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[DogFaceMan_ac]

Like the title says. I feel this game was a major disappointment, and here's why:

-The graphics (on pc) are horrible. i have them at max and they look like nwn 2 and sometimes even worse. That wouldn't be so bad if the animations didn't look like they were taken from nwn 1. Everything from the way people's lips move to how characters run looks old and pathetic. After how good Mass Effect looked (yes i realize they are slightly different styles of game which different engines but still), i expected at least as good a looking game.

-The characters i've encountered so far are boring. Totally uninteresting in every way. I realize this is a matter of personal preference, but considering Biowares previous games, it is one of the more disappointing aspects of this game.

-Balance. Many fights are easy to only slightly challenging, then you come across a group of enemies in the same area which just annihilate your party.

-I bought the deluxe edition on steam because of the bonus items. Now i find out two of those items (Final Reason and Bergans Honor) i don't actually get as is implied on the website, but rather i have to buy them from the merchants. Seriously? I paid extra for some lame dlc and two extra items in a merchents inventory.

I have bought every D&D based game from Bioware and Obsidian, not to mention KotoR 1 and 2, and was considering buying ME2 after enjoying playing the first one on my friends computer a little. But i feel incredibly ripped off after buying DAO. Spiritual successor to BG my ass. I'm not buying anymore Bioware games until i've had a chance to play them first and confirm they aren't rubbish.

[Wretched Gnu]

Oh dear. This game hurts your delicate little eyes because there are better graphics out there? Golly, that must mean your face literally melts when you play the best computer games ever created -- including titles like BG2 -- because their graphics are clearly much much worse than Dragon Age's.

I guess I have to go burn my copy of Civilization IV because it doesn't look like Crysis. (Never mind that Crysis gameplay is about as interesting as Sarah Palin's bookshelf...)

And if your entire party is getting wiped on Normal, you're not using your head.

Modifié par Wretched Gnu, 30 novembre 2009 - 04:19 .

[Wild Maiden]

I agree the graphics were slightly disappointing when compared to other "high budget" games released recently, but they weren't terrible. The gameplay has balance issues and there are bugs galore. The game certainly could have been (and based on the hype should have been) better. The fact is Dragon Age is still a great game. It's one of few games that I've purchased recently that I've really looked forward to playing each day after work, and it's still keeping me entertained hundreds of hours later.



It's not perfect, and there are plenty of areas to improve on, certainly some of which can be called disappointing, but overall this is a great game. Stick with it and you'l see what I mean.

[Eurypterid]

There's no need to toss insults at the OP just because he's expressing an opinion you happen to disagree with.



For the record, I thought the game looks very similar to Mass Effect as far as graphics go, and in some cases much better. I guess that shows that tastes differ.



As for the characters, I feel there are some truly great NPCs in the game. How many have you run into and have you explored some of their stories?



The deluxe edition also included Warden's Keep, so you didn't pay for just the couple extra items. As to the fact that two of them are at merchants, I confess that threw me as well, as I thought they'd be free to your character.

[MingWolf]

I don't know how you can compare the graphics between this game and NWN2. I have both installed and the toons and everything looks quite well done. Perhaps not at the quality as you might see in some first-person shooters, but I find them quite nice . The characters I thought were pretty well done as well, no better and no worst than some of Bioware's past titles like Baldur's Gate series and Neverwinter Nights. As for the balance... well, quite honestly, I've had groups annihilate my team more so in games like Baldur's Gate than this one. Perhaps I am just used to it, but I understand the argument there.



And as for the DLC that came with your the deluxe editions... well, in some ways I share your feelings. Myself, I kind of expected more for the extra money paid. But then, for some 60 dollars of a game, I don't mind. The price of a games hasn't risen over the past 15 years at least, so meh

[Mordaedil]

DogFaceMan_ac wrote...

-I bought the deluxe edition on steam because of the bonus items. Now i find out two of those items (Final Reason and Bergans Honor) i don't actually get as is implied on the website, but rather i have to buy them from the merchants. Seriously? I paid extra for some lame dlc and two extra items in a merchents inventory.

I would like to point out those two items were free and came as a part of the pre-order bonus. The things you paid extra for was Warden's Keep, an hour long dungeon that adds a lot of neat little points and some extra decent loot and when you're done, you're a little stronger than you were before.

Anything such as a weapon or armor provided by DLC is sometimes just added to stores, but they never have forced you to pay for it.

[noseman79]

Just recently having played through Betrayal at Krondor I have to agree with OP, why can't games yet be photorealistic eyedrug?



Sorry for the sarcasm, I've had two little kids as interns in my company and gotten tired of their complaints about the old games I play when the business is slow.

[DogFaceMan_ac]

Thanks for your replies.



In regards to graphics, my objection is that a) this is a big budget, full price game (as someone mentioned earlier) and that it is the animations more then the low res textures which irritate me the most. I can enjoy a game with poor graphics. I still regularly play older games i loved which look horrible these days, but i expect better from a big name developer and a full price game.



As for the items, if they had just stated plainly and clearly that they had to be bought in game, rather then leading me to believe i would automatically get them, i wouldn't have been nearly as annoyed.



I'll persist with the game for now, but i'm really not enjoying it at the moment (though i am trying). I just don't feel (so far) that this a good game compared to other pc rpgs, even dare i say it, WoW, and i do feel ripped off.

[Kimarous]

Wretched Gnu wrote...

Oh dear. This game hurts your delicate little eyes because there are better graphics out there? Golly, that must mean your face literally melts when you play the best computer games ever created -- including titles like BG2 -- because their graphics are clearly much much worse than Dragon Age's.

I guess I have to go burn my copy of Civilization IV because it doesn't look like Crysis. (Never mind that Crysis gameplay is about as interesting as Sarah Palin's bookshelf...)

And if your entire party is getting wiped on Normal, you're not using your head.

You, sir, have made me laugh. Nice rebuttal.

[DragonRageGT]

Oh no, not again!



Adding to WGnu's ... watch some movies on youtube... there are strategy ones, tutorial ones and I'm making a party dialogue compilation which might change your opinion about the characters. (not the cutscenes.. for those there are movies as well and for great NPC's that are not party recrutable)



(I have it on max too and it looks really great for me and even compressed videos still look good on the tube in HQ)

[Wolfva2]

So, the game didn't live up to your expectations, and it's the game's fault? Operator error isn't something any game company can fix.



You're welcome to your opinion; individual tastes vary and this game may well not be to your taste. However, I have to point out something. OF COURSE the NPCs you first meet are boring...YOU JUST MET THEM!!! Ok spanky, what do you expect when you first meet someone? To know EVERYTHING about them? These characters have deep and sometimes convoluted back stories, but to access them you have to befriend them. Have you even tried to talk to them? Given them gifts? Heck, Morrigan is emotionally complex: I'd almost think Bioware hired a psychologist to write her up. Little girl, raised by an eccentric single mother who was emotionally distant and used her as bait...that'd screw up anyone. Sten? I thought he was annoying, until I actually started talking to him and got on his good side. After the game was over, in the epilogue, HIS response was the one that most touched me. Now, I'm not going to say you'll feel the same way about these NPCs. But if you're sitting back on your laurels expecting THEM to entertain YOU, then you'd better get OFF those laurels and work on making them trust you enough to actually TELL you their secrets. Just like in real life, there are more to people then you see when you first meet them.

[Kyrgsh]

Well, if you actually think WoW is a better RPG than Dragon Age, I'd suggest you play that game instead. No amount of conversation here will convince you that Dragon Age is a worthy game if you prefer the kind of "RPG" that WoW is.

[thisisme8]

Graphics aren't good enough and comparing it to WoW, all in one thread. This makes me suspicious of trollery.
Let's look at this deeper: Why would someone like WoW?
a) PvP
Playing online with real people and friends
c) Expansive world with no set/clear/linear direction
Why play DA:O?
a) Overall story, first and foremost (as with all Bioware titles)
Semi-Roleplay within the story based on how you imagine your character acting and the choices he/she makes in the gameworld (as with all Bioware titles)
c) Tactical combat system that yes, takes some thought, even to all the OP mages playing on Nightmare.
d) Story, again.

If you had more fun on WoW, maybe the reasons to play a Bioware title aren't reason enough for you. If you liked them previously but not now, maybe you've changed and an MMO is more to your liking. It's hard to compare the two as: Which is a better RPG, because MMO's and story bases, singleplayer RPG's are two very different things.

Edited got spelling.  How about a preview button, guys?!

Modifié par thisisme8, 30 novembre 2009 - 06:08 .

[Zibon]

DogFaceMan_ac wrote...

Like the title says. I feel this game was a major disappointment, and here's why:

-The graphics (on pc) are horrible. i have them at max and they look like nwn 2 and sometimes even worse. That wouldn't be so bad if the animations didn't look like they were taken from nwn 1. Everything from the way people's lips move to how characters run looks old and pathetic. After how good Mass Effect looked (yes i realize they are slightly different styles of game which different engines but still), i expected at least as good a looking game.

-The characters i've encountered so far are boring. Totally uninteresting in every way. I realize this is a matter of personal preference, but considering Biowares previous games, it is one of the more disappointing aspects of this game.

-Balance. Many fights are easy to only slightly challenging, then you come across a group of enemies in the same area which just annihilate your party.

-I bought the deluxe edition on steam because of the bonus items. Now i find out two of those items (Final Reason and Bergans Honor) i don't actually get as is implied on the website, but rather i have to buy them from the merchants. Seriously? I paid extra for some lame dlc and two extra items in a merchents inventory.

I have bought every D&D based game from Bioware and Obsidian, not to mention KotoR 1 and 2, and was considering buying ME2 after enjoying playing the first one on my friends computer a little. But i feel incredibly ripped off after buying DAO. Spiritual successor to BG my ass. I'm not buying anymore Bioware games until i've had a chance to play them first and confirm they aren't rubbish.

Yes, the animations are pretty bad.  This was easily the most noticeable fault when I started playing.  Other than that I think the graphics are fine (though items could use more variety.)

I think the characters are interesting, but I do miss the "unique" characters from BG2 that have special abilities that the class doesn't normally get (like Mazzy having paladin skills or Jan being able to make special bolts.)  Wynne gets one but that's it.  Why do you think they're uninteresting?

The balance is fine (played on nightmare,) but you need a balanced party as well while using everything at your disposal.  When I started a new game with mostly warriors I found that if your characters have to share loot between each other then you might have trouble.

Requiring bonus items to be bought from a vendor (this was actually done in NWN2 as well if you recall) makes more sense than just dropping them in your lap out of nowhere.  The dlc & bonus items are so powerful in this that it would more appropriate for them to be rewards from difficult optional encounters.

Modifié par Zibon, 30 novembre 2009 - 06:30 .

[Beerfish]

Eurypterid wrote...

There's no need to toss insults at the OP just because he's expressing an opinion you happen to disagree with.

It's all in the delivery of the message.  Rarely will you find anyone getting jumped on even if they are being critical if they post in a reason fashion.  No one should be surprised if other posters take offense to threads started in an obvious bating fashion.  Like this one.

[Bored Games]

I prefer the graphics to those of Oblivion or Fallout 3, but that's much to do with artistic appearence than quality.
If you want that over-lit, washed out hi-res look then maybe Assasin's Creed 2 would be good for you? Or maybe Uncharted?
It's a trade-off ; do you want them spending time on making sure the graphics engine is the latest, or gameplay?

Modifié par Bored Games, 30 novembre 2009 - 11:15 .

[Elanareon]

Well if you compare MW2 and DA:O. I must say that DA:O is the better game but MW2 looks better... But yeah DA:O is the better game... I'll just say that understand the mechanics of the game before saying those things.

[tanstaafl28]

DogFaceMan_ac wrote...

Like the title says. I feel this game was a major disappointment, and here's why:

-The graphics (on pc) are horrible. i have them at max and they look like nwn 2 and sometimes even worse. That wouldn't be so bad if the animations didn't look like they were taken from nwn 1. Everything from the way people's lips move to how characters run looks old and pathetic. After how good Mass Effect looked (yes i realize they are slightly different styles of game which different engines but still), i expected at least as good a looking game.

-The characters i've encountered so far are boring. Totally uninteresting in every way. I realize this is a matter of personal preference, but considering Biowares previous games, it is one of the more disappointing aspects of this game.

-Balance. Many fights are easy to only slightly challenging, then you come across a group of enemies in the same area which just annihilate your party.

-I bought the deluxe edition on steam because of the bonus items. Now i find out two of those items (Final Reason and Bergans Honor) i don't actually get as is implied on the website, but rather i have to buy them from the merchants. Seriously? I paid extra for some lame dlc and two extra items in a merchents inventory.

I have bought every D&D based game from Bioware and Obsidian, not to mention KotoR 1 and 2, and was considering buying ME2 after enjoying playing the first one on my friends computer a little. But i feel incredibly ripped off after buying DAO. Spiritual successor to BG my ass. I'm not buying anymore Bioware games until i've had a chance to play them first and confirm they aren't rubbish.

I disagree with you on all but one count. I too have nearly every PC-based game Bioware has ever produced because they don't disappoint me. They provide all the elements I am looking for in a hybrid RPG game.
 
For me, it isn't about splashy graphics, it's about the plot, storyline, and character interaction. It's about the whole package, not the fine details. I want a gameplay experience that keeps me engaged with room for expansion.    

In DAO, the characters have distinct personalities and each has their own individual agendas that are well-woven into the overall storyline.  The challenge isn't just about the fights, its about the decisions that come in between the fights.

I find DAO to be quite entertaining and fun. I was laughing when I saw how many voice-actors/tresses are big names in Sci-Fi shows (Claudia Black, Kate Mulgrew, Tim Curry, and Tim Russ, to name a few). 

The only thing I find I can agree with you is that you should demo a game you are interested in before you buy it.
Sorry you were disappointed.  

Modifié par tanstaafl28, 30 novembre 2009 - 06:24 .

[KirbySkywalker]

i can say that i would like some more party members, but it would take a lot more time and money to add them. a female warrior would be cool or a female elf and dwarf. a shady male mage would be cool too. i dont wanna make a spoiler but there is the one shady male mage that i wish could join.



as for bonus content, as long as people keep buying it the way it is, they will keep making it the way it is.

[Elanareon]

Bored Games wrote...

I prefer the graphics to those of Oblivion or Fallout 3, but that's much to do with artistic appearence than quality.
If you want that overlit, washing out hi-res look then maybe Assasin's Creed 2 would be good for you? Or maybe Uncharted?
It's a tradeoff ; do you want them speding time on making sure the graphics engine is the latest, or gameplay?

Nope i didn't like the graphics of Fallout 3, particularly the one you are playing with. Walks like a sissy with a broken ankle and a distorted body.

[Lughsan35]

Op is we todd did...

[Xaltar81]

Have you actually LOOKED at mass effect? Do yourself a favor and open up the game after playing DAO, it will make your eyes bleed. As for NWN2, same story.



I will agree that the graphics in DAO are seriously lacking in some areas but not as bad as you seem to believe. There are a number of low res textures mixed in with the high setting, the character models look like they suffer from sausage arm syndrome on both the unclothed model and the leather armors. There is a lot about this game that could stand improvement BUT, the gameplay is awesome and I personaly think the animations are pretty good in DAO. As for balance, I quite like the way things are set up.



Basicly, if you don't like the game thats your right but please don't make unrealistic comments about how this or that OLD game looks better because its simply not true. I installed ME again in antisipation of ME2 and I cuoldn't bring myself to play it the graphics were so dated next to DAO.

[Torias]

DAO is interesting, because the game changes between a close up zoom for cinematic sequences and perhaps exploration, and then shifts to high up isometric combat...



And bioware wanted it to be able to run on MANY different computers.



So they had to make some tradeoffs to make sure it would work smoothly at both the closest and furthest out zoom...

[Walina]

@ DogFaceMan_ac : I agree about the graphics, they could've been better, I was a lot disapointed by the characreator that people (newspapers) were liking it a lot.

I regret to have tried  Aion character creator before DAO >_<
Bioware could've keep the graphics of the game the way they're now if they had ut much effort on the paperdolls !

Modifié par Walina, 30 novembre 2009 - 09:04 .

[boe2]

I think I'll never understand. I think the graphics in DA are truly marvelous. Yes, I have noticed a low res texture at rare occasions, but when I play games I do this for the storyline: I talk with people, kill stuff. What I don't do is stare at walls to judge the texturing on it, that would be a tad bit retarded.
Not that it matters, because in the end: WHO CARES? Story-wise DA is an awesome game. I have actually lost a lot of sleep over this game, completely losing track of time because you get so drawn in by the game world. As mentioned above: NWN was a good game, Baldur's Gate/Icewind Dale were godlike games and their graphics aren't anything like what we are used to today (though, some BG environments still keep impressing me). Does that suddenly make them bad games now?
Maybe the OP should go back to playing shooter/techdemo #646312 if DA is unworthy of him due to the graphics.

Modifié par boe2, 30 novembre 2009 - 09:16 .