progress", the prothean VI is unable to detect that.

[Golferguy758]

Great if true. I've posted quite a lot on the main thread but post here too. During the run to the beam, before getting zapped, there is a lot of rubble, but it.s all "clean". Once you get zapped therearetons and tons of bodies stacked up on the previously clear rubble.

Issue that I have is how quiet bw is. The silence is actually one of the main reasons that I'm nervous about the theory

[Doctoglethorpe]

*Sits back stroking beard*

Hmmmmmmm

Did not know about that audio que when your walking towards the choices.

Hmmmmmmm... hope for theory returning.

[RedShft]

Nice read. Thanks for posting.

[cynicalandbored]

Golferguy758 wrote...
Issue that I have is how quiet bw is. The silence is actually one of the main reasons that I'm nervous about the theory

They have to wait on EA to say something IMO. And also LOTS OF SPECULATION FOR EVERYONE may actually be what all this is about. As in that's what they wanted to induce, but something they'd solve in the upcoming weeks.

I pray that all this is a twisted marketing gimmick.

[Endersgone]

This makes me quite a hypocrite, but consider me now on the fence.

[comanche warior]

Hey BioWare hurry up and gegt this resolved already before you make yourselves look stupid at PAX this year.

[Golferguy758]

Cynical I agree, but it just seema like a really big risk. The.priiize just might not have been worth the risk

[cynicalandbored]

I wish they told us already though. I am really starting to lose interest in anything that Bioware does. So yeah, it's making me think that nothing is in stock for us.

[ergonomalous]

kinda makes me wonder why my EMS effects my dillusions. Also, with this you never figure out what the crucible does, how to activate it, etc. Does it work? Do you have to win the war in a dog fight? After the breath scene you have to write fan-fic in order to get closure for your decisions. Not what i had in mind when buying a game.

[wtbusername]

Doctor Moustache wrote...

*Sits back stroking beard*

Hmmmmmmm

Did not know about that audio que when your walking towards the choices.

Hmmmmmmm... hope for theory returning.

Is it true?

Have you tested it multiple times?

[ztonkin]

If this is their plan, it wasn't a very well thought out one, was it now? They've lost fans and money and are clearly trying to scramble to make something happen that will fix this.

I think if they really wanted to do a false ending and surprise us, it would have been revealed after the credits and we would then keep playing to get the real ending. Fake us out. Not this mess.
But then again, they are being rather diplomatic about it, aren't they? Not giving us an answer on a DLC ending or something like it. Kind of fishy, but it could just be damage control while they're panicking behind the scenes.

I'm not so sure on the "They planned this all along" theory, but my mind will be blown out my face if it's true. This was a really good read and is just about the best breakdown of the Indoc Theory I've seen so far.

[FlameAble_]

All the author did in "a few things of note" was attribute meaning to mistakes and cinematic effects.
* Earth is there because that is what we are fighting for.
* The citadel is the biggest and most powerfull mass relay of them all. The crucible was built through many many cycles by the races under attack from the reapers, makes sens to attach it to the most powerfull device in the galaxy.
* You are allowed choice because the creators perfect solution failed and when perfection fails, what do you do?
* Im pretty sure Anderson ask if you are there at first.
* The child was the symbol of loss and tragedy through the entire game, a dead child is still one of the most emotionally powerfull "things"(for lack of a better word) in our culture. It represented how the fight was taking its toll on Shepard, and how he fought with guilt over not being able to save everyone.

The author says BW wouldnt make these mistakes? Dead squadmates reaper in cutscenes. And what about the Normandy crash? Where does that fit in the indoc. theory?

Imo the indoc. theory is an act of desperation, in lack of answears and understanding you attribute meaning to that wich has none. Its a basic psychological funtion. Too me the indoc. theory is this:
"You walk down an empty road carrying a very heavy stone, in the middle of the road you suddenly notice a big bucket. What is it doing there? What is its purpose? Upon closer inspection you notice that the stone fits perfectly into the bucket, ergo; the bucket was made and placed there specifically to aid you in carrying the stone."

Time will tell I guess. If we hear nothing on the matter from BW then this theory is false for sure. They would never just leave an indoc. ending be, they will sooner or later give answers. I for one am not holding my breath.

[j78]

late as November, the developers were considering at least one drastically different ending that was eventually scrapped. The sequence would have seen the player lose control of Commander Shepard, revealing that he or she had actually been indoctrinated by the Reapers. This ending was eventually cut for technical reasons, as the team was having a hard time making the gameplay mechanic work alongside dialogue choices.    It just got cut they coulden't get it to work http://www.gameranx....versial-ending/

Modifié par j78, 20 mars 2012 - 06:04 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I still say if one has to think this hard about it for the ending of a story let alone one in a video game, it isn't there. They would have announced a DLC with the real ending by now, and they haven't. Why? Because the Indoctrination Theory is grasping at straws.

[IsleySilverlord]

I only know that I'm sick of all this speculation. If BW doesn't give me an official response this week, people will die.


PD: If I got caught I'll explain using Space Magic.

Modifié par asdoorip, 20 mars 2012 - 06:06 .

[TheMadBlimper]

That pretty much summed up exactly how I feel about the end, what I believe happened, and how I feel about BioWare. This is all assuming, of course, that this was their intention all along, and that has yet to be seen....

[KroganShields]

Looooool. I'm not trying to sound like a dork but my head literally hurts right now after reading it.. I feel really weird..
If it's true and Bioware has been playing mind-games with us all along.. Well, sh*t.