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[D1ck1e]

MassEffected555 wrote...

WHAT EVIDENCE? I am not asking for evidence lol I am askng for 1 single feasable way for BW to continue on with out making more plot holes.

This isn't constructive. Which plot holes (I know there are some) are YOU refering to exactly?

What would come after the IDT? Well I have no idea.

What I do know, is that what Shepard (we) knows and what the player sees and can take for granted is unclear.

Right now, I like to think that everything between the laser and the Normandy crash was part of an indoctrination process (what occurs in the citadel) and going back to a more peacefull line of thought for shepard (My LI Liara lost somewhere in space like she talked about) before "waking up".

What might be an idea, is to expand on what TIM said. Cerberus is bigger than him and us, that you do not kill an idea so easilly. I wouldn't put it past him to have some back-up plan.

Is the Omega relay also destroyed? Were the reapers so overly confident they didn't have a back-up plan?

Are we to charge their parking lot and clean up Omega on our way there? Was this why TIM was there in the first place?

Well I'll click submit event tho I pretty much haven't really answered your original post.

That's the problem, we got more of an opening than an ending.

Modifié par D1ck1e, 20 mars 2012 - 10:15 .

[iiTzCyAniiDe]

I really want to know what happens next too

[Jaze55]

xztr wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

xztr wrote...

How about that if you pick destruction option Shepard fights off the ID for a time being, could be much more then some seconds since he/she is very stronge willed.

You make another attempt to reach the beam, get teleported.
Doesnt have to be the same "citadel" as in the "dream" if we now suggest it was just a dream.

At the citadel you shoot ppl up, blow things up, get **** together and we see some sort of new ending with all the choices and war assets we have gathered.

Then Shepard could either die from ID or they decide to put him/her in a stasis pod and make a cooler "Speculation for everyone" end.

Was that a reasonable way bioware could take the "new" ending?

People have said things close to that and the only problem I have with it is that what I said about Sheps physical and mental state after being hit by the beam and blocking indoctrination. I would have to assume he is in bad shape so wouldn't you think having him go through all that stuff would be a little far fetched? He is only human. 

I am having a hard time seeing how ANYONE can go through all that, and still have the strength to do anything. 

Well we can clearly hear that not all of the soldiers died since they are falling back and regrouping. It could start with them coming back and finding Shepard alive helping him/her up (just like the picture at the back of the collector edition box). They make it to the beam, gets teleported and do we actually know 100% that everyone on the citadel is dead? Didnt we actually have some war assets on the citadel, like giving civilians weapons, organise the military there etc etc?

Couldnt there be some sort of resistance that actually could help your cause there?

OK it only took 14 pages for someone to come up with something I could see happening and that doesn't open up more plot holes.

Thank you I am now satisfied they can make the theory work.

You didn't made the missing squad mates appear. You didn't have the Normandy come down and save the day. You didn't have Shep pop up and be fully healed and capable of kicking Reaper ass.

You used war assets and stuff we worked for. I don't know what that was so hard. 

lol That's really all I was asking for. It's pretty funny the few people that came in here and raged for no reason. You made yourselves look like fools. 

Thank you by the way. 

EDIT- for the record I still don't think they are gonna use the theory, and I definitely don't think it was planned. But now if they do and they do it right like aboves idea I would actually play it. 

Modifié par MassEffected555, 20 mars 2012 - 10:17 .

[Pepitobenito]

MassEffected555 wrote...

Panicomatic wrote...

I'm pretty sure that if you take the destroy ending and have a high enough ems that you will shake of the Indoctrination. If you chose synthesis or control then you lose the inner battle and accept the will of the Reapers.

No sorry the game says it's permanant. Unless you want to open another plot hole to fill in a plot hole.

It's permanent because the Reapers are permanent; they have existed for as far back as the game's lore goes.  Assuming Shepard destroys them...what would be left to control the indoctrinated?  The Reaper signal would be entirely gone, and while permanent damage might be done to those indoctrinated...hey, they did bring Shepard back to life with Lazarus, I'm pretty sure they can fix a little brain damage.

[Vromrig]

WHAT EVIDENCE? I am not asking for evidence lol I am askng for 1 single feasable way for BW to continue on with out making more plot holes.

Simple answer: by continuing story.

Why does continuation necessitate plot holes? Unless making point about chaos theory. Continued variables, therefore destined for plot holes. If case, useless speculation.

[jaze89]

MassEffected555 wrote...

jaze89 wrote...

I don't think there's a point in arguing with MassEffected555, he/she did this in another thread where he/she would selectively pick what to reply to and ignore any arguments that conflicted with said viewpoint. Eventually it broke down to, paraphrased, "I'm not replying to you because you were rude to me". Meanwhile MassEffected555 was anything but civil or polite. I'm pretty positive this is just a troll, if it's not it's just laziness or stubborness or both.

However, I'd still suggest people put forth their ideas on what happens after if the Indoctrination Theory is correct. I'd say the game shouldn't end if you pick Control or Synthesis but should have significant consequences at what would be the true ending, the consequences being:

Control: You may or may not destroy the reapers (or whatever the true end game is) but become a mindless husk and try to kill your LI who either is killed by Shepard who is then killed by squad or the LI kills Shepard in a heartbreaking cutscene.

Synthesis: You may or may not destroy the reapers (or whatever the true end game is) but indoctrination is still dormant and to prevent the disaster of what would happen in Control you say your goodbyes to your LI and squad or just your LI and commit suicide.

Not very well thought out but just brainstorming ideas on having your decision from the indoctrination process having an effect on the ending.

No actually if you bothered to go through the thread I answered pretty much every single post.

Can you people stop being lazy and actually look before you jump in with the baseless accusations like I already asked.

But of course you are to lazy to look up a few posts huh and just jump in the thread like a tool and start talking. 

If you weren't lazy and actually read what I wrote, I wrote that you did this in another thread about Indoctrination Theory where you acted without civility, were rude, and very childish. Now you've made a new thread that seems like a veiled attempt at acceptance to poke holes in the Indoctrination Theory again, which to me, still isn't working. The only holes in the Indoctrination Theory that I've seen is the Stargazer and his son which probably can be explained through other means that I haven't though of or read about. 

Modifié par jaze89, 20 mars 2012 - 10:18 .

[Jaze55]

Thread is done, see a few posts up.

[moater boat]

MassEffected555 wrote...

moater boat wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

moater boat wrote...

Simple. It picks up with the scene showing Shepard breating in rubble. Then big pieces of rubble are lifted off him. If both Wrex and Grunt are alive, it should be the two of them tossing around huge blocks of stone like nothing. Shepard comes to and sees what is left of all his friends around him, including those that weren't even ME3 squadmates like Samara and Zaeed as well as some no name survivors from hammer team. Anderson and the two squadmates that Shepard took on the final run are either dead or terribly wounded. Shepard is in bad shape too, and someone (probably LI) says something about taking him back to the triage area. Shepard, is very messed up, but refuses.

"We're finishing this now." Shep growls

Then more badguys show up.

"Let's move!" Shepard commands. The entire group of survivors begin a fighting advance towards the transport beam. Shep can't walk so he/she is supported by LI. The small cluster of survivors with shepard in the middle, advance slowly towards the beam, fighting for every inch of ground. Both named and no name characters die by the handful, but they continue on, until only Shep and whatever is left of his/her squad make it to the beam and up to the citidel.

Once they get up there, they open the arms and allow the Dues Ex Machina ending.

Sorry but I don't buy it.

I said this already but there is no way in hell I am going to believe Shepard gets knocked out by a lazer, fights off indoctrination and is NOT in extreme physical and mental pain.

No way I can believe he can just pop up and continue to fight. Shep is human.

I never said he wasn't in extreme pain. In fact, I think I made it very clear that he CAN'T EVEN WALK ON HIS OWN. The only thing supporting him now is will. He doesn't even fight his way to the beam, he limps, and is almost carried by a squadmate.

OK I am going with that. My questions are:

Where did the squadmates come from, and if they were there the entire time, how did they avoid the beam when no one else did?

What happens at the end since Shep is "tainted" from indoctrination? Does he kill himself?

Shepard was the tip of the spear during the entire operation. As I already mentioned, his 2 chosen squadmates are out of the fight, either wounded or dead, but you can't expect that the rest of his squadmates would just hang out back at the FOB. The only logical explanation is that were also taking part in the assault, but just not right at Shepard's side. For example, I brought Javik and Garrus, they also got blasted by Harvester, but Liara, Tali, James, Kaiden, and EDI were all behind me, most likely filling in wherever they best could. Also I had Grunt, Samara, Jack, Zaeed, and Wrex as part of Hammer team. It is entirely plausible that they could have made it to the beam if Harbinger had been defeated or chased away.

Before you ask about Harbinger being defeated or chased away, I forgot to mention it in my first post, but a kamikazi by the normandy could have done the trick, IF it was done with an FTL jump. The problem here is that an FTL jump cannot be plotted if there is not a clear path, and no ship is able to override that safety feature. But a ship equiped with an advanced AI that has been designed with reaper tech could probably find a work around. Anyway, Harbinger gone, the only thing standing between what is left of hammer team and the citidel is what is left of the reaper ground forces.

As for what happens to Shep at the end, I don't know, maybe he has to kill himself, maybe he dies from his wounds anyway. Maybe indoctrination dies with the reapers. Who knows? The fact is that regardless of what happens, it doesn't interfer with the indoc theory picking up where the game left off.

(edit)

Just saw that you already found another answer that convinces you it was possible. I guess this post was unnecessary, still, I am glad that you now agree that it COULD be done.

Modifié par moater boat, 20 mars 2012 - 10:20 .

[SimKoning]

MassEffected555 wrote...

Just what the title says.

What's next? The game specifically states once you are indoctrinated you are permantly. There is no cure. You can't block it - I dont care about books, not everyone read the books the are not cannon to the video games, they are side stories.

OK so according to the video game you can't get rid of indoctrination. So what happens after Shep wakes up? Only think I can think of is Benezia and Saren. They were able to resist if only for a short time and that was for Saren to kill himself and for Benezia to give them some info on Saren. Note that Benezia right back at trying to kill SHep and crew after she gave the info.

So taking that into consideration, what does Shep do next? Save the day in 2 minutes or less and then shoot himself in the face before he is back under Reaper control?

It is also stated that when the Reapers leave after a cycle the people who were indoctrinated and no longer hear the signal from the reapers just stand around and starve to death. The reapers leave and the signal stops, but everyone is still a brain dead vegie.

So please let me know what to expect after the Indoc Theory because it looks pretty bleak to me.  

     Nothing is certain in real life, so why should it be any different in a fictional world? There is technically no cure for AIDS, but there are instances where people survive it. Shepard could be the exception to the rule. 

[Thorn Harvestar]

MassEffected555 wrote...

xztr wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

xztr wrote...

How about that if you pick destruction option Shepard fights off the ID for a time being, could be much more then some seconds since he/she is very stronge willed.

You make another attempt to reach the beam, get teleported.
Doesnt have to be the same "citadel" as in the "dream" if we now suggest it was just a dream.

At the citadel you shoot ppl up, blow things up, get **** together and we see some sort of new ending with all the choices and war assets we have gathered.

Then Shepard could either die from ID or they decide to put him/her in a stasis pod and make a cooler "Speculation for everyone" end.

Was that a reasonable way bioware could take the "new" ending?

People have said things close to that and the only problem I have with it is that what I said about Sheps physical and mental state after being hit by the beam and blocking indoctrination. I would have to assume he is in bad shape so wouldn't you think having him go through all that stuff would be a little far fetched? He is only human. 

I am having a hard time seeing how ANYONE can go through all that, and still have the strength to do anything. 

Well we can clearly hear that not all of the soldiers died since they are falling back and regrouping. It could start with them coming back and finding Shepard alive helping him/her up (just like the picture at the back of the collector edition box). They make it to the beam, gets teleported and do we actually know 100% that everyone on the citadel is dead? Didnt we actually have some war assets on the citadel, like giving civilians weapons, organise the military there etc etc?

Couldnt there be some sort of resistance that actually could help your cause there?

OK it only took 14 pages for someone to come up with something I could see happening and that doesn't open up more plot holes.

Thank you I am now satisfied they can make the theory work.

You didn't made the missing squad mates appear. You didn't have the Normandy come down and save the day. You didn't have Shep pop up and be fully healed and capable of kicking Reaper ass.

You used war assets and stuff we worked for. I don't know what that was so hard. 

lol That's really all I was asking for. It's pretty funny the few people that came in here and raged for no reason. You made yourselves look like fools. 

Thank you by the way. 

EDIT- for the record I still don't think they are gonna use the theory, and I definitely don't think it was planned. But now if they do and they do it right like aboves idea I would actually play it. 

Considering you only pick 2 crewmates to follow you, would you find it feasible for the crew you didn't select to lead the group that finds you in the rubble (and maybe finds your 2 squadmates, depending on your EMS and stuff)?

[Jaze55]

Thorn Harvestar wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

xztr wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

xztr wrote...

How about that if you pick destruction option Shepard fights off the ID for a time being, could be much more then some seconds since he/she is very stronge willed.

You make another attempt to reach the beam, get teleported.
Doesnt have to be the same "citadel" as in the "dream" if we now suggest it was just a dream.

At the citadel you shoot ppl up, blow things up, get **** together and we see some sort of new ending with all the choices and war assets we have gathered.

Then Shepard could either die from ID or they decide to put him/her in a stasis pod and make a cooler "Speculation for everyone" end.

Was that a reasonable way bioware could take the "new" ending?

People have said things close to that and the only problem I have with it is that what I said about Sheps physical and mental state after being hit by the beam and blocking indoctrination. I would have to assume he is in bad shape so wouldn't you think having him go through all that stuff would be a little far fetched? He is only human. 

I am having a hard time seeing how ANYONE can go through all that, and still have the strength to do anything. 

Well we can clearly hear that not all of the soldiers died since they are falling back and regrouping. It could start with them coming back and finding Shepard alive helping him/her up (just like the picture at the back of the collector edition box). They make it to the beam, gets teleported and do we actually know 100% that everyone on the citadel is dead? Didnt we actually have some war assets on the citadel, like giving civilians weapons, organise the military there etc etc?

Couldnt there be some sort of resistance that actually could help your cause there?

OK it only took 14 pages for someone to come up with something I could see happening and that doesn't open up more plot holes.

Thank you I am now satisfied they can make the theory work.

You didn't made the missing squad mates appear. You didn't have the Normandy come down and save the day. You didn't have Shep pop up and be fully healed and capable of kicking Reaper ass.

You used war assets and stuff we worked for. I don't know what that was so hard. 

lol That's really all I was asking for. It's pretty funny the few people that came in here and raged for no reason. You made yourselves look like fools. 

Thank you by the way. 

EDIT- for the record I still don't think they are gonna use the theory, and I definitely don't think it was planned. But now if they do and they do it right like aboves idea I would actually play it. 

Considering you only pick 2 crewmates to follow you, would you find it feasible for the crew you didn't select to lead the group that finds you in the rubble (and maybe finds your 2 squadmates, depending on your EMS and stuff)?

Not with what we currently have. They vanish. For all we know they got vaporized by the beam. You can't say otherwise and if they are not vaporized where are they? They are gone before Shep got hit with the beam.


EDIT- on sorry read that wrong.

But still no, where do they come from? Normandy is w/ Sword team..... but yeah I guess your entire group is still on land since you say bye to them all. Why not have the rest of the team come out, didn't think of that.


Neither did anyone else though which was why I was asking. Having the rest of your team come out if actually a pretty dam good idea. 

Still don't think its gonna happen though. 

Modifié par MassEffected555, 20 mars 2012 - 10:24 .

[tersidre]

It is possible to beat indoctrination... Benezia did it.

As for what happens after if indoctrination theory is accurate? I think its pretty obvious.... shepard is obviously alive but probably pretty messed up he after all did take a huge laser to the face. You can obviously hear that not everyone was wiped out just the first wave towards the space elevator.

During your charge if you notice none of your squad mates are with you. My guess is that after harbringer (i think thats the reaper that shoots at you while your running towards the space elevator) flies away then another team moves forward most likely consisting of a few of your squad mates.


What happens after that is honestly up to debate because that is where common sense ends and they will have to come up with some way to beat the reapers. You still need to get to the citadel so my guess is the entire last chapter is getting to and then fighting through the citadel to open the arms for the crucible. After that lets just hope vent boy doesnt make an appearance.

[Vhalkyrie]

MassEffected555 wrote...

Panicomatic wrote...

I'm pretty sure that if you take the destroy ending and have a high enough ems that you will shake of the Indoctrination. If you chose synthesis or control then you lose the inner battle and accept the will of the Reapers.

No sorry the game says it's permanant. Unless you want to open another plot hole to fill in a plot hole.

Death is also permanent.

Unless you're Commander Shepard.

[xztr]

MassEffected555 wrote...

Thorn Harvestar wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

xztr wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

xztr wrote...

How about that if you pick destruction option Shepard fights off the ID for a time being, could be much more then some seconds since he/she is very stronge willed.

You make another attempt to reach the beam, get teleported.
Doesnt have to be the same "citadel" as in the "dream" if we now suggest it was just a dream.

At the citadel you shoot ppl up, blow things up, get **** together and we see some sort of new ending with all the choices and war assets we have gathered.

Then Shepard could either die from ID or they decide to put him/her in a stasis pod and make a cooler "Speculation for everyone" end.

Was that a reasonable way bioware could take the "new" ending?

People have said things close to that and the only problem I have with it is that what I said about Sheps physical and mental state after being hit by the beam and blocking indoctrination. I would have to assume he is in bad shape so wouldn't you think having him go through all that stuff would be a little far fetched? He is only human. 

I am having a hard time seeing how ANYONE can go through all that, and still have the strength to do anything. 

Well we can clearly hear that not all of the soldiers died since they are falling back and regrouping. It could start with them coming back and finding Shepard alive helping him/her up (just like the picture at the back of the collector edition box). They make it to the beam, gets teleported and do we actually know 100% that everyone on the citadel is dead? Didnt we actually have some war assets on the citadel, like giving civilians weapons, organise the military there etc etc?

Couldnt there be some sort of resistance that actually could help your cause there?

OK it only took 14 pages for someone to come up with something I could see happening and that doesn't open up more plot holes.

Thank you I am now satisfied they can make the theory work.

You didn't made the missing squad mates appear. You didn't have the Normandy come down and save the day. You didn't have Shep pop up and be fully healed and capable of kicking Reaper ass.

You used war assets and stuff we worked for. I don't know what that was so hard. 

lol That's really all I was asking for. It's pretty funny the few people that came in here and raged for no reason. You made yourselves look like fools. 

Thank you by the way. 

EDIT- for the record I still don't think they are gonna use the theory, and I definitely don't think it was planned. But now if they do and they do it right like aboves idea I would actually play it. 

Considering you only pick 2 crewmates to follow you, would you find it feasible for the crew you didn't select to lead the group that finds you in the rubble (and maybe finds your 2 squadmates, depending on your EMS and stuff)?

Not with what we currently have. They vanish. For all we know they got vaporized by the beam. You can't say otherwise and if they are not vaporized where are they? They are gone before Shep got hit with the beam.

If you havent seen the youtub vid with the deleted scene, do it.
It shows your squad being blown up by harbringer and shepard have to go alone.
Dunno why they altered that, maybe to give us hope that they didnt die after all.

www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par xztr, 20 mars 2012 - 10:25 .

[Jaze55]

tersidre wrote...

It is possible to beat indoctrination... Benezia did it.

As for what happens after if indoctrination theory is accurate? I think its pretty obvious.... shepard is obviously alive but probably pretty messed up he after all did take a huge laser to the face. You can obviously hear that not everyone was wiped out just the first wave towards the space elevator.

During your charge if you notice none of your squad mates are with you. My guess is that after harbringer (i think thats the reaper that shoots at you while your running towards the space elevator) flies away then another team moves forward most likely consisting of a few of your squad mates.


What happens after that is honestly up to debate because that is where common sense ends and they will have to come up with some way to beat the reapers. You still need to get to the citadel so my guess is the entire last chapter is getting to and then fighting through the citadel to open the arms for the crucible. After that lets just hope vent boy doesnt make an appearance.

Benezia did NOT beat it, she blocked it for 2 minutes to give Shep info then went right back to attacking them. 

[RogueBot]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Well thats exactly why so many people support the theory - because that's what an upcoming DLC might be all about.

If Bioware goes the indoc route, it needs to come on a disc, not just downloadable. There are still a lot of people without internet access and cutting them out of the "real ending" to Shepard's story would be pretty low.

Maybe Bioware could go all the way and make it a full-fledged expansion.

Modifié par RogueBot, 20 mars 2012 - 10:26 .

[Jaze55]

xztr wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

Thorn Harvestar wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

xztr wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

xztr wrote...

How about that if you pick destruction option Shepard fights off the ID for a time being, could be much more then some seconds since he/she is very stronge willed.

You make another attempt to reach the beam, get teleported.


Doesnt have to be the same "citadel" as in the "dream" if we now suggest it was just a dream.

At the citadel you shoot ppl up, blow things up, get **** together and we see some sort of new ending with all the choices and war assets we have gathered.

Then Shepard could either die from ID or they decide to put him/her in a stasis pod and make a cooler "Speculation for everyone" end.

Was that a reasonable way bioware could take the "new" ending?

People have said things close to that and the only problem I have with it is that what I said about Sheps physical and mental state after being hit by the beam and blocking indoctrination. I would have to assume he is in bad shape so wouldn't you think having him go through all that stuff would be a little far fetched? He is only human. 

I am having a hard time seeing how ANYONE can go through all that, and still have the strength to do anything. 

Well we can clearly hear that not all of the soldiers died since they are falling back and regrouping. It could start with them coming back and finding Shepard alive helping him/her up (just like the picture at the back of the collector edition box). They make it to the beam, gets teleported and do we actually know 100% that everyone on the citadel is dead? Didnt we actually have some war assets on the citadel, like giving civilians weapons, organise the military there etc etc?

Couldnt there be some sort of resistance that actually could help your cause there?

OK it only took 14 pages for someone to come up with something I could see happening and that doesn't open up more plot holes.

Thank you I am now satisfied they can make the theory work.

You didn't made the missing squad mates appear. You didn't have the Normandy come down and save the day. You didn't have Shep pop up and be fully healed and capable of kicking Reaper ass.

You used war assets and stuff we worked for. I don't know what that was so hard. 

lol That's really all I was asking for. It's pretty funny the few people that came in here and raged for no reason. You made yourselves look like fools. 

Thank you by the way. 

EDIT- for the record I still don't think they are gonna use the theory, and I definitely don't think it was planned. But now if they do and they do it right like aboves idea I would actually play it. 

Considering you only pick 2 crewmates to follow you, would you find it feasible for the crew you didn't select to lead the group that finds you in the rubble (and maybe finds your 2 squadmates, depending on your EMS and stuff)?

Not with what we currently have. They vanish. For all we know they got vaporized by the beam. You can't say otherwise and if they are not vaporized where are they? They are gone before Shep got hit with the beam.

If you havent seen the youtub vid with the deleted scene, do it.
It shows your squad being blown up by harbringer and shepard have to go alone.
Dunno why they altered that, maybe to give us hope that they didnt die after all.

I did see it. I actually linked it first back on page 7 I think explaining that happens.  

BUT that's a deleted scene they didn't fix in game so we can't use that as a way to shore up the ending. Having them knocked off the path from an explosion and then having the rest of your team find them and help you works however. 

[The Real Bowser]

He blocks the indoctrination through sheer will.  If the reapers are destroyed, they can't control him.

[Drxx]

Shepard shake off indoctrination and kill harbinger.
Then we get celebration party.
Perfect ending.

[Jaze55]

RogueBot wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Well thats exactly why so many people support the theory - because that's what an upcoming DLC might be all about.

If Bioware goes the indoc route, it needs to come on a disc, not just downloadable. There are still a lot of people without internet access and cutting them out of the "real ending" to Shepard's story would be pretty low.

Maybe Bioware could go all the way and make it a full-fledged expansion.

It's looking like it's going to have to be quite large actually and a lot of work.

Another reason I can't see it happening. 

They need to do something tho it's been long enough and it's getting ridiculous. 

[Thorn Harvestar]

MassEffected555 wrote...

Thorn Harvestar wrote...


Considering you only pick 2 crewmates to follow you, would you find it feasible for the crew you didn't select to lead the group that finds you in the rubble (and maybe finds your 2 squadmates, depending on your EMS and stuff)?

Not with what we currently have. They vanish. For all we know they got vaporized by the beam. You can't say otherwise and if they are not vaporized where are they? They are gone before Shep got hit with the beam.


EDIT- on sorry read that wrong.

But still no, where do they come from? Normandy is w/ Sword team..... but yeah I guess your entire group is still on land since you say bye to them all. Why not have the rest of the team come out, didn't think of that.


Neither did anyone else though which was why I was asking. Having the rest of your team come out if actually a pretty dam good idea. 

Still don't think its gonna happen though. 

Yeah, I think any change is sadly a long shot from happening, but you got what I meant: Not the Normandy itself, but the crewmates you spoke to on the ground. They should be fairly close by...

Actually, this makes the current Normandy Crash scene even MORE farfetched than I thought: How did they wrangle up the other crew mates that were on the ground that fast as well?

EDIT: If the other crew caught up with the 2 you picked, then that means they ALL AGREED TO ABANDON YOU?

Modifié par Thorn Harvestar, 20 mars 2012 - 10:29 .

[Tiax Rules All]

MassEffected555 wrote...

Thread is done, see a few posts up.

its been done from the start.

[moater boat]

Thorn Harvestar wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

xztr wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

xztr wrote...

How about that if you pick destruction option Shepard fights off the ID for a time being, could be much more then some seconds since he/she is very stronge willed.

You make another attempt to reach the beam, get teleported.
Doesnt have to be the same "citadel" as in the "dream" if we now suggest it was just a dream.

At the citadel you shoot ppl up, blow things up, get **** together and we see some sort of new ending with all the choices and war assets we have gathered.

Then Shepard could either die from ID or they decide to put him/her in a stasis pod and make a cooler "Speculation for everyone" end.

Was that a reasonable way bioware could take the "new" ending?

People have said things close to that and the only problem I have with it is that what I said about Sheps physical and mental state after being hit by the beam and blocking indoctrination. I would have to assume he is in bad shape so wouldn't you think having him go through all that stuff would be a little far fetched? He is only human. 

I am having a hard time seeing how ANYONE can go through all that, and still have the strength to do anything. 

Well we can clearly hear that not all of the soldiers died since they are falling back and regrouping. It could start with them coming back and finding Shepard alive helping him/her up (just like the picture at the back of the collector edition box). They make it to the beam, gets teleported and do we actually know 100% that everyone on the citadel is dead? Didnt we actually have some war assets on the citadel, like giving civilians weapons, organise the military there etc etc?

Couldnt there be some sort of resistance that actually could help your cause there?

OK it only took 14 pages for someone to come up with something I could see happening and that doesn't open up more plot holes.

Thank you I am now satisfied they can make the theory work.

You didn't made the missing squad mates appear. You didn't have the Normandy come down and save the day. You didn't have Shep pop up and be fully healed and capable of kicking Reaper ass.

You used war assets and stuff we worked for. I don't know what that was so hard. 

lol That's really all I was asking for. It's pretty funny the few people that came in here and raged for no reason. You made yourselves look like fools. 

Thank you by the way. 

EDIT- for the record I still don't think they are gonna use the theory, and I definitely don't think it was planned. But now if they do and they do it right like aboves idea I would actually play it. 

Considering you only pick 2 crewmates to follow you, would you find it feasible for the crew you didn't select to lead the group that finds you in the rubble (and maybe finds your 2 squadmates, depending on your EMS and stuff)?

Exactly! It is only reasonable that the alliance officers (James, Kaiden, Ashley) would be filling providing leadership roles for what remains of hammer team. EDI would probably act as some sort of coordinator between sword and hammer, since she is technically part of both teams, Garus would be providing sniper support from far away, Tali could very well be in/with some of the vehicles farther back. Javik would be up to his 4 eyeballs in reaper forces trying to exact some long overdue vengence, and Liara would trying to keep him alive so she can continue to study him. Eventually ALL the survivors are intended to make it to the beam. Just because the initial wave gets wiped out, it doesn't mean they ALL die.

[xztr]

RogueBot wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Well thats exactly why so many people support the theory - because that's what an upcoming DLC might be all about.

If Bioware goes the indoc route, it needs to come on a disc, not just downloadable. There are still a lot of people without internet access and cutting them out of the "real ending" to Shepard's story would be pretty low of Bioware.

Maybe Bioware could go all the way and make it a full-fledged expansion.

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I still dont get how that would be the REAL ending if we demand it. Sure it would be more pleasable but the damage is already done. It's not the ending Bioware wanted thus it cant be a true ending. And that is whats making me sad. I would rather have an explanation to why they choose the god-being end rather then any other ending. So we could have a closure to this discussion instead.

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Wait - So Shep get's indoctrinated or does NOT get indoctrinated by the theory?

i have heard both.

If he does he is screwed, if he doesn't he will be the first person ever to block it.