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New Indoctrination Video. Very well done.
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#127
Posté 21 mars 2012 - 01:26
ManolisC
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I never post but feel compelled to say this is one well thought out video.
#128
Posté 21 mars 2012 - 02:44
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A very interesting video. It lays out the theory quite well and brings together all of the little things that people have noticed.
I'm going to through this out there. This is only a possibility, so if you don't agree with it, fine. It's just a thought I've had after reading through the numerous thoughts, posts, and videos of others.
If the theory is true, it presents a very interesting point. Someone who is possibly linked to the Reapers, but is able to resist their control. Independently breaking their indoctrination is something that has never been presented in the series. (correctly me if I am wrong)
The significance of this is leading me to ask a question that is presented ever since you find the designs of the Crucible. Perhaps even since Mass Effect 1 if you look at the series as a whole.
What is the Catalyst?
Look at what the word means.
"a substance that increases the rate of a chemical reaction without itself undergoing any change"
"somebody or something that makes a change happen or brings about an event"
"a person or thing that precipitates an event or change"
"a person whose talk, enthusiasm, or energy causes others to be more friendly, enthusiastic, or energetic"
and so on.
The answer becomes obvious.
If the Indoctrination theory is true, and we won't know until Bioware says something, assuming they ever do, than Shepard is the only one I see as filling that void. The one who brought the various peoples of the galaxy together in a united front against the Reapers. The only one who might just very well have completely resisted being Indoctrinated by him/herself. Someone who was missing in previous cycles, so even if the Crucible was constructed, it couldn't be used.
If the Crucible is indeed the only weapon capable of destroying all of the Reapers, and requires a Catalyst who is connected to the Reapers but not controlled by them. Then the Reapers could very well be undone by one of their most potent weapons. The links they establish through Indoctrination. A rather poetic way to destroy them, if you ask me. As to how it would, I can only speculate. One of the most obvious omissions of ME3 was the lack of explanation of dark energy, which is mentioned several times in Mass Effect 2. It could be that the Reapers themselves directly manipulate dark energy, and that the Crucible might offer a way of using it to destroy them. Or not.
It's been asked numerous times why the Reapers wouldn't just destroy Shepard. A fair question. Bear in mind that they did that already with the Collectors. Yet they still wanted Shepard's corpse for study. Heck Harbinger mentions this countless times in ME2. If Shepard is able to resist indoctrination then it could be a sign of organic evolution trying to overcome that process. So obviously the Reapers would have interest in Shepard. Which parallels the Salarians and the Genophage. The Krogan began to show signs of Evolving to resist it, so the Salarians had to modify it. If it was only one Krogan then they obviously would want that one Krogan. There is also the symbol that Shepard represents to all of the different races. I could go on, but I think most get that part arleady.
I'm going to through this out there. This is only a possibility, so if you don't agree with it, fine. It's just a thought I've had after reading through the numerous thoughts, posts, and videos of others.
If the theory is true, it presents a very interesting point. Someone who is possibly linked to the Reapers, but is able to resist their control. Independently breaking their indoctrination is something that has never been presented in the series. (correctly me if I am wrong)
The significance of this is leading me to ask a question that is presented ever since you find the designs of the Crucible. Perhaps even since Mass Effect 1 if you look at the series as a whole.
What is the Catalyst?
Look at what the word means.
"a substance that increases the rate of a chemical reaction without itself undergoing any change"
"somebody or something that makes a change happen or brings about an event"
"a person or thing that precipitates an event or change"
"a person whose talk, enthusiasm, or energy causes others to be more friendly, enthusiastic, or energetic"
and so on.
The answer becomes obvious.
If the Indoctrination theory is true, and we won't know until Bioware says something, assuming they ever do, than Shepard is the only one I see as filling that void. The one who brought the various peoples of the galaxy together in a united front against the Reapers. The only one who might just very well have completely resisted being Indoctrinated by him/herself. Someone who was missing in previous cycles, so even if the Crucible was constructed, it couldn't be used.
If the Crucible is indeed the only weapon capable of destroying all of the Reapers, and requires a Catalyst who is connected to the Reapers but not controlled by them. Then the Reapers could very well be undone by one of their most potent weapons. The links they establish through Indoctrination. A rather poetic way to destroy them, if you ask me. As to how it would, I can only speculate. One of the most obvious omissions of ME3 was the lack of explanation of dark energy, which is mentioned several times in Mass Effect 2. It could be that the Reapers themselves directly manipulate dark energy, and that the Crucible might offer a way of using it to destroy them. Or not.
It's been asked numerous times why the Reapers wouldn't just destroy Shepard. A fair question. Bear in mind that they did that already with the Collectors. Yet they still wanted Shepard's corpse for study. Heck Harbinger mentions this countless times in ME2. If Shepard is able to resist indoctrination then it could be a sign of organic evolution trying to overcome that process. So obviously the Reapers would have interest in Shepard. Which parallels the Salarians and the Genophage. The Krogan began to show signs of Evolving to resist it, so the Salarians had to modify it. If it was only one Krogan then they obviously would want that one Krogan. There is also the symbol that Shepard represents to all of the different races. I could go on, but I think most get that part arleady.
#129
Posté 21 mars 2012 - 04:00
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Interesting how everyone thinks Shep's indoctrination starts in Mass Effect 3. I was shocked that in The Arrival and Mass Effect 3 no one, not even Shepard, was worried about indoctrination when he was sedated FOR TWO DAYS in a facility with a Reaper Artifact that had Indoctrinated an ENTIRE ALLIANCE SCIENCE TEAM, including a good friend of Admiral Hackett. A team, I will remind you, who was so dedicated to stopping the Reapers, they had gotten very far along in constructing an asteroid weapon to prevent the Reapers' arrival, far enough to just have to hit "Start".
Now, if the Indoctrination theory holds up, Shep's indoctrination had already started. In ME3 it's in the early stages, but as he's exposed to more and more Reapers and Reaper tech (more so than in the other games combined) it takes its toll exponentially in the form of the little kid hallucination throughout the game. The kid represents Shepard's hope, and the reapers use the child's image to demoralize Shepard to try and get him to give in.
The final stage of indoctrination comes after harbinger's beam and plays out in Shep's subconscious.
My main issues with the Indoctrination theory are this: 1) What happens after Shep wakes up? Seems like more than a DLC's worth of material. 2) If an expansion/DLC is released that explains or expands the ending, and it was all in Shep's mind, won't it be redundant to show down with TIM again?
Now, if the Indoctrination theory holds up, Shep's indoctrination had already started. In ME3 it's in the early stages, but as he's exposed to more and more Reapers and Reaper tech (more so than in the other games combined) it takes its toll exponentially in the form of the little kid hallucination throughout the game. The kid represents Shepard's hope, and the reapers use the child's image to demoralize Shepard to try and get him to give in.
The final stage of indoctrination comes after harbinger's beam and plays out in Shep's subconscious.
My main issues with the Indoctrination theory are this: 1) What happens after Shep wakes up? Seems like more than a DLC's worth of material. 2) If an expansion/DLC is released that explains or expands the ending, and it was all in Shep's mind, won't it be redundant to show down with TIM again?
#130
Posté 21 mars 2012 - 07:09
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Mikeuicus wrote...
My main issues with the Indoctrination theory are this: 1) What happens after Shep wakes up? Seems like more than a DLC's worth of material. 2) If an expansion/DLC is released that explains or expands the ending, and it was all in Shep's mind, won't it be redundant to show down with TIM again?
Exactly my thoughts, too. Its good to see that others have the some popints like myself. TIM will still exist in this scenario - and he turned out to an enemy. (humanity Saren)
Modifié par LadyAly, 21 mars 2012 - 07:16 .
#131
Posté 21 mars 2012 - 10:38
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Just a thought on how TIM would come into effect in a proper ending. Im in the train of thought that the ending we have is a mere prelude to the actual ending, that Sheperd is still on Earth, unconcious and noone has gotten into the Citadel yet.
If TIM is indeed so far along the indoctrination process, as we can believe he is would it be plausable to assume that Harbinger (who I maintain is THE badguy of the series) take over TIM and use an avatar to confront Sheperd in the final battle. Imagine if you will that somehow TIM is onboard the Citadel somehow, perhaps he was lead into it by Harbinger when your attacking the Cerberas base, and Like LadyAly said about Saren, whose dead body is used to attack Sheperd at the end of ME1, Harbinger uses TIM in ME3 final battle.
It sort of goes full circle doesnt it?
If TIM is indeed so far along the indoctrination process, as we can believe he is would it be plausable to assume that Harbinger (who I maintain is THE badguy of the series) take over TIM and use an avatar to confront Sheperd in the final battle. Imagine if you will that somehow TIM is onboard the Citadel somehow, perhaps he was lead into it by Harbinger when your attacking the Cerberas base, and Like LadyAly said about Saren, whose dead body is used to attack Sheperd at the end of ME1, Harbinger uses TIM in ME3 final battle.
It sort of goes full circle doesnt it?
#132
Posté 21 mars 2012 - 12:32
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Seriously peeps, the Reapers main weapon is Indoctrination, if they can they would rather control and absorb everything instead of just destroying it. The Reapers have been trying to Indoctrinate Sheperd at least since he defeated Saren and stopped Sovereign, when he did that he proved he was of value to them, alive. The Indoctrination didn't just start in three, it just becomes more prominent as you near the end and the Reapers become more desperate.
#133
Posté 21 mars 2012 - 01:39
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The indoctrination theory is a convincing explanation of everything that happens on the Citadel, but...
it does not explain the explosions, the crash landing, or the old man. Perhaps the explosions and the crash landing are Shepard dreaming a happy ending, but the old man? Why would Shepard dream about himself being remembered as a hero? That seems too vain for Commander Shepard.
But more importantly, if the indoctrination theory is true, Bioware deliberately sold us a game that has no ending. The reapers are not yet defeated. The war is not yet over. Does that mean that we have to buy more DLC or more games (minus Shepard) to finish the story? Does that mean that the ending was setting up a Mass Effect: War of the Reapers MMO/TPS/RTS?
In some ways, that would be even worse.
it does not explain the explosions, the crash landing, or the old man. Perhaps the explosions and the crash landing are Shepard dreaming a happy ending, but the old man? Why would Shepard dream about himself being remembered as a hero? That seems too vain for Commander Shepard.
But more importantly, if the indoctrination theory is true, Bioware deliberately sold us a game that has no ending. The reapers are not yet defeated. The war is not yet over. Does that mean that we have to buy more DLC or more games (minus Shepard) to finish the story? Does that mean that the ending was setting up a Mass Effect: War of the Reapers MMO/TPS/RTS?
In some ways, that would be even worse.
#134
Posté 21 mars 2012 - 02:59
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Team Value wrote...
The indoctrination theory is a convincing explanation of everything that happens on the Citadel, but...
it does not explain the explosions, the crash landing, or the old man. Perhaps the explosions and the crash landing are Shepard dreaming a happy ending, but the old man? Why would Shepard dream about himself being remembered as a hero? That seems too vain for Commander Shepard.
But more importantly, if the indoctrination theory is true, Bioware deliberately sold us a game that has no ending. The reapers are not yet defeated. The war is not yet over. Does that mean that we have to buy more DLC or more games (minus Shepard) to finish the story? Does that mean that the ending was setting up a Mass Effect: War of the Reapers MMO/TPS/RTS?
In some ways, that would be even worse.
Who knows, it might just be an open ended game? That is, in my opinion, the best case scenario. Sadly EA will most likely try to milk it some more.
