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[Sylixe]

Ninjaphrog wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Unstepped wrote...

Dauphin2 wrote...

the OP has to be some kind of troll. The graphics in this game are the best I have *EVER* seen in any game, ever. I challenge anyone to come up with a game, past or present, that has better graphics. I really want to see it if such a thing exists. Which I doubt does.

I really hope this is some form of rather bad sarcasm else... it's quite retarded of you to think that.

It's a credible opinion.  DAO has better graphics than any other game I've ever played, that's for sure.

Look at the Elder Scrolls: Oblivion...THAT is awesome graphics...while the animations are quite abit worse, the overall visuals in Oblivion far outshines that of DAO.

Graphics do not make a game great and Oblivion is living proof of that.  Immersion into nothing and beating a game as a level 1 really isn't fun.  Morrowind however is a vastly superior game to Oblivion and in a lot of ways better than DAO.

[Haexpane]

Ninjaphrog wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Unstepped wrote...

Dauphin2 wrote...

the OP has to be some kind of troll. The graphics in this game are the best I have *EVER* seen in any game, ever. I challenge anyone to come up with a game, past or present, that has better graphics. I really want to see it if such a thing exists. Which I doubt does.

I really hope this is some form of rather bad sarcasm else... it's quite retarded of you to think that.

It's a credible opinion.  DAO has better graphics than any other game I've ever played, that's for sure.

Look at the Elder Scrolls: Oblivion...THAT is awesome graphics...while the animations are quite abit worse, the overall visuals in Oblivion far outshines that of DAO.

Who cares about Oblivion?  It's a different GENRE altogether.

[rmp]

DogFaceMan_ac wrote...


-I bought the deluxe edition on steam because of the bonus items. Now i find out two of those items (Final Reason and Bergans Honor) i don't actually get as is implied on the website, but rather i have to buy them from the merchants. Seriously? I paid extra for some lame dlc and two extra items in a merchents inventory.

This is about the only thing I agree with. I bought the CE Edition to find out that the 2/3 of the extra items have to also be bought inside the game as well. Not a major complaint, but it's still a pretty dumb way of doing it.

Modifié par rmp, 01 décembre 2009 - 12:02 .

[Volourn]

No, it isn't. They're both RPGs.

[Ninjaphrog]

Haexpane wrote...

Ninjaphrog wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Unstepped wrote...

Dauphin2 wrote...

the OP has to be some kind of troll. The graphics in this game are the best I have *EVER* seen in any game, ever. I challenge anyone to come up with a game, past or present, that has better graphics. I really want to see it if such a thing exists. Which I doubt does.

I really hope this is some form of rather bad sarcasm else... it's quite retarded of you to think that.

It's a credible opinion.  DAO has better graphics than any other game I've ever played, that's for sure.

Look at the Elder Scrolls: Oblivion...THAT is awesome graphics...while the animations are quite abit worse, the overall visuals in Oblivion far outshines that of DAO.

Who cares about Oblivion?  It's a different GENRE altogether.

Lol truthfully, both Oblivion and DAO are EXACTLY the same kind of game...they both have their flaws, although in my own opinion Oblivion made for an alot better game all together then DAO does.

Major reason why:

DAO ends...Oblivion doesnt!

[el86gr]

the characters are far from boring imo.
i just think they should talk more during certain plot points in cinematics and such,
and say their opinion on what u should do and argue with each other like in nwn.

graphics are not so good yes.
the models are bad, and their movement is probably the worst i've seen.
but if u put everything on max and any AA your card has as extra the landscapes are really nice.

music is nice, and voice actors good (except dwarves, they fuked those up, voice and looks).

the story is good as well. its a good game. i dont share your opinion at all.

and i agree that oblivion (with like 30 mods) was a much better game, simply because it was open rpg.
but u were alone there.

Modifié par el86gr, 01 décembre 2009 - 12:13 .

[ponsau]

Oblivion does end. I've played it. I used to love it. You can just keep going but eventually you run out of things to do, unless you just run around the countryside trying to find things to kill. But the story does end in Oblivion. That is why there is DLC. I mean Bioware is already putting out DLC so no worries yet. On PC there will be user made content I'm sure. So it technically doesn't have to "end" so to speak. I think the depth of story, especially with the separate origins, and the characters are better and more thought out than Oblivion. But thats my opinion too.

[Haexpane]

Volourn wrote...

No, it isn't. They're both RPGs.

Oblivion is a FP RPG free roam non party action with skill based leveling system

DAO is party based, linear 3rdp RPG w/ XP based leveling system and "choose your own adventure" moral system.

They are not the same genre any more than Diablo an Ultima are the same genre. 

[DauthdorianSilverstorm]

If this game has the best graphics you have ever seen then you need to replay Mass Effect. Take a look at rex and tell me that any of the graphics in DA:O are half as good ... Rex looks almost life like. That game is a testament to Biowares Graphical capabilities. DA:O was sloppily put together. There is no excuse to be able to see through people all the time in various spots. Oh and the Graphics for hair, if you look closely they just made parts of hair clear because it wasn't exactly what they wanted. You can see it when there's fire in the back ground, it is grotesque to say the least.



DA:O was a sloppy mess with a mediorce story.

[Sylixe]

DauthdorianSilverstorm wrote...

If this game has the best graphics you have ever seen then you need to replay Mass Effect. Take a look at rex and tell me that any of the graphics in DA:O are half as good ... Rex looks almost life like. That game is a testament to Biowares Graphical capabilities. DA:O was sloppily put together. There is no excuse to be able to see through people all the time in various spots. Oh and the Graphics for hair, if you look closely they just made parts of hair clear because it wasn't exactly what they wanted. You can see it when there's fire in the back ground, it is grotesque to say the least.

DA:O was a sloppy mess with a mediorce story.

Unfortunately for you, your opinion doesn't mesh with the industry standard.  Games today have to be HIGHLY accesible to the gaming community everywhere.  It has to run on just about every conceivable system with very little issues or you won't seel enough units to satisfy the bottom line.  Like it or not the gaming industry is run by guys who DO NOT game.  The days of games developed by gamers is pretty much over and is not likely to ever return due to a few large groups controling the industry.  If you want an example of this just look at the difference in the MMO's of today versus the ones that started it all.  Look at games like Morrowind, Bards Tale, Original Might and Magic, Pool of radiance, NWN 1 and Arena.  Games like that where it took more time to complete than you ever wanted to count are gone.  Now everything needs to be fast and rewarding from the go or the "Me" generation of players lose interest fast.  It's a sad thing to see but really there's little we the gamers can do because the people they are marketing to have the disposable income and will throw money at it like they do with their consoles.

Modifié par Sylixe, 01 décembre 2009 - 12:45 .

[Roxlimn]

So's Mass Effect, actually. Wrex looks nothing special - many of the Darkspawn have comparable looks, and his arms clip through his model all the time. ME has simple, angular structures with low resolution textures required. Gray on gray walls have that effect.

[B33ker]

People need to stop equating good graphics = good game.



Good gameplay = good game is true however.



I've played some games where the graphics were terrible, but the gameplay was incredible, and it kept me playing. I've played games where the graphics were jaw dropping, and the gameplay sucked, and I stopped playing them within a day.



DA:O has gameplay and story that keep me coming back, and that's what matters. I could care less if it was line art drawings, I'd still play it. Then again, I grew up on early C64 games and can appreciate good gameplay, unlike the kids growing up today that think how pretty it looks is all that matters.

[Soretooth]

DA:O rocks! Perhaps your rig isn't up to snuff to today's standards? I'm not saying it isn't, but that could account for low res images. Settings in the Options Menu could be set incorrectly. At first, I was somewhat disappointed with the graphics, because they didn't look like the advertised screenshots. I have two 8800 GT (512MB each) in SLI with a 3.0GHz Dual-Core CPU, yet the auto detect of DA:O set the video to High with no AA (What?!). I manually set the graphics to Very High and AA to 8x -- voila! -- much better graphics. Not the best I've seen in some recent games, but those games cannot in any fashion match DA:O for its awesome story, dialogue, and award-winning music.



DA:O is the most immersive game I've ever played. I'm not rushing through to the end -- I'm milking the quests and NPC dialogue for everything I can possibly get from the game. I'm hooked, big time, and I have never been so surprised and delighted in some of the twists DA:O takes (this game needs an instant replay feature).



Is DA:O perfect? Nope, but it blows other games I've played (including other RPGs) right out of the water -- no contest whatsoever.



DA:O also makes you "think." Did I make the right decision? What should I do now? Do I make camp, or must I rush to 'wherever' in order to save 'whatever' before time runs out? Decisions, decisions...and I love this aspect of DA:O. There are twists and surprises around every corner if you dare to brave it out.

[Wretched Gnu]

People who complain about DA's graphics have zero concept of art design.  They are visually crippled people who can only see pixels and "photorealism," but have no concept of design.

You just have to laugh when people claim that the totally unimaginative, poorly-conceived design of Oblivion or Crysis is better than Dragon Age's.  Most of DA's interiors and architecture blow away anything in those games.

If you thing DA's visual world is poorly evoked, you're probably one of those people who think a Tom and Jerry cartoon is superior to a Rembrandt painting because it's animated and has more color. 

Modifié par Wretched Gnu, 01 décembre 2009 - 03:27 .

[Dragon Age1103]

DogFaceMan_ac wrote...

Like the title says. I feel this game was a major disappointment, and here's why:

-The graphics (on pc) are horrible. i have them at max and they look like nwn 2 and sometimes even worse. That wouldn't be so bad if the animations didn't look like they were taken from nwn 1. Everything from the way people's lips move to how characters run looks old and pathetic. After how good Mass Effect looked (yes i realize they are slightly different styles of game which different engines but still), i expected at least as good a looking game.

-The characters i've encountered so far are boring. Totally uninteresting in every way. I realize this is a matter of personal preference, but considering Biowares previous games, it is one of the more disappointing aspects of this game.

-Balance. Many fights are easy to only slightly challenging, then you come across a group of enemies in the same area which just annihilate your party.

-I bought the deluxe edition on steam because of the bonus items. Now i find out two of those items (Final Reason and Bergans Honor) i don't actually get as is implied on the website, but rather i have to buy them from the merchants. Seriously? I paid extra for some lame dlc and two extra items in a merchents inventory.

I have bought every D&D based game from Bioware and Obsidian, not to mention KotoR 1 and 2, and was considering buying ME2 after enjoying playing the first one on my friends computer a little. But i feel incredibly ripped off after buying DAO. Spiritual successor to BG my ass. I'm not buying anymore Bioware games until i've had a chance to play them first and confirm they aren't rubbish.

Super troll 9000? NW2 nights graphics? really have you ever played a quick google search can confirm you're blind, retarded or liar.
 
Interesting chars, go play Oblivion or mw2 you'll find plenty well developed chars. Haha what a sad attempt to either troll or just cry like a child. Don't cry kiddy just stop posting & stop playing.

[Shappy1010]

Wretched Gnu wrote...

People who complain about DA's graphics have zero concept of art design.  They are visually crippled people who can only see pixels and "photorealism," but have no concept of design.

You just have to laugh when people claim that the totally unimaginative, poorly-conceived design of Oblivion or Crysis is better than Dragon Age's.  Most of DA's interiors and architecture blow away anything in those games.

If you thing DA's visual world is poorly evoked, you're probably one of those people who think a Tom and Jerry cartoon is superior to a Rembrandt painting because it's animated and has more color. 

Yet after finishing DAO I started my second run of Mass Effect. I was immediately clear how much better this game looks, animation, textures, lighting, shadow, it's all a notch above DAO. - Do I care? Not really, graphics hardly ever attribute to a game's longevity or cult status. 

Since I've been following DA development process from the start, it only confirms my suspicion that the game was mostly finished (far) before ME 's release, but was held back due to commercial or internal reasons. Bioware's takeover by EA only reconfirmed this. What DAO essentially is, is a game which would have looked awesome 2/3 years ago, but looks a bit dated anno 2009. - But like I said, I still think it's great, it's the game's general lack of novelty which keeps it away from a true masterpiece. Considering games like the BG series, KOTOR and Mass Effect (to a degree) were truly inventive at the time they were released, DAO is more a tribute to...

Modifié par Shappy1010, 01 décembre 2009 - 03:35 .

[Gecon]

I think its actually a good sign the OP even tried the game out. It means its that successful that even people who arent really into RPGs try it out. That means we have good chances to see DA2 one day.

And THAT is an uber perspective. After DA, I really want to see more of David Gaiders + other Biowareians writing and storytelling.

Modifié par Gecon, 01 décembre 2009 - 03:35 .

[Eurypterid]

Dragon Age1103, your comments are out of line. Please refrain from posting insults like that in the future.

[Ghandorian]

It looks good on its own, but compared to other AAA titles it is a bit weak. And for this reason alone I don't expect to see much more of the eclipse engine. I doubt it will ever be used for any other AAA game.



And this is where the dlc discussion really needs to head. Because that is all we will get for DAO unless there is some magical graphics update. Any further major installments in the franchise need to be better graphically and with more stability. So I suspect dlc is all we will get for DAO until they get something that looks and runs better to build games with.

[DarthRic]

DogFaceMan_ac wrote...

Like the title says. I feel this game was a major disappointment, and here's why:

-The graphics (on pc) are horrible. i have them at max and they look like nwn 2 and sometimes even worse. That wouldn't be so bad if the animations didn't look like they were taken from nwn 1. Everything from the way people's lips move to how characters run looks old and pathetic. After how good Mass Effect looked (yes i realize they are slightly different styles of game which different engines but still), i expected at least as good a looking game.

-The characters i've encountered so far are boring. Totally uninteresting in every way. I realize this is a matter of personal preference, but considering Biowares previous games, it is one of the more disappointing aspects of this game.

-Balance. Many fights are easy to only slightly challenging, then you come across a group of enemies in the same area which just annihilate your party.

-I bought the deluxe edition on steam because of the bonus items. Now i find out two of those items (Final Reason and Bergans Honor) i don't actually get as is implied on the website, but rather i have to buy them from the merchants. Seriously? I paid extra for some lame dlc and two extra items in a merchents inventory.

I have bought every D&D based game from Bioware and Obsidian, not to mention KotoR 1 and 2, and was considering buying ME2 after enjoying playing the first one on my friends computer a little. But i feel incredibly ripped off after buying DAO. Spiritual successor to BG my ass. I'm not buying anymore Bioware games until i've had a chance to play them first and confirm they aren't rubbish.

I find it funny how he complains about the graphics in DAO and that it isn't a spiritual successor to Baldur's Gate in the same post, because Baldurs Gate had such awesome graphics...

[Ghandorian]

Shappy1010 wrote...

Wretched Gnu wrote...

People who complain about DA's graphics have zero concept of art design.  They are visually crippled people who can only see pixels and "photorealism," but have no concept of design.

You just have to laugh when people claim that the totally unimaginative, poorly-conceived design of Oblivion or Crysis is better than Dragon Age's.  Most of DA's interiors and architecture blow away anything in those games.

If you thing DA's visual world is poorly evoked, you're probably one of those people who think a Tom and Jerry cartoon is superior to a Rembrandt painting because it's animated and has more color. 

Yet after finishing DAO I started my second run of Mass Effect. I was immediately clear how much better this game looks, animation, textures, lighting, shadow, it's all a notch above DAO. - Do I care? Not really, graphics hardly ever attribute to a game's longevity or cult status. 

Since I've been following DA development process from the start, it only confirms my suspicion that the game was mostly finished (far) before ME 's release, but was held back due to commercial or internal reasons. Bioware's takeover by EA only reconfirmed this. What DAO essentially is, is a game which would have looked awesome 2/3 years ago, but looks a bit dated anno 2009. - But like I said, I still think it's great, it's the game's general lack of novelty which keeps it away from a true masterpiece. Considering games like the BG series, KOTOR and Mass Effect (to a degree) were truly inventive at the time they were released, DAO is more a tribute to...

ME and DAO use different game engines. Boiware leased the engine for ME and did some expansion work onto it. But they built the engine for dao from scratch. Game development is all about the engine. It lies at the core of major game studios and defines AAA grade games from B grade games.

[Mordaedil]

Volourn versus Sylvius. It's like a match made in heaven. <3

[Wretched Gnu]

Shappy1010 wrote...

Wretched Gnu wrote...

People who complain about DA's graphics have zero concept of art design.  They are visually crippled people who can only see pixels and "photorealism," but have no conception of design.

You just have to laugh when people claim that the totally unimaginative, poorly-conceived design of Oblivion or Crysis is better than Dragon Age's.  Most of DA's interiors and architecture blow away anything in those games.

If you thing DA's visual world is poorly evoked, you're probably one of those people who think a Tom and Jerry cartoon is superior to a Rembrandt painting because it's animated and has more color. 

Yet after finishing DAO I started my second run of Mass Effect. I was immediately clear how much better this game looks, animation, textures, lighting, shadow, it's all a notch above DAO.

You're talking about rendering.  As do most who complain about DA's graphics, you may think the visual environment is only about rendering.   This is what I mean about people who have no concept of art design.  All they see are pixels -- as apparently does this guy:

It looks good on its own, but compared to other AAA titles it is a bit weak.

Elevating rendering over art design is like preferring Speed Racer to da Vinci beause it's more sparkly.

Modifié par Wretched Gnu, 01 décembre 2009 - 03:51 .

[pmaura]

DogFaceMan_ac wrote...

Like the title says. I feel this game was a major disappointment, and here's why:

-The graphics (on pc) are horrible. i have them at max and they look like nwn 2 and sometimes even worse. That wouldn't be so bad if the animations didn't look like they were taken from nwn 1. Everything from the way people's lips move to how characters run looks old and pathetic. After how good Mass Effect looked (yes i realize they are slightly different styles of game which different engines but still), i expected at least as good a looking game.

-The characters i've encountered so far are boring. Totally uninteresting in every way. I realize this is a matter of personal preference, but considering Biowares previous games, it is one of the more disappointing aspects of this game.

-Balance. Many fights are easy to only slightly challenging, then you come across a group of enemies in the same area which just annihilate your party.

-I bought the deluxe edition on steam because of the bonus items. Now i find out two of those items (Final Reason and Bergans Honor) i don't actually get as is implied on the website, but rather i have to buy them from the merchants. Seriously? I paid extra for some lame dlc and two extra items in a merchents inventory.

I have bought every D&D based game from Bioware and Obsidian, not to mention KotoR 1 and 2, and was considering buying ME2 after enjoying playing the first one on my friends computer a little. But i feel incredibly ripped off after buying DAO. Spiritual successor to BG my ass. I'm not buying anymore Bioware games until i've had a chance to play them first and confirm they aren't rubbish.

Ok this is a troll thread as the graphics and animation in this game are bettwe then NWN and NWN 2 for that matter, both of which were good games by the way.

Once again, troll thread why, becuase those characters were anything but boring. I died laughing when shale stepped on the chicken.

Troll thread again because of reason 3, your annoyed that the new content was not just giving to you and instead you had to earn it. So your idea of new content is just give me free stuff leave out all story and everything justt new stuff in inventory.

The graphics on this game are more then just aceptable there not crysis level but I still give them a high b+ the story character development options and voice acting are all superb.

[bjdbwea]

You need to understand that there's a big difference between genres. What do first person shooters have to them except graphics? Nothing. If they even offer a story, it's completely linear. You run through the levels, shoot lots of enemies, and after maybe 10 hours you see the ending. Most of the work can be spent on the visuals in such a game. A good RPG has much more that the developers can (and must!) focus on. Therefore, RPG graphics are usually not on the standards set by FPSs, but even a mediocre RPG blows every FPS away as far as gameplay, depth and replayability are concerned. And don't forget that many RPG fans simply have no need and no desire to upgrade their systems every month or two. That's also a reason why RPG developers better make sure their game runs also on older hardware than just trying to impress with shiny graphics.

BioWare hit the nail on the head when they combined a proven 3D engine with their own ability to make great RPGs. Any yes, of course Mass Effect looks better. And even though I personally don't need "fantastic" graphics, I prefer ME over DA, just as I prefer BG 2 over DA. I'm also disappointed with some things in DA and think it could have been much better with not even that much more effort, but I see no better game released this year.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 01 décembre 2009 - 04:09 .