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Tiax Rules All wrote...

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The crucible still has to be docked, and the citadel still needs its arms open. What happenes about that?


Those are pretty GLARING holes the theory leaves wide open so explain that to me and I will be happy. 

Thats all I asked for.

edit - the point is if the people that came up with, and support the theory can't fill in this holes, how the hell do you expect Bioware to do it?


OMG!!!!! this is crazy.

an unanswered question IS NOT A PLOT HOLE!, its just an unanswered question. what is wrong with you?

IDT answeres so many questions your "edit" is just wrong, your whole thread is wrong, and you are losing this thread now becasue its YOU that cant keep a coherant arguement.



Umm the entire endings are answered questions.

Who is the catalyst? Who made it? Who made the Reapers? Why did out squadmates wind up stranded? Where was the Normandy going? Why was it going there?

Dude, do you think about what you write before you write it?

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MassEffected555 wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

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Read the thread, it makes the ending more plot hole driven. 

Seriously read the dam thread or don't comment, you people are that dam lazy you can skim a few pages? 

WOW I have ADD but even I can go over a thread before I respond to it.

we read you OP and your thread. and nothing in it creates more "plot holes" for us. for you obviously but thats because you are unwilling to see the evidnece.

i just dont get fighitng us. If we are wrong... then its over. and you stay pissed off.

if we are right though, we all get more to look forward to.

its like an exercise to tell who the stubbon and pessimistic ones are in the forums.



WHAT EVIDENCE? I am not asking for evidence lol I am askng for 1 single feasable way for BW to continue on with out making more plot holes.


how many times do we have to keep suppliying when all you will do is incorrectly take the meaning, mislabel it a plot hole then talk about it as if people are attacking you for wanting more.

your not just (in my opinion) misinformed about IDT, and the endings as is... but misinformed on life.

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I made this reply earlier in another post but it seems relevant as this post has progressed...

Personally I love the concept of the Indoctrination theory, that said, I am kind of against it.

That being said I respect everyones opinion regardless of whether they support the theory or not.

I just think that if the Indoctrination theory is true it kind of opens a new direction for video games that I am not comfortable with. That being said, I am always willing to buy DLC. However, I think the Indoctrination thing really hurts people that don't have the ability to play online (although probably the minority of players) and I feel that they are essentially left in the cold (if the end is changed/expanded on)

It doesn't really add any closure, it just clears up some of the plot holes (which is why I love the concept) had the game continued on right after the "breath scene" and went on to conclude it would be great.

But because of those earlier reasons I am against it.

OP I understand if you don't like the Indoctrination theory because of similar reasons, but asking people exactly how it "would" end and immediately dismissing what they have to say doesn't get us anywhere nor does attacking each other.

Modifié par Sleeping Slig, 20 mars 2012 - 09:52 .


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The OP doesn't care. All it is the OP flame-baiting certain members and jumping on anything negative directed at him.

I was thinking of attaching that write-up that I posted twice already, which is only an abstract (can't really do more than that) that requires maybe 2 minutes if that to go over, yet ignores it. And even if it's read (15-16 minutes ago from this edit), it plays into exactly what the OP wants to do, which is to disprove how IT won't work in expanding the game.

Could be proven wrong on the intentions, but what the OP is saying the intentions are and what is being demonstrated at this point are very different.


Maybe if you, and 2 other people leave the thread, it can go back into being a useful discussion that it has been for the past 10 pages. Just a thought. 

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Tiax Rules All wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...


Read the thread, it makes the ending more plot hole driven. 

Seriously read the dam thread or don't comment, you people are that dam lazy you can skim a few pages? 

WOW I have ADD but even I can go over a thread before I respond to it.

we read you OP and your thread. and nothing in it creates more "plot holes" for us. for you obviously but thats because you are unwilling to see the evidnece.

i just dont get fighitng us. If we are wrong... then its over. and you stay pissed off.

if we are right though, we all get more to look forward to.

its like an exercise to tell who the stubbon and pessimistic ones are in the forums.



WHAT EVIDENCE? I am not asking for evidence lol I am askng for 1 single feasable way for BW to continue on with out making more plot holes.


how many times do we have to keep suppliying when all you will do is incorrectly take the meaning, mislabel it a plot hole then talk about it as if people are attacking you for wanting more.

your not just (in my opinion) misinformed about IDT, and the endings as is... but misinformed on life.


Dude 1 more post and 1 more insult I will make it my personal mission to get you banned. 

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Umm the entire endings are answered questions.

Who is the catalyst? Who made it? Who made the Reapers? Why did out squadmates wind up stranded? Where was the Normandy going? Why was it going there?

Dude, do you think about what you write before you write it?

we go round the circle again

you are pathetic.

watch my sig vid, it answeres those questions.. now you can o back to "but that means there is no ending"

the cicles keeps spinning, you keep not getting it.

Modifié par Tiax Rules All, 20 mars 2012 - 09:46 .


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Sleeping Slig wrote...

I made this reply earlier in another post but it seems relevant as this post has progressed...

Personally I love the concept of the Indoctrination theory, that said, I am kind of against it.

I just think that if the Indoctrination theory is true it kind of opens a new direction for video games that I am not comfortable with. That being said, I am always willing to buy DLC. However, I think the Indoctrination thing really hurts people that don't have the ability to play online (although probably the minority of players) and I feel that they are essentially left in the cold (if the end is changed/expanded on)

It doesn't really add any closure, it just clears up some of the plot holes (which is why I love the concept) had the game continued on right after the "breath scene" and went on to conclude it would be great.

But because of those earlier reasons I am against it.

OP I understand if you don't like the Indoctrination theory because of similar reasons, but asking people exactly how it "would" end, doesn't make sense to me.


I understand that and if you would just read my very first post I said I am 100% fine with the theory now.

I am simply asking for someone to explain to me how Bioware can continue the story. So far everything I have heard has done nothing but open up worse plot holes. I counter them and a few people in the thread already have even thanked me and said good points.

Now you and 3 other people want to jump into the middle of it, make baseless uninformed acusations and derail the thread.

I am just going to report you from now on if you do that. 

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Tiax Rules All wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

Umm the entire endings are answered questions.

Who is the catalyst? Who made it? Who made the Reapers? Why did out squadmates wind up stranded? Where was the Normandy going? Why was it going there?

Dude, do you think about what you write before you write it?

we go round the circle again

you are pathetic.

watch my sig vid, it answeres those questions.. now you can o back to "but that means there is no ending"

the cicles keeps spinning, you keep not getting it.


reported for harrassment.

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MassEffected555 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

The OP doesn't care. All it is the OP flame-baiting certain members and jumping on anything negative directed at him.

I was thinking of attaching that write-up that I posted twice already, which is only an abstract (can't really do more than that) that requires maybe 2 minutes if that to go over, yet ignores it. And even if it's read (15-16 minutes ago from this edit), it plays into exactly what the OP wants to do, which is to disprove how IT won't work in expanding the game.

Could be proven wrong on the intentions, but what the OP is saying the intentions are and what is being demonstrated at this point are very different.


Maybe if you, and 2 other people leave the thread, it can go back into being a useful discussion that it has been for the past 10 pages. Just a thought. 


just admit the only reason you made this tread i so you deny IDT. you obviosly dont want to hear any explainations that are pro-IDT and you certainly dont get why speculating on what a DLC is about is sily.

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Tiax Rules All wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

The OP doesn't care. All it is the OP flame-baiting certain members and jumping on anything negative directed at him.

I was thinking of attaching that write-up that I posted twice already, which is only an abstract (can't really do more than that) that requires maybe 2 minutes if that to go over, yet ignores it. And even if it's read (15-16 minutes ago from this edit), it plays into exactly what the OP wants to do, which is to disprove how IT won't work in expanding the game.

Could be proven wrong on the intentions, but what the OP is saying the intentions are and what is being demonstrated at this point are very different.


Maybe if you, and 2 other people leave the thread, it can go back into being a useful discussion that it has been for the past 10 pages. Just a thought. 


just admit the only reason you made this tread i so you deny IDT. you obviosly dont want to hear any explainations that are pro-IDT and you certainly dont get why speculating on what a DLC is about is sily.


repoted again for harrassment and now stalking added to complaint. 

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this thread is harrasment, later. have fun wallowing in your self induced dispair.

[quote]repoted again for harrassment and now stalking added to complaint. [/quote[

we are writing at the same time, lol

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Tiax Rules All wrote...

this thread is harrasment, later. have fun wallowing in your self induced dispair.


3rd time being reported for harrassment and stalking. 

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Any mod worth his/her grain is going to see he isn't harassing, and will hopefully see this as the troll thread it is and lock it.

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Simple. It picks up with the scene showing Shepard breating in rubble. Then big pieces of rubble are lifted off him. If both Wrex and Grunt are alive, it should be the two of them tossing around huge blocks of stone like nothing. Shepard comes to and sees what is left of all his friends around him, including those that weren't even ME3 squadmates like Samara and Zaeed as well as some no name survivors from hammer team. Anderson and the two squadmates that Shepard took on the final run are either dead or terribly wounded. Shepard is in bad shape too, and someone (probably LI) says something about taking him back to the triage area. Shepard, is very messed up, but refuses.

"We're finishing this now." Shep growls

Then more badguys show up.

"Let's move!" Shepard commands. The entire group of survivors begin a fighting advance towards the transport beam. Shep can't walk so he/she is supported by LI. The small cluster of survivors with shepard in the middle, advance slowly towards the beam, fighting for every inch of ground. Both named and no name characters die by the handful, but they continue on, until only Shep and whatever is left of his/her squad make it to the beam and up to the citidel.

Once they get up there, they open the arms and allow the Dues Ex Machina ending.


Sorry but I don't buy it.

I said this already but there is no way in hell I am going to believe Shepard gets knocked out by a lazer, fights off indoctrination and is NOT in extreme physical and mental pain.

No way I can believe he can just pop up and continue to fight. Shep is human.




I never said he wasn't in extreme pain. In fact, I think I made it very clear that he CAN'T EVEN WALK ON HIS OWN. The only thing supporting him now is will. He doesn't even fight his way to the beam, he limps, and is almost carried by a squadmate.

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MassEffected555 wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

this thread is harrasment, later. have fun wallowing in your self induced dispair.


3rd time being reported for harrassment and stalking. 


heh now you are harassing the devs now. come on dude. get over it.

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FearTheLiving wrote...

Any mod worth his/her grain is going to see he isn't harassing, and will hopefully see this as the troll thread it is and lock it.



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Just what the title says.

What's next? The game specifically states once you are indoctrinated you are permantly. There is no cure. You can't block it - I dont care about books, not everyone read the books the are not cannon to the video games, they are side stories.

OK so according to the video game you can't get rid of indoctrination. So what happens after Shep wakes up? Only think I can think of is Benezia and Saren. They were able to resist if only for a short time and that was for Saren to kill himself and for Benezia to give them some info on Saren. Note that Benezia right back at trying to kill SHep and crew after she gave the info.

So taking that into consideration, what does Shep do next? Save the day in 2 minutes or less and then shoot himself in the face before he is back under Reaper control?

It is also stated that when the Reapers leave after a cycle the people who were indoctrinated and no longer hear the signal from the reapers just stand around and starve to death. The reapers leave and the signal stops, but everyone is still a brain dead vegie.

So please let me know what to expect after the Indoc Theory because it looks pretty bleak to me.  


So from my point of wiev:
Sheppard was technicaly dead it could enchance Sheppards his/her will to ressist to indoctrinacion,(because some ppls said the Sheppard was a lot of time from beggining in contact with Reaper tech, but they forgot about this fact, which could atleast destroy previous traces of indoctrinatiion)
for me indoctrination starting in ME2 with DLC Arrival where Sheppard was forced to contact with Object Rho.
 Indotrination in brain must work on some kind of electric or electromagnetic brain-activity and with death there is nothing like that, unless you are one of husk but you were dead. 
(even Collectors tried collect your remains, and Harbringer talk with you about your defiance and strong will to ressist, which i think was reason why was Harbringer so obsessed and impress) 

Also most of organics they are trying harvest and not submit for husk form. They need pure genetic material for creation of next Reapers, so as was said it will take some time until last living inteligent organic will be melted into reaper form.

And what i am waiting from indoctrination theory:
When reapers realized what could happen they pull back to Earth most of the fleet for saving Citadel in final battle but when they lost a lot of Sovereigns class ships they run away though realy to Hegemony space systems. 

After Sheppard wake up in rubbles of London, he found Aliance medics which were looking for injured soldiers.
Sheppards will be taken to Hospital for a healing, after week when he/she wakes up she will look for answers, the fact is the Reapers start leaving a most of Council systems leaving almost every single husk behind.
Scouts reports said every single Reaper leave to systems once owned by Batarians, where the Reapers trying to recover from battle over Earth. 
Army which you gathered was also wounded, a lot of ships were damaged and others has not so much luck and now they created debris field of thousand ships which is around Earth, but now it is time to fight back. The Reapers always fight with enemies which were no real threat, scatered empires with no communication locked behind every relay wating for slow death due to starvation, lack of defence and technological advance.
Now they are facing to allied fleets and armies which have only one real purpose, fight back or die.
They know now its not time to step back, it is one way which can lead to succes or loss.

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moater boat wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

moater boat wrote...

Simple. It picks up with the scene showing Shepard breating in rubble. Then big pieces of rubble are lifted off him. If both Wrex and Grunt are alive, it should be the two of them tossing around huge blocks of stone like nothing. Shepard comes to and sees what is left of all his friends around him, including those that weren't even ME3 squadmates like Samara and Zaeed as well as some no name survivors from hammer team. Anderson and the two squadmates that Shepard took on the final run are either dead or terribly wounded. Shepard is in bad shape too, and someone (probably LI) says something about taking him back to the triage area. Shepard, is very messed up, but refuses.

"We're finishing this now." Shep growls

Then more badguys show up.

"Let's move!" Shepard commands. The entire group of survivors begin a fighting advance towards the transport beam. Shep can't walk so he/she is supported by LI. The small cluster of survivors with shepard in the middle, advance slowly towards the beam, fighting for every inch of ground. Both named and no name characters die by the handful, but they continue on, until only Shep and whatever is left of his/her squad make it to the beam and up to the citidel.

Once they get up there, they open the arms and allow the Dues Ex Machina ending.


Sorry but I don't buy it.

I said this already but there is no way in hell I am going to believe Shepard gets knocked out by a lazer, fights off indoctrination and is NOT in extreme physical and mental pain.

No way I can believe he can just pop up and continue to fight. Shep is human.




I never said he wasn't in extreme pain. In fact, I think I made it very clear that he CAN'T EVEN WALK ON HIS OWN. The only thing supporting him now is will. He doesn't even fight his way to the beam, he limps, and is almost carried by a squadmate.


OK I am going with that. My questions are:

Where did the squadmates come from, and if they were there the entire time, how did they avoid the beam when no one else did?

What happens at the end since Shep is "tainted" from indoctrination? Does he kill himself?

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How about that if you pick destruction option Shepard fights off the ID for a time being, could be much more then some seconds since he/she is very stronge willed.

You make another attempt to reach the beam, get teleported.
Doesnt have to be the same "citadel" as in the "dream" if we now suggest it was just a dream.

At the citadel you shoot ppl up, blow things up, get **** together and we see some sort of new ending with all the choices and war assets we have gathered.

Then Shepard could either die from ID or they decide to put him/her in a stasis pod and make a cooler "Speculation for everyone" end.

Was that a reasonable way bioware could take the "new" ending?

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How about that if you pick destruction option Shepard fights off the ID for a time being, could be much more then some seconds since he/she is very stronge willed.

You make another attempt to reach the beam, get teleported.
Doesnt have to be the same "citadel" as in the "dream" if we now suggest it was just a dream.

At the citadel you shoot ppl up, blow things up, get **** together and we see some sort of new ending with all the choices and war assets we have gathered.

Then Shepard could either die from ID or they decide to put him/her in a stasis pod and make a cooler "Speculation for everyone" end.

Was that a reasonable way bioware could take the "new" ending?



People have said things close to that and the only problem I have with it is that what I said about Sheps physical and mental state after being hit by the beam and blocking indoctrination. I would have to assume he is in bad shape so wouldn't you think having him go through all that stuff would be a little far fetched? He is only human. 

I am having a hard time seeing how ANYONE can go through all that, and still have the strength to do anything. 

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MassEffected555 wrote...

Sleeping Slig wrote...

I made this reply earlier in another post but it seems relevant as this post has progressed...

Personally I love the concept of the Indoctrination theory, that said, I am kind of against it.

I just think that if the Indoctrination theory is true it kind of opens a new direction for video games that I am not comfortable with. That being said, I am always willing to buy DLC. However, I think the Indoctrination thing really hurts people that don't have the ability to play online (although probably the minority of players) and I feel that they are essentially left in the cold (if the end is changed/expanded on)

It doesn't really add any closure, it just clears up some of the plot holes (which is why I love the concept) had the game continued on right after the "breath scene" and went on to conclude it would be great.

But because of those earlier reasons I am against it.

OP I understand if you don't like the Indoctrination theory because of similar reasons, but asking people exactly how it "would" end, doesn't make sense to me.


I understand that and if you would just read my very first post I said I am 100% fine with the theory now.

I am simply asking for someone to explain to me how Bioware can continue the story. So far everything I have heard has done nothing but open up worse plot holes. I counter them and a few people in the thread already have even thanked me and said good points.

Now you and 3 other people want to jump into the middle of it, make baseless uninformed acusations and derail the thread.

I am just going to report you from now on if you do that. 


I'm sorry if what I have said previously has come off as "making baseless uninformed acusastions"

I read your first post at the start and have been trying to understand exactly what you want.

I certainly get that the theory presents its own set of plotholes and again I don't agree with it...

But I felt like you were never going to get an answer to your original question so I expressed that they shouldnt be expected to explain exactly how Bioware would continue IF the theory was true for the same reason you said that you didnt want to come up with why better endings if the theory wasnt true.

Again I apologize if what I have said comes off as an accusation it was certainly never my intent.

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Sleeping Slig wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

Sleeping Slig wrote...

I made this reply earlier in another post but it seems relevant as this post has progressed...

Personally I love the concept of the Indoctrination theory, that said, I am kind of against it.

I just think that if the Indoctrination theory is true it kind of opens a new direction for video games that I am not comfortable with. That being said, I am always willing to buy DLC. However, I think the Indoctrination thing really hurts people that don't have the ability to play online (although probably the minority of players) and I feel that they are essentially left in the cold (if the end is changed/expanded on)

It doesn't really add any closure, it just clears up some of the plot holes (which is why I love the concept) had the game continued on right after the "breath scene" and went on to conclude it would be great.

But because of those earlier reasons I am against it.

OP I understand if you don't like the Indoctrination theory because of similar reasons, but asking people exactly how it "would" end, doesn't make sense to me.


I understand that and if you would just read my very first post I said I am 100% fine with the theory now.

I am simply asking for someone to explain to me how Bioware can continue the story. So far everything I have heard has done nothing but open up worse plot holes. I counter them and a few people in the thread already have even thanked me and said good points.

Now you and 3 other people want to jump into the middle of it, make baseless uninformed acusations and derail the thread.

I am just going to report you from now on if you do that. 


I'm sorry if what I have said previously has come off as "making baseless uninformed acusastions"

I read your first post at the start and have been trying to understand exactly what you want.

I certainly get that the theory presents its own set of plotholes and again I don't agree with it...

But I felt like you were never going to get an answer to your original question so I expressed that they shouldnt be expected to explain exactly how Bioware would continue IF the theory was true for the same reason you said that you didnt want to come up with why better endings if the theory wasnt true.

Again I apologize if what I have said comes off as an accusation it was certainly never my intent.


No worries. I am just asking how they can pick up the story after Indoc that makes sense. People have said some things, I have countered, we went back and forth and either we agree to disagree or I have been thanked and told I have some good points.

I would like someone to just provide 1 way that makes sense to everything that happened up to the beam hit, and then after Shep breaks indoc, for the story to continue.

How does anyone expect Bioware to do that if the people who made and support the indoc theory can't? 

My counter arguments are all sound a logical and I am simply asking for an explanation of what happens after. 

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I don't think there's a point in arguing with MassEffected555, he/she did this in another thread where he/she would selectively pick what to reply to and ignore any arguments that conflicted with said viewpoint. Eventually it broke down to, paraphrased, "I'm not replying to you because you were rude to me". Meanwhile MassEffected555 was anything but civil or polite. I'm pretty positive this is just a troll, if it's not it's just laziness or stubborness or both.

However, I'd still suggest people put forth their ideas on what happens after if the Indoctrination Theory is correct. I'd say the game shouldn't end if you pick Control or Synthesis but should have significant consequences at what would be the true ending, the consequences being:

Control: You may or may not destroy the reapers (or whatever the true end game is) but become a mindless husk and try to kill your LI who either is killed by Shepard who is then killed by squad or the LI kills Shepard in a heartbreaking cutscene.

Synthesis: You may or may not destroy the reapers (or whatever the true end game is) but indoctrination is still dormant and to prevent the disaster of what would happen in Control you say your goodbyes to your LI and squad or just your LI and commit suicide.

Not very well thought out but just brainstorming ideas on having your decision from the indoctrination process having an effect on the ending.

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jaze89 wrote...

I don't think there's a point in arguing with MassEffected555, he/she did this in another thread where he/she would selectively pick what to reply to and ignore any arguments that conflicted with said viewpoint. Eventually it broke down to, paraphrased, "I'm not replying to you because you were rude to me". Meanwhile MassEffected555 was anything but civil or polite. I'm pretty positive this is just a troll, if it's not it's just laziness or stubborness or both.

However, I'd still suggest people put forth their ideas on what happens after if the Indoctrination Theory is correct. I'd say the game shouldn't end if you pick Control or Synthesis but should have significant consequences at what would be the true ending, the consequences being:

Control: You may or may not destroy the reapers (or whatever the true end game is) but become a mindless husk and try to kill your LI who either is killed by Shepard who is then killed by squad or the LI kills Shepard in a heartbreaking cutscene.

Synthesis: You may or may not destroy the reapers (or whatever the true end game is) but indoctrination is still dormant and to prevent the disaster of what would happen in Control you say your goodbyes to your LI and squad or just your LI and commit suicide.

Not very well thought out but just brainstorming ideas on having your decision from the indoctrination process having an effect on the ending.


No actually if you bothered to go through the thread I answered pretty much every single post.

Can you people stop being lazy and actually look before you jump in with the baseless accusations like I already asked.

But of course you are to lazy to look up a few posts huh and just jump in the thread like a tool and start talking. 

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xztr wrote...

How about that if you pick destruction option Shepard fights off the ID for a time being, could be much more then some seconds since he/she is very stronge willed.

You make another attempt to reach the beam, get teleported.
Doesnt have to be the same "citadel" as in the "dream" if we now suggest it was just a dream.

At the citadel you shoot ppl up, blow things up, get **** together and we see some sort of new ending with all the choices and war assets we have gathered.

Then Shepard could either die from ID or they decide to put him/her in a stasis pod and make a cooler "Speculation for everyone" end.

Was that a reasonable way bioware could take the "new" ending?



People have said things close to that and the only problem I have with it is that what I said about Sheps physical and mental state after being hit by the beam and blocking indoctrination. I would have to assume he is in bad shape so wouldn't you think having him go through all that stuff would be a little far fetched? He is only human. 

I am having a hard time seeing how ANYONE can go through all that, and still have the strength to do anything. 


Well we can clearly hear that not all of the soldiers died since they are falling back and regrouping. It could start with them coming back and finding Shepard alive helping him/her up (just like the picture at the back of the collector edition box). They make it to the beam, gets teleported and do we actually know 100% that everyone on the citadel is dead? Didnt we actually have some war assets on the citadel, like giving civilians weapons, organise the military there etc etc?

Couldnt there be some sort of resistance that actually could help your cause there?