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[Walina]

Hey, graphics are just one of the bad points of the game, there is 0 reason to debate on it just because you disagree.

[Lustau]

This was my first rpg on the Pc and i have to say i will never comeback to pc rpgs.

If this is as good as it gets then theres a long way to go when it comes to the most ascpects of a roleplaying game. it feels so medival and im not talking about that its s a fantasy game but the gameplay is just horrid. it gives you a false sense that you are in control.

Or maybe its just me that have played to many rpg´s that i just thought that this would be something new.

[Joe Ronimo]

Lustau wrote...

This was my first rpg on the Pc and i have to say i will never comeback to pc rpgs.
If this is as good as it gets then theres a long way to go when it comes to the most ascpects of a roleplaying game. it feels so medival and im not talking about that its s a fantasy game but the gameplay is just horrid. it gives you a false sense that you are in control.
Or maybe its just me that have played to many rpg´s that i just thought that this would be something new.

One would think that being able to pause anytime and assign actions gives you more control than turn-based or non-pausable combat.

Could you elaborate on why you don't like the gameplay? And could you also list some RPGs with great gameplay? That way we won't have to assume things and can be clearer in our responses.

Modifié par Joe Ronimo, 30 novembre 2009 - 09:56 .

[Terwox_]

noseman79 wrote...
Why can't games yet be photorealistic eyedrug?

Because the hardware needed to run such heavy duty graphics aren't commercially available to the general public.

[xguild]

I find it hard to believe anyone things the graphics are "bad" or that the game doesn't meet some sort of standard, since from what I can tell it sets a lot of standards of how an RPG should be made. I can however understand why console players who are trying out their first PC rpg game might be disapointed. Console RPGS really do often come out considerably better (though it would seem not in this case if you read the GameSpot reviews which scored the console versions 1 full point lower then the PC version.



Still to say that Dragon Age is a bad game or disapointing.... Well, lets just say that the OP's opinion is a severe miniority.

[Solica]

The only thing I can agree with the OP on, is the animations. But hey, they're just weak. It's not like: "OMG it totally RUINS this CRAPPY game!" Actually, it hardly matters at all. An indifferent little detail. As for the graphics, I think they're fine. As artwork, stills from DA look brilliant. And I know what Crysis look like on highest. Though, again I'll agree that occasional textures look bad. Still no biggie. To me, it's a question of a more 'illustrated' look versus a more 'physical', photorealistic look. I'm not disappointed in the 'illustrated' look at all. I like it.

@Lustau: ?? I don't understand you at all. Are you implying that there are console RPGs that are worth spending time and money on? Really? Well, it just goes to show the wide variety of opinions. I'm wondering though, if you just haven't spent enough patience and time to get into DA:O yet.

From my own experience: I once vomited all over a game called 'Dungeon Siege'. And to be fair it is a rather trivial game. But for better things to do, I eventually picked it up again and finished it. And this time, much because I no longer expected and compared to Baldur's Gate, but rather took DS for what it was, I enjoyed it. Particularly the 'voyageing' and exploring aspect of the game. (The loot emphasis and inventory game I still found annoying). So what I'm saying is that your initial impression of a game can be very influenced by expectations and prejudice. MY advice is to stick with it for a bit longer. Try to discover the game in DA, what kind of game it is, instead of focusing on how it fails to live up to what you thought it would be, or what you wanted.

Modifié par Solica, 30 novembre 2009 - 10:20 .

[xguild]

Solica wrote...

From my own experience: I once vomited all over a game called 'Dungeon Siege'. And to be fair it is a rather trivial game. But for better things to do, I eventually picked it up again and finished it. And this time, much because I no longer expected and compared to Baldur's Gate, but rather took DS for what it was, I enjoyed it. Particularly the 'voyageing' and exploring aspect of the game. (The loot emphasis and inventory game I still found annoying). So what I'm saying is that your initial impression of a game can be very influenced by expectations and prejudice. MY advice is to stick with it for a bit longer. Try to discover the game in DA, what kind of game it is, instead of focusing on how it fails to live up to what you thought it would be, or what you wanted.

Ya I can attest to that.  I remember when I took back Diablo and told the stunned sales guy that it "This is the worst game I have ever played".  People couldn't understand why I hated it so much, but eventually I picked it up again and played it more then any game in memory.  Sometimes perception really are skewed by our previous experiances.  I played a ton of real classic and firm RPG's before picking up Diablo and I simply "Didn't get it".  Ya it wasn't an RPG in its strickest sense, but it was in fact an awsome game and their was certainly enough room for both types of games in my gaming library.

I actually often look back on that experiance as a reminder that you have to have an open mind to games.

These days this sort of closed minded thinking ruins a lot of great games.  Look at Star Trek Online..... its getting soooo much bad press right now because they aren't meeting some sort of preconcieved assumed style that trekie fans where expecting, and despite the fact that no one has ever laid eyes on it, EVERYONE on the forum their talks about the game like as if they are reviewing a finished product.  Its sad.

Modifié par xguild, 30 novembre 2009 - 10:40 .

[Lustau]

well @Joe Ronimo i kinda like pause game play but if you take Vagrant story that fighting has much more dept then DA and more tools to manage your combat.

And @ so far ive spent almost 40 hours on it, how long til it becomes fun? it just as stiff as a **** ****. i have no problem about the animations or the grafics, well they aint good and they aint bad. thats not the problem.

In this game i feel like im controlling a person that commands the other persons.

I cant feel for the person for one bit. its just a puppet. i want to be swept away and feel like i am the charater i play.

perfect exampel is FF7 that a lot of people has played. you felt what was happeniing and was drawn into the story there you where a great role in what was goin to happn.

[spernus]

Lustau wrote...

well @Joe Ronimo i kinda like pause game play but if you take Vagrant story that fighting has much more dept then DA and more tools to manage your combat.
And @ so far ive spent almost 40 hours on it, how long til it becomes fun? it just as stiff as a **** ****. i have no problem about the animations or the grafics, well they aint good and they aint bad. thats not the problem.
In this game i feel like im controlling a person that commands the other persons.
I cant feel for the person for one bit. its just a puppet. i want to be swept away and feel like i am the charater i play.
perfect exampel is FF7 that a lot of people has played. you felt what was happeniing and was drawn into the story there you where a great role in what was goin to happn.

You could just say that you prefer jrpg and be done with it.

[DogFaceMan_ac]

I can't help but feel people have clung to my criticism of the graphics and looked no further (perhaps because i listed it first). I could (and do) disregard what i consider poor graphics for a games price (so long as they don't hinder gameplay), if i find the game entertaining. My criticism of the graphics is prompted more by having yet to find anything to justify the price of this game yet.

I can think of many more entertaing things and games i could have bought for $65. And before anyone suggests i'm just skipping content, i'm the sort of player that explores every nook and cranny for any and all quests, treasure and npcs.

I talk to every npc, i offer gifts to my, so far boring to outright annoying party members, and yet have failed to find much inducement to keep playing (other then the fact i bought it).

I love Biowares other games and this is why DAO comes as such a big dissapointment. Clearly i am in the minority, but for once (well truthfully the 2nd time as i had no interest in Jade Empire either) i have absolutely no interest in a bioware game after having played it.

[Spaceweed10]

DogFaceMan_ac wrote...

Like the title says. I feel this game was a major disappointment, and here's why:

-The graphics (on pc) are horrible. i have them at max and they look like nwn 2 and sometimes even worse..

I stopped reading right there.  I'm betting the rest of this post is equally laughable.

[Solica]

Lustau wrote...

And @ so far ive spent almost 40 hours on it, how long til it becomes fun? it just as stiff as a **** ****. i have no problem about the animations or the grafics, well they aint good and they aint bad. thats not the problem.
In this game i feel like im controlling a person that commands the other persons.
I cant feel for the person for one bit. its just a puppet. i want to be swept away and feel like i am the charater i play.
perfect exampel is FF7 that a lot of people has played. you felt what was happeniing and was drawn into the story there you where a great role in what was goin to happn.

Well, I must say I symphatize with your feeling that a game should be immersive. I already now know that the things that break immersion for me are not the same that breaks immersion for you. But I also dislike game design decisions that I feel break immersion. So I now understand where you come from.
It is one aspect on which I like Bethesda's games better than Bioware's (I'm one of those rare RPGers that like both ) I grew up with games that needed a lot more imagination going on in your own head than explicitly expressed by the game. I just get my head around it. I knew DA would be a party control game. And I kinda wanted that, for once, since IWD2. It just goes to show again how widely different opinions can be . Because I think FF games are horrible.
But I do understand your want for immersion. We all want that I think. But there doesn't seem to be any consensus on what are most important details for immersion, or what is justifiable in the game budget. I just try to adapt. Then go on dreaming about my 'perfect' game.

[Unstepped]

Lustau wrote...

well @Joe Ronimo i kinda like pause game play but if you take Vagrant story that fighting has much more dept then DA and more tools to manage your combat.
And @ so far ive spent almost 40 hours on it, how long til it becomes fun? it just as stiff as a **** ****. i have no problem about the animations or the grafics, well they aint good and they aint bad. thats not the problem.
In this game i feel like im controlling a person that commands the other persons.
I cant feel for the person for one bit. its just a puppet. i want to be swept away and feel like i am the charater i play.
perfect exampel is FF7 that a lot of people has played. you felt what was happeniing and was drawn into the story there you where a great role in what was goin to happn.

Where to start here? so many temptations. Well firstly you can't really compare FF7 to this game, in my opinion (and many others) it is not in the same genre, sub genre -maybe-. Now before you say "Well it's only because you don't like aforementioned game" I have played and owned every single Final Fantasy on many different systems. Sure it's a good game... but story wise it's disjointed, irregular and broken. When you have to release countless other (awful) games and a BOOK to explain the story, then something is lacking.

FF7 is a good game, but you can't really compare the two, far to many other factors age being one. In DA:O -you- are the main character, not Cloud, you control how you want to be perceived, the backstory, your actions are yours as the player. I couldn't really relate to a spiky haired emo really.

On the game. I have noticed many similarities with Mass Effect on the graphics front. Some areas are breathtaking, it has a great artistic style, sure it's no Gears of War two on the looks front, neither is say.. Left 4 Dead 2, but I still spend many more hours on this game because of it's gameplay, the people, the combat system. It's supposed to be a lot better (graphic wise) on the PC, I play on the 360 and I am happy enough despite low rez popping textures. You can "feel" that time has been spent on this game and that is greater then any game boasting "supa mega gwaphics".

Long live DA!

[Boeresmurf]

ppl can always express there feelings... and game experience is different for everybody. BUt how can u say the all the npc's u have met are boring ?

with the ammount of VA involvent in the creation.. and the story woven between alot of npc's and the origin stories. there has to be atleast 1 npc that u liked.

cant expect shooter graphics.. but i must say that DA:O graphics are damn fine for a rpg.
and defiantly not at the same (lower) lvl as nwn 2.

and i really think that the mixx btween hard groups and easy groups is great in this game.. ya cant expect that every mobpack u meet in a room, use the same strategies/ are all same lvl and can be easily deposed of.

i for once was stunned and laughed damn hard, when i easly killed a (strong boss mob) in the (not mentioned dungeon), get over confident after the battle and 2 minutes later my party laid dead because i got tripped by a few easy white colored mobs (with overwhelm abilities).

always keep ur tactics straight even if u are a hero.

edit: forgot this is non-spoiler part

Modifié par Boeresmurf, 30 novembre 2009 - 11:35 .

[MartinJHolm]

DogFaceMan_ac wrote...

I love Biowares other games and this is why DAO comes as such a big dissapointment. Clearly i am in the minority, but for once (well truthfully the 2nd time as i had no interest in Jade Empire either) i have absolutely no interest in a bioware game after having played it.

Please elaborate on what other games that would be.

[bjdbwea]

The animations in NWN 1 are better than in NWN 2. Because they work correctly. A hit actually hits the target, a miss actually gets blocked. While in NWN 2, as well as in DA, the characters more often than not cut through the air and still "hit" their target. The animations themselves in DA aren't that bad.



Graphics are good, and the game runs fine even on older machines. That's very important for a lot of RPG players, and I think BioWare knew this. Good choice, I say.

[NeoOhm]

Maybe it´s your dogface that reflect on the screen in sunlight?

[Aidunno]

To answer the OP...

Graphics: In my opinion graphics in a game like this are only the icing on the cake. Graphics are there to enhance the game, they don't make the game. I'm pleased that this game handles things well, the interface is clear, usable and you can see what is going on without having to upgrade my system. My understanding is that the graphics on the consoles are a lot worse.

Characters: A variety of characters some of who you can get attached to. It can be frustrating when you get hit negatively when you do something they don't like but that is part of the game.  Each of the characters helped add another "dimension" to the overall storyline even when they were being annoying. Overall I found them interesting. It's a matter of taste.

Balance: Never found too much of a problem. Yes I had some occasions where I ended up over my head and had to change tactics on the fly but this added to my enjoyment of the game. The element of suspense helped enhance my enjoyment.

Deluxe edition items: Although I do not have the deluxe edition I find the additional items already in the standard edition can make the game easier, if not too easy. Doesn't mean I don't use them but requiring you to actually purchase them in game isn't too big a deal. In some ways I wish all DLC  had to be found in some way rather than being given to you at the start. Lets face it most "deluxe" editions do not even have additional items in game. It's the reason I never buy them.

I think overall, despite some minor annoyances Dragon Age has been one of the best game purchases I have made in recent times. It's rare that you get a single player game and even rarer that you get one that you can play for any length of time.

Modifié par Aidunno, 30 novembre 2009 - 12:21 .

[MR-9]

The textures in this game are about the same quality as WoW unless you're looking at someone's face. The faces are beautiful (although nothing like the concept art they are based upon) as are a select few objects but a lot of the environmental textures are garbage and some armor looks like it was imported from Neverwinter Nights.

[Gecon]

DogFaceMan_ac wrote...
-The graphics (on pc) are horrible. i have them at max and they look like nwn 2 and sometimes even worse. That wouldn't be so bad if the animations didn't look like they were taken from nwn 1.

Aha. Graphics. Somehow, thats almost interesting. No, really !

-The characters i've encountered so far are boring.

Hu ? Storywise this game is uber. The sheer mass of dialogues between your party members alone is amazing.

-Balance.

Yeah that one could be better.

-I bought the deluxe edition on steam because of the bonus items. Now i find out two of those items (Final Reason and Bergans Honor) i don't actually get as is implied on the website, but rather i have to buy them from the merchants.

With ingame money, so what ?

I have bought every D&D based game from Bioware and Obsidian, not to mention KotoR 1 and 2, and was considering buying ME2 after enjoying playing the first one on my friends computer a little. But i feel incredibly ripped off after buying DAO. Spiritual successor to BG my ass. I'm not buying anymore Bioware games until i've had a chance to play them first and confirm they aren't rubbish.

ROTFL are you even real ?

[Sibelius1]

Loetek wrote...

There are at least one of these lame ass threads per day. If you dont like the game good for you. We dont care nor do we want to hear about it.

Have a nice day.

The devs do though. They want to hear why people do not like the game. These forums are a vehicle to obtain criticism, as well as slabbering praise.

A more suitable response would have been:

"I don't care, nor do I  want to hear about it.

These forums are not just for fan(boy?)s.

Modifié par Sibelius1, 30 novembre 2009 - 12:37 .

[Heart Collector]

DogFaceMan_ac wrote...

-The graphics (on pc) are horrible. i have them at max and they look like nwn 2 and sometimes even worse. That wouldn't be so bad if the animations didn't look like they were taken from nwn 1. Everything from the way people's lips move to how characters run looks old and pathetic. After how good Mass Effect looked (yes i realize they are slightly different styles of game which different engines but still), i expected at least as good a looking game.

-The characters i've encountered so far are boring. Totally uninteresting in every way. I realize this is a matter of personal preference, but considering Biowares previous games, it is one of the more disappointing aspects of this game.

-Balance. Many fights are easy to only slightly challenging, then you come across a group of enemies in the same area which just annihilate your party.

-I bought the deluxe edition on steam because of the bonus items. Now i find out two of those items (Final Reason and Bergans Honor) i don't actually get as is implied on the website, but rather i have to buy them from the merchants. Seriously? I paid extra for some lame dlc and two extra items in a merchents inventory.

-GRAPHICS: I really couldn't care less about the graphics. I can understand you're wanting better graphics, but I'm personally quite happy with the game's looks. What could be better would be more expressive faces given the qualtiy of the voice-acting behind them, that's the only qualm I have with the graphics personally.

-CHARACTERS: I disgree, I like the characters very much, and whilst some of them do feel sort of "stereotypical", they are still unique and colorful enough to provide a memorable experience. I especially love the random dialogues they have every now and then

-BALANCE: Well, you shouldn't have let your guard down I'm sure some tactical thinking and maybe a reload or two should solve that problem. Just like in real life, you may suddenly come across a seemingly insurmountable obstacle!

-ITEMS: This is the only part where I will /facepalm. Seriously, why should paying for the items in-game be a problem? It's either pay for them at a merchant, or win them through a quest... Either way, you have to work for them within the game, not feel entitled to them just because you spent a bit of extra cash IRL. I understand the feeling, but disagree with it.

I really hope you manage to live with these problems and play the gamewith a more open heart, I find it really worth it, and personally haven't been this addicted to a game for years!

[MR-9]

The characters are quite memorable indeed. The superb voice acting is to thank for this.