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[Baronesa]

Schrijver wrote...

Trishot wrote...

I got peace between them in my playthrough if not, I would have chosen the Geth, the Quarians are the ones who started it all to begin with. Yes, I would have chosen the Geth even though I romanced Tali

But why? Quarians never attacked you in previous games and they suffered enough for their mistake. Legion is a nice mascotte for the Geth, but other than that, they are all stupid machines that keep being used by the Reapers.

By that logic.

Kill all Krogan, remember how they attacked you on ME1 and 2?

Kill all Salarians! they were part of the many gangs that attacked you on ME2

Kill all Turians! ohhh those Blue Sun guys... really bad, right? How they attacked you on ME2, or tried to keep you in Purgatory

Kill all Asari... remember those who attacked you on ME2?

and of course... kill all humans... after all... Cerberus is bad

[Vaktathi]

Schrijver wrote...

But they are just machines. Quarians are living beings.

And this shows you missed the entire point of the Geth. They aren't machines. They're software. They're software that, when linked, achieves a level of self awareness and consciousness as real and tangible as any *organic*, even if it is different. They *are* living beings, just *different* life. They're not not flesh and blood, that doesn't mean they aren't life.

[Tapkomet]

I chose peace, of which I'm definitely glad, but the lack of "Destroy both factions" was a disapp... oh wait, you still kill them when the relays blow.

[justafan]

I felt no guilt using red space magic because by ME3 I lost what little trust i had for the geth. First off, they sided with the bloody reapers, and that loses them a lot of credibility in my book. Sure they had fairly good reasons, but Saren showed us that it is better to be dead than a slave of the reapers. Secondly, what happened to the whole "geth build their own future" thing? Legion sees reaper tech that can improve geth sentience and jumps on it. Does this mean that the only thing that kept the orthodox geth from joining the heretics in ME1 was that Sovereign's offer wasnt good enough instead of a strong moral guideline? All this proves is that the geth are just as hypocritical as organics, but it made their sacrifice a little more bearable. After all, I'm sure they would agree that red was the only way for the galaxy to build its own future, something they would have aspired to.

[BigEvil]

Kill everybody in the galaxy. No speculation, because everyone is dead.

It wasn't helpful but I said it anyway.

[Zing Freelancer]

Schrijver wrote...

Yes, Legion was cool. But come on. The Geth killed a lot of good people in the first game. Okay, you find out they had this heretic virus, but then in part three they fall under Reaper control again (fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice...)! AI's are dangerous anyway. The Geth can become the next Reapers.

I mainly played paragon, but I always made the anti-Geth decisions. Destroying the heretics, siding with Tali and destroying the rest of them in ME3. Twice even, if there were any left the red explosion finished all of them.

I think it's only logical to kill all Geth when you get the chance. All of your crew except for EDI are positive about it.

Geth had a disagreement, some broke off the network and went to start their own nation, find their own future. Humans had disagreements too, killed a lot of good people, even so we don't genocide each other do we?

Making the choice to exterminate or not to exterminate Geth is, a choice.

[Baronesa]

Geth are sentient beings, that just happen to be synthetics...

"Does this unit have a soul?"

Even though I don't accept the concept of a soul as valid, it can be read as being self aware. Geth and EDI are truly alive.

[Renew81]

does it matter i would not kill all the geth..

but then a ghost appeared and told me , you got 3 optionsd screw the galaxy
and eveything in it with a blue , green or red explosion.

[suusuuu]

[KMYash]

Yttrian wrote...

suusuuu wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

Kill all humans.

with synthetics

To stop organics being killed.

by synthetics

[Fogg]

Deflagratio wrote...

Turians killed more Humans than the Geth during the First Contact War, we should kill all Turians first since they're the biggest threat.

No wait. Centuries before humans discovered FTL, humans were killing eachother by the million. Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin alone killed more people than most backwater planetary colony populations, ergo, we should kill all humans because they are the biggest threat.

Turians killed 600 to 700 humans in the First Contact War and suffered more losses themselves. But you consider Geth to be equal to living beings, even worth more than animals then. That's wrong. From my Shepard's perspective that is.

[nevar00]

You didn't do the Geth Fighter Ships mission, did you?

[Red Dust]

Schrijver wrote...

Deflagratio wrote...

Turians killed more Humans than the Geth during the First Contact War, we should kill all Turians first since they're the biggest threat.

No wait. Centuries before humans discovered FTL, humans were killing eachother by the million. Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin alone killed more people than most backwater planetary colony populations, ergo, we should kill all humans because they are the biggest threat.

Turians killed 600 to 700 humans in the First Contact War and suffered more losses themselves. But you consider Geth to be equal to living beings, even worth more than animals then. That's wrong. From my Shepard's perspective that is.

And my Shepard shot Mordin in the back and pitched Wrex off a balcony. 

Shepard's usually a jackass, even when he's not.

[AdmiralJacket]

[Tequila Man]

There's a certain type of person who usually sides with the anti-Geth movement.

I guess it needs repeating; when uploaded with the Reaper code, Geth have fully functioning, individualistic neural nets; they pass the Turing test with ease, reproduce, and have culture. In biology, we call that "alive."

[Fogg]

Still, I'm surprised by how little people hate the Geth after fighting them over and over again, and only having Legion as a proof that they can be more than killing machines.

All of this in game of course. From Shepard's perspective.

[nhsknudsen]

KMYash wrote...

Yttrian wrote...

suusuuu wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

Kill all humans.

with synthetics

To stop organics being killed.

by synthetics

This logic is infallible! (because you beat me to it)

[Merwanor]

I will take the geth race over the quarians, the quarians are a bunch of idiots.

But who cares, everyone is screwed anyways because of how the game ends.

Modifié par Merwanor, 20 mars 2012 - 03:19 .

[Red Dust]

Tequila Man wrote...

There's a certain type of person who usually sides with the anti-Geth movement.

I guess it needs repeating; when uploaded with the Reaper code, Geth have fully functioning, individualistic neural nets; they pass the Turing test with ease, reproduce, and have culture. In biology, we call that "alive."

Even before the code, the Geth had all those things. They where just not as individuals. The Quarians destroyed their super-consensus and with it, billions of geth. The Geth lost a lot of their networked inteligence at that point.

That's the only thing that made the reaper code nessesary. 

[Fogg]

The universe is better without AI's

Catalyst = evil
EDI = ok
Geth = killing tools for reapers
Legion = cute
Reapers = big enemy
Unnamed AI on the Citadel = stealing credits from Flux and tries to blow you up
Rogue AI on Luna = killing stuff

[ElementL09]

Schrijver wrote...

But Geth are machines. Worth less even than cows and chicken which we slaughter by the millions when some of them get some virus. Kill all Geth. It's the only sane way.

The geth are self sufficient and can be very useful in performing task that organics can't, they also take up alot less resources then Organics as well.  

It makes sense to kill cows and chickens if they are infected with a virus because you don't want it to spread to organics.  If a machine has a virus, you have more viable options to terminate the infection while still perserving the unit.

Kill the Geth is not the sane way, Killing the Geth means that you are just as fearful as the Quarians were when they kept modifing the Geth to the point of self sufficiency.

The Geth were workers and just that, they were never hostile.  Its the fear that you have and the fear that the Quarians have which sees them as a threat, not actions that have already took place. 

In the war against the Reapers I need every soldier, being organic or machine, by my side to fight the Reapers.  The Geth have shown no signs of being hostile unless provoked, which the Quarians did which ulitmately lead them to flee there own planet and even shoot down their own people (the ones who protected the geth).

How is Kiling the Geth sane?  Out of our own fear of a potential threat?  You must side with the Space  Child on that assumption.  It must make sense for the Reapers to destroy organic life because of fear that organic life might create synthetic life that would ultimately wipe them out; even though The Protheans were on the verge of winning the Metacron War with the Synthetics and my Shepard [LIKE A BOSS] brokered peace between the Quarians and Geth at the expense of Legions life.

So tell me after all that I've down and all that I've learned, that the killing the Geth is the sane option?

[Baronesa]

Schrijver wrote...

The universe is better without AI's

Catalyst = evil
EDI = ok
Geth = killing tools for reapers
Legion = cute
Reapers = big enemy
Unnamed AI on the Citadel = stealing credits from Flux and tries to blow you up
Rogue AI on Luna = killing stuff

Rogue VI, not AI... it gained sentience during the fight thought... and  uhmmm SHE IS EDI!

[Brawne]

Schrijver wrote...

Still, I'm surprised by how little people hate the Geth after fighting them over and over again, and only having Legion as a proof that they can be more than killing machines.

All of this in game of course. From Shepard's perspective.

This is like saying that all Muslims are terrorists. Gj, the Homeland Security has trained you well.

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

Tequila Man wrote...

There's a certain type of person who usually sides with the anti-Geth movement.

I guess it needs repeating; when uploaded with the Reaper code, Geth have fully functioning, individualistic neural nets; they pass the Turing test with ease, reproduce, and have culture. In biology, we call that "alive."

When you have the chance to destroy the geth, they haven't been uploaded with the Reaper code. This argument makes no sense.

[scrapmetals]

Good point! Let's kill EDI too, since she was the rogue AI on Luna who killed a bunch of people too.

Also, she took over Eva's body and CPU usage without asking. At least Legion asked us what we wanted to do with the heretics. EDI just forced a body with an AI already in it to submit to her control and completely wiped out whatever thoughts, personalities, etc Eva might have had. Granted, Eva did try to kill us too, but we lost a choice to question her.

Actually, you know what, I'm gonna let Legion stay and get EDI out of that body, put her all back into the ship where she belongs.