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[Gigerstreak]

I want to believe!!!

[Dr_Hello]

An article to accompany the video: uninhibitedandunrepentant.tumblr.com/post/19344938387/mind-holy-****

[clicksqueak]

very well done!

[mackan__s]

WOW! This is, The most logical thing i ever seen.. I hope bioware is doing something about it, and that was the plan from the whole beginning.. THIS actually make sense more then anything. Now, let US have hope that Bioware have somthing going on.

[bluebaron09]

Fantastic video. All we can do is hope..

[mackan__s]

Everyone need to see this, even Bioware if they are lost of ideas.. I really hope this is the plan.

[Girlfrakker69]

jdbtoes wrote...

Hardly worth the effort, seeing as how the Reapers are winning anyway... No?

Do we actually see that the Reapers are winning the battle? Read the codex ... 4 dreadnoughts are able to destroy a capital reaper like Sovereign ... and the sword fleet is huge.

Anyway ... just finished my second playthrough ... will start a third with an all-new female shepard - try to make her a a real bit** ...

[Micah3sixty]

kondel wrote...

You do raise a good point. How come the Reapers did not indoctrinate the Prothean political leaders? They could learn a lot of information regarding secret bases which were not publically known, ie. Ilos.
If the Reapers managed to destroy the Crucible and the entire fleet present, conquering the rest of the Galaxy would be a walk in the park, rendering influencial agents such as Shepard largely irrelevant.

I love the indoctrination theory, it makes sense in an area which none had previously been found. Would someone care to explain the Reapers motives behind indoctrinating Shepard, what use could he serve after they destroyed much, if not all, of the galaxy's forces in a single, direct battle? Would it somehow be possible to use an indoctrinated Shepard to minimalize Reaper casualties, if so, how?

Javik actually mentions there were political leaders/factions from his day that wanted to dominate the Reapers instead of destroy them, just like the indoctrinated Illusive Man.  That is why the Prothean VIs are equiped to detect indoctrinated individuals, cause such existed in their time.

[kondel]

 

erhaps the Reapers tried a new tact. Miranda says it herself. Shepard’s an icon. People will fall in behind the Commander and follow him or her to death. Which they did in the closing of ME3, flying their vast fleets into the mouth of hell to fight and get Earth back.In doing so, Shepard did the one thing Saren failed to do; deliver the galaxy right to the Reapers. By being indoctrinated, Shepard has led everyone to their doom.

(quoted from linked article)

If the whole Crucible thing had merely been a plan to give the galaxy fake hope and assemble their forces at a single point, why not kill Shepard during the conduit run (the ME3 one, you know, where the whole dream sequence begins)? Had he not outlived his usefulness? Almost all of the entire galaxy's forces were at this point concentrated on Earth. This blog gives an excellent example of how Shepard could be a useful pawn, but not why Harbinger did not kill him when he made it for the conduit. Did he simply not see Shepard under all the debris?

EDIT response:

Javik actually mentions there were political leaders/factions from his day that wanted to dominate the Reapers instead of destroy them, just like the indoctrinated Illusive Man.  That is why the Prothean VIs are equiped to detect indoctrinated individuals, cause such existed in their time.

Good point! The Prothean VI on Thessia did, afaik, mention this as well. I still wonder what use the reapers could find of Shepard after the battle though. Looking at the clues, the whole indoctrination seems rather subtle before suddenly exploding into a very rapid one. As we don't get much access to Shepards mind aside from the dreams, I would say the indoctrination had yet to come far at this point (if it had the VI on Thessia would probably discover it). This kind of rapid indoctrination would leave Shepard useless after very short time.

Modifié par kondel, 20 mars 2012 - 10:20 .

[Jarlaxlecq]

wow that was brilliant! well done

[Micah3sixty]

Also, when fleeing Earth, before you attack the first Husks in the game and before you reach the balcony outside the room where you first speak to the child, you can look over from across the buildings opposite the deck and see the child standing at the very corner of the balcony and as you continue moving towards that direction, you'll see the child run into the building that gets blown to bits by a reaper beam/explosion. Anderson doesn't notice the child either before you reach the building or after when you find him in the vent. Nor does anyone on the Normandy, nor on the ground notice the child getting into the shuttle. If I can find a vid showing the kid, I'll post it, or you can just start a new game from the beginning.

[Dranume]

Wow, that is a well thought out video and I like it. the one thing I did not notice before were the trees and bushes... the first time I wanted to test out the dream theory, I put on armor that looked nothing like the default and colored it pink. Then after Harby's lazor o death.. it went back to default armor.. that is the first time I said.. wait a min... something aint right.

Thank you for posting this video, and yea I like it better than what we got. Awesome timing on the Voice overs.

[Jarlaxlecq]

mackan__s wrote...

WOW! This is, The most logical thing i ever seen.. I hope bioware is doing something about it, and that was the plan from the whole beginning.. THIS actually make sense more then anything. Now, let US have hope that Bioware have somthing going on.

serioustly, if Bioware is looking for feedback, looking for a way out, this is it 

[Jarlaxlecq]

bump, everyone should watch this

[Fazumar]

This video is amazing. The evidence is all there, so it seems... Whether Bioware admits that this is the direction they intended or it all ends up being one giant laughably ironic set of coincidences and plot holes remains to be seen... I sure hope for the former rather than the latter.

[Micah3sixty]

Here's a clip (starting at 6:06) that shows the child out of place from where Sheppard saw him just moment before from the window:

Modifié par Micah3sixty, 20 mars 2012 - 10:21 .

[Trishot]

That was.....very nice to read, I can't really think of a reasonable argument against the Indoctrination Theory.

[Archelle]

Did this game just go from the worst ending I've ever experienced, to the best?

This fills many holes. Not just in game holes, but Bioware's response as well.

Thank you, my emptiness is starting to subside.

[jdbtoes]

Girlfrakker69 wrote...

jdbtoes wrote...

Hardly worth the effort, seeing as how the Reapers are winning anyway... No?

Do we actually see that the Reapers are winning the battle? Read the codex ... 4 dreadnoughts are able to destroy a capital reaper like Sovereign ... and the sword fleet is huge.

Anyway ... just finished my second playthrough ... will start a third with an all-new female shepard - try to make her a a real bit** ...

It's more than reasonable to assume the Reapers can hold their own.
We don't have exact numbers of dreadnoughts. Hackett says to Shepherd that they won't win this war conventionally. And if it was as simple as saying 4 dreadnoughts can take down one Reaper... Well, what's the purpose of the crucible? Build more dreadnoughts instead of waiting vast amounts of time and resources on a weapon you don't know will work. 

[thejoyrider]

This is the first indoctrination explanation video I've watched and I too want to believe!

And all of that in the game makes sense...but everything else outside of it does not and that is what makes me dubious and not hopeful that this really was part of a greater plan....because if it was? The execution was done in such a horrible way I'm not sure it can be redeemed.

[Cerra23]

Thiamath wrote...

The destroy option could implie that you still have to activate the crucible, you still are on earth, there is still a battle to win, you have won the battle in your mind, but the big batlle it's on....

This is exactly how i see it too, that all this happens in Shephers head and that your still on Earth. Its a test of will, the wanting to fight (destroy the reapers) or giving in (either of the other 2) It leaves it there ready for the proper ending to come in.

[xsdob]

Please stop using long youtube videos to prove your point, only 9/11 truthers do that.

[Archelle]

thejoyrider wrote...

This is the first indoctrination explanation video I've watched and I too want to believe!

And all of that in the game makes sense...but everything else outside of it does not and that is what makes me dubious and not hopeful that this really was part of a greater plan....because if it was? The execution was done in such a horrible way I'm not sure it can be redeemed.

Think about that for a minute.  For something this complex, with so many that have not finished the game, you must remain silent.  It would be like announcing the surprise ending of "The Sixth Sense" before everyone has seen it.  

They have already told us many things that stretch the limits to this.  (Paraphrasing) "This isn't the last time we'll see Commander Shepard.", "If they only knew what we had in store...".  

Off to replay my other Sheps, I'm jazzed now.

[Sal86]

Why indoctrinate Shepard? My current theiry is:
Remember the Collector General? They want Shep as the Husk General.

[thejoyrider]

Archelle wrote...

thejoyrider wrote...

This is the first indoctrination explanation video I've watched and I too want to believe!

And all of that in the game makes sense...but everything else outside of it does not and that is what makes me dubious and not hopeful that this really was part of a greater plan....because if it was? The execution was done in such a horrible way I'm not sure it can be redeemed.

Think about that for a minute.  For something this complex, with so many that have not finished the game, you must remain silent.  It would be like announcing the surprise ending of "The Sixth Sense" before everyone has seen it.  

They have already told us many things that stretch the limits to this.  (Paraphrasing) "This isn't the last time we'll see Commander Shepard.", "If they only knew what we had in store...".  

Off to replay my other Sheps, I'm jazzed now.

I sure hope you're right!