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[wheelierdan]

This seems like the most appropriate forum for what I have to say.  I know theres been a lot of backlash over the ending and I've participated in that plenty.  But Iwanted to say something that you deserve to know.

I am a disabled gamer, I'm left handed (though technically I was born right handed) and my right hand has only a few decently useful fingers that prefer to do things in unison.

I've been gaming since the atari, and it has been a struggle as games have gotten more and more reactive, faster and faster. (screw you quick time events with random buttons!)  With the advent of motion controls I have begun to feel like gaming is slipping away from me. Though I have to say that I thought what you did with the kinect (Idon't own one) was spot on.  It's bittersweet because I'm happy that gaming tech is ever marching forward, I just hope I don't get shut out completely.

I know I'm a minority gamer and I don't expect developers to go out of their way to cater to me, but it sure is nice when they do.

To that end, I have to say that your games are the most "cripple friendly"  I have ever played. even as you speed up the gameplay with each new game, I was never left behind.  In fact I beat mass effect 3 on insanity recently. (because I was so sure i screwed upthe ending i had to immediately go through again, but that's another issue entirely)  I didn't have to play on some super easy level and sigh to myself, "at least I'll see the story..."

It sounds so small but the ability to pause the game at any time and queue up commands, or to rotate the camera and look around, makes all the difference in the world.  It gives my fingers the chance to catch up to what I'm seeing and thinking.

I just wanted you to hear something positive from me, and although I can't speak for other disabilities.  I am so very grateful for what you've done.

[Syrellaris]

I would like to point out a certain charity movement to you, that might really interest you as a Disabled gamer Shamefully it is currently a UK only movement, but it has come down with some really interesting breakthroughs.

I've had the pleasure of speaking with there CEO and Spokesman during there Guiness Book of Records attempt in establishing the faster Racing laptap using ones eyes only during Eurogamer Exposition 2011 in London. (it was right next to the bioware stand!)

http://specialeffect.org.uk/index.htm

[wheelierdan]

how could i say no to tiny little crippled kids with tiny little walkers and chairs! so cute! take my money!

[SimonM72]

Nice thread!. You sound a better gamer than me wheelierdan!, I'll be damned if I can beat it on Insanity!.

[Syrellaris]

wheelierdan wrote...

how could i say no to tiny little crippled kids with tiny little walkers and chairs! so cute! take my money!

Every true gamer also cares about those that have the inability to game like they want to due to handicaps they never asked for. Its a good sight, seeing normal gamers and handicapped gamers working together to find something to overcome that one barrier .

Also don't underestimate our handicapped gamers, they can mop the floor with you! (as they did to me in that racing game, which the only movement controller you had were your own eyes)

[wheelierdan]

SimonM72 wrote...

Nice thread!. You sound a better gamer than me wheelierdan!, I'll be damned if I can beat it on Insanity!.

i went with an adept who uses only an assault rifle witha scope mod.  Since all classes can use any weapons the assault rifle was to me the best all around weapion, plus with a scope its a sniper rifle.  nothing else so your powers will refresh often. 

Anytime you even THINK someone threw a grenade pause the game and find a fall back position.

that's my advice

[av196vad]

*Sigh* If only more developers cared about left-handed gamers and gamers with disabilities. (I'm a right-handed gamer)

[Heather Cline]

Very nice thread.

[Sarah_SR2]

Hey Wheelie, that's a great accomplishment for anyone to beat it on insanity, but you've done it with additional handicap and I take my hat off to you ) And I mean that gracefully as its so nice to hear that you are able to enjoy these games ) I'm not disabled myself so it would be arrogant of me to comment but I'm sure that being so will be become ever more manageable in the future due to advancements in medical science and computer aided interfaces etc. What I think I'm trying to say here is that people may find much more choice and advancement for computer interaction as time goes on. And that can only bode well for people who wish to play games, regardless of physical abilitiy.

[wheelierdan]

you're very right in the end technology will always make our lives better. i do hope more games will decide to use voice activated technology like mass effect 3 did without the body movements. I feel like that has obvious added value but the movement stuff is usually to do something that a button press would do just fine.

also you don't have to be disabled to have opinions on the issue, god knows i have plenty of opinions that have no basis in personal experience, don't we all;)

[Sarah_SR2]

Too true. But when you're able bodied it is so easy to take the things you can do for granted and very rarely do you stop and try to imagine what it would be like if things were different. I also have plenty of opinions on a great many things but the needs of disabled people is, admitedly rarely one of them. I have sometimes wondered what I would do if I lost an arm and how I'd play video games like that and it isn't a nice thought. But generally I guess people are just so centred on themselves most of the time that they don't spend too much time considering the needs of others?

[wheelierdan]

but really thats no different for me. i can see i can hear i can think, i cant walk, so if you took away my hands, even the crappy one i have no idea how id take care of myself and ive had a lifetime of adaptation to make me good at it.
we are in the same boat really.

edit.

i really didn't complete my thought.  MY point is there are poeple worse than you sure, but there are people worse then me too, and i marvel at how they do it and fear being in that same situation. 

You hear about people painting epic landsscapes with a paintbrust and their mouth!

The point is theres always someone better than you, and theres always someone worse off, making it work. 

I 'm not any more enlightened than you.  no pedistals for me thanks, they arent very accessible;)

Modifié par wheelierdan, 20 mars 2012 - 08:16 .

[Sarah_SR2]

It's very true that the "there's always somebody else worse off than me" is a very positive way to look at life. I try to keep this in mind whenever I'm feeling hard done by and it does lift the mood. As fir pedestals, no they're not a place I like to be either. I'm too modest and besides, a barstool with a drink in my hand is far more comfortable )

[adawg828]

Congrats on beating it on insanity, keep on gaming

[Ferretinabun]

Thanks for this thread.

To my shame I suppose this could be the first time I've really considered how user-friendly games are for diabled gamers. Food for thought.

[wheelierdan]

don't feel to bad, ive had similar experiences with blind people. No need to feel shame, we only know of the world what we encounter, that's just reality. I don't spend every day thinking about starving children in africa, I could feel guilty about that but you cant be aware of everything at the same time, you know?

I recently dated a similarly disabled person except her right hand is much worse, even the thumb isn't all that useful,which is very limiting. So shes never gotten into gaming much beyond watching her brothers play mario. For me the wii was harder to use then a regular controller but you give her a wii and she plays quite a few games, she really likes the quiz ones like jeopardy. but it breaks my heart thinking about all the wonderful gaming experiences i have had that she just wont.

I don't feel bitter at game makers though, there are just too many disabilities to cover all the bases. Even though she and I have practically the same disposition, she found the wii to be very helpful and i avoided it.

Bioware's solution is pretty broadly useful though, i wish more games would use the pause and queue with a rotating camera thing.

[Ace Attorney]

I'm a hancapped gamer as well. I too have troubles with fast button presses, specially in my right hand and am lefthanded (but lefty since birth unlike you). I made a post similar to yours back on ME2's release in BioWare's previous forum. My comment was on how Joker made me relate as a handicapped man and I thanked them on making a guy with a physical disability a core character and not fall to cliché. I asked on how controls changed since I can't physically click joysticks quickly so I had trouble with cover crouching in ME1. I was happily informed cover was revamped. I remember I got a BioWare staffer to reply about Joker. My searchfu is weak but I had the same username as now. Maybe someone can find it.

On a tangent matter: I've beaten ME3 on just normal and I'm planning on making an insanity run today. I made a topic about it a few days. I'm still debating on class though. I'm thinking Adept, Engineer, or Sentinel. Maybe Infiltrator for cloak "oh ****" button.

Modifié par T3hAnubis, 21 mars 2012 - 04:42 .

[wheelierdan]

my opinion as i stated earlier is an adept with an assault rifle, the scope does require more fine motor skills so that would be up to you, ilike it because you dont have to zoom aim with an assault rifle if you don't want to but you can have range when you need it.. My reasoning is that its always going to be easier to aim a power than aim a gun. The adept has plenty. Take a squad whos job it is to strip shields and you do the rest.

I too want to try infiltrator, that invisibility might give us those few seconds to line up a sniper shot. I tried it somewhat on me2 but i usually ended up panic shooting before the stealth would break.

[Ace Attorney]

I've considered Vanguard but I dunno how well it does on Insanity. I tried on Normal once and with Liara it was like I was god. Too easy. Singularity or Stasis Bubble > Charge > Nova > Charge > Clean up those who are not dead yet or restart cycle.

Modifié par T3hAnubis, 21 mars 2012 - 04:51 .

[wheelierdan]

ive heard that about vanguards too, i do want to see what all the fuss is about,

[Ace Attorney]

This is the topic I mentioned on doing my insanity run in ME3.

[Sarah_SR2]

Well you 2 guys would put me to shame because I know I'd get hammered on insanity. And that's with 2 fully functional hands...

[wheelierdan]

didn't realize you weren't an adept/tech fan. limits your choices, but they are your choices after all;)

[wheelierdan]

Sarah_SR2 wrote...

Well you 2 guys would put me to shame because I know I'd get hammered on insanity. And that's with 2 fully functional hands...

you can do it you just have to pause a lot, and watch your flanks with as much paranoia as you can muster.  Having the patience to let your shields recharge.

when it comes to the hard things like brutes or banshees (the parts i had to redo over and over involve banshees) distance is key, and dont be afraid to move a squad member closer to it to get its attention, i always had plenty of medigel. They didnt mind taking one for the team;)
  when i finally did beat the hard parts it was ususally a combination of, "oh thank god they ate liara not me" and having my grenades all hit.  I never used grenades till those parts.


PS i just got my kindle delivered, as i was typing this, can't wait to read some mass effect books:)

[Sarah_SR2]

But I hate pausing. At least on normal I can just skip cover and Rambo my way through the enemies ) I just want to have fun and enjoy myself and running riot makes me feel brilliant )