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[Glitch007]

MassEffected555 wrote...

Panicomatic wrote...

I'm pretty sure that if you take the destroy ending and have a high enough ems that you will shake of the Indoctrination. If you chose synthesis or control then you lose the inner battle and accept the will of the Reapers.

No sorry the game says it's permanant. Unless you want to open another plot hole to fill in a plot hole.

Saren stops it, commits sucide granted, but stops it long enough to kill himself.

Modifié par Glitch007, 20 mars 2012 - 10:31 .

[RazorrX]

The reapers win, kill off all advanced sentient life, destroy the crucible and return the citadel to its original location. Then they return to darkspace to wait another 50000 years.

[Jaze55]

xztr wrote...

RogueBot wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Well thats exactly why so many people support the theory - because that's what an upcoming DLC might be all about.

If Bioware goes the indoc route, it needs to come on a disc, not just downloadable. There are still a lot of people without internet access and cutting them out of the "real ending" to Shepard's story would be pretty low of Bioware.

Maybe Bioware could go all the way and make it a full-fledged expansion.

OT
I still dont get how that would be the REAL ending if we demand it. Sure it would be more pleasable but the damage is already done. It's not the ending Bioware wanted thus it cant be a true ending. And that is whats making me sad. I would rather have an explanation to why they choose the god-being end rather then any other ending. So we could have a closure to this discussion instead.

Honestly I am really not convinced in the theory im just tired of talking about it. It's full of plot holes no matter how you look at it. 

I would rather they keep as is and just add to it with some explanation. Or just explain it in a post. SAY something already. 

The indoc theory is not happening in any case so I don't know why i even wasted my time. I really did try to listen but in the end, nothing was answered for me and all I gathered was more plot holes and inconsistencies to the story. 

I tried though I really did.


I am officially agreeing to disagree. 

[Jaze55]

RazorrX wrote...

The reapers win, kill off all advanced sentient life, destroy the crucible and return the citadel to its original location. Then they return to darkspace to wait another 50000 years.

But we don't want an ending with cupcakes and rainbows remember. They would call us entitled if we asked for a happy ending like that. 
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That was a joke. 

Modifié par MassEffected555, 20 mars 2012 - 10:34 .

[RogueBot]

xztr wrote...

RogueBot wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Well thats exactly why so many people support the theory - because that's what an upcoming DLC might be all about.

If Bioware goes the indoc route, it needs to come on a disc, not just downloadable. There are still a lot of people without internet access and cutting them out of the "real ending" to Shepard's story would be pretty low of Bioware.

Maybe Bioware could go all the way and make it a full-fledged expansion.

OT
I still dont get how that would be the REAL ending if we demand it. Sure it would be more pleasable but the damage is already done. It's not the ending Bioware wanted thus it cant be a true ending. And that is whats making me sad. I would rather have an explanation to why they choose the god-being end rather then any other ending. So we could have a closure to this discussion instead.

That's a good point, and it's something I considered, but my post was operating under the theory that a sequel or expansion was already in Bioware's plans, and not just a reaction to negative fan response.

My gut feeling tells me that ME3's ending was supposed to really be "the end", though, which means that the damage is already done, like you said. But I think most people would just be happy to have a different ending.

Modifié par RogueBot, 20 mars 2012 - 10:36 .

[Sleeping Slig]

RogueBot wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Well thats exactly why so many people support the theory - because that's what an upcoming DLC might be all about.

If Bioware goes the indoc route, it needs to come on a disc, not just downloadable. There are still a lot of people without internet access and cutting them out of the "real ending" to Shepard's story would be pretty low.

Maybe Bioware could go all the way and make it a full-fledged expansion.

I agree, even if it's a small number of players it wouldn't be right if they couldn't get the "real ending" the idea that a "final" Indoctrination ending is not on the original disc or would possibly only be available as DLC is the only big problem I have with it.

[Tiax Rules All]

MassEffected555 wrote...

Wait - So Shep get's indoctrinated or does NOT get indoctrinated by the theory?

i have heard both.

If he does he is screwed, if he doesn't he will be the first person ever to block it.

yes...

does = screwed, possibly im not a writer. doesn't have to be.
doesn't = first person, dont know maybe there has been others. how would we know? but Shep has done alot of firsts. first one to take down a reaper, first one to unite a galaxy, first human spectre, first to survive being spaced and put back together.

once again, so?
your points =/= the end of IDT

[jaze89]

MassEffected555 wrote...

xztr wrote...

RogueBot wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Well thats exactly why so many people support the theory - because that's what an upcoming DLC might be all about.

If Bioware goes the indoc route, it needs to come on a disc, not just downloadable. There are still a lot of people without internet access and cutting them out of the "real ending" to Shepard's story would be pretty low of Bioware.

Maybe Bioware could go all the way and make it a full-fledged expansion.

OT
I still dont get how that would be the REAL ending if we demand it. Sure it would be more pleasable but the damage is already done. It's not the ending Bioware wanted thus it cant be a true ending. And that is whats making me sad. I would rather have an explanation to why they choose the god-being end rather then any other ending. So we could have a closure to this discussion instead.

Honestly I am really not convinced in the theory im just tired of talking about it. It's full of plot holes no matter how you look at it. 

I would rather they keep as is and just add to it with some explanation. Or just explain it in a post. SAY something already. 

The indoc theory is not happening in any case so I don't know why i even wasted my time. I really did try to listen but in the end, nothing was answered for me and all I gathered was more plot holes and inconsistencies to the story. 

I tried though I really did.


I am officially agreeing to disagree. 

*sigh* I don't know why I'm taking the bait but whatever. What plot holes are in the theory that haven't been argued against? The "evidence" you use are not facts but opinions based off of observations, observations that are not facts. Oh wait, this thread ended a page ago, why am I responding. 

Modifié par jaze89, 20 mars 2012 - 10:38 .

[Jaze55]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

Wait - So Shep get's indoctrinated or does NOT get indoctrinated by the theory?

i have heard both.

If he does he is screwed, if he doesn't he will be the first person ever to block it.

yes...

does = screwed, possibly im not a writer. doesn't have to be.
doesn't = first person, dont know maybe there has been others. how would we know? but Shep has done alot of firsts. first one to take down a reaper, first one to unite a galaxy, first human spectre, first to survive being spaced and put back together.

once again, so?
your points =/= the end of IDT

You know, for someone not interested in what I have to say you sure stuck around for a long time.

You can like my facebook page if you want. 

[Tiax Rules All]

jaze89 wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

*sigh* I don't know why I'm taking the bait but whatever. What plot holes are in the theory that haven't been argued against? The "evidence" you use are not facts but opinions based off of observations, observations that are not facts. Oh wait, this thread ended a page ago, why am I responding. 

here comes the circular logic by OP again.....

[HairyMadDog1010]

I assume If you went distroy shep makes it into the citidell and blows up the reapers using the crucible thus ending the indoc.

If you went with synth or controll maby you have to play as Anderson then kill shepard in a robo Saren like fight, after wich you blow up the reapers.

[KrazyKiko]

Well..."they" also theorized that the Protheans were the guys with the tentacle beards...but they changed that plot hole to be convenient. I'm guessing since "no other Organic" had gotten this far, perhaps the "destroy" option causes Shepard to 'snap' out of it and become un-indoctrinated.

[Jaze55]

jaze89 wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

xztr wrote...

RogueBot wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Well thats exactly why so many people support the theory - because that's what an upcoming DLC might be all about.

If Bioware goes the indoc route, it needs to come on a disc, not just downloadable. There are still a lot of people without internet access and cutting them out of the "real ending" to Shepard's story would be pretty low of Bioware.

Maybe Bioware could go all the way and make it a full-fledged expansion.

OT
I still dont get how that would be the REAL ending if we demand it. Sure it would be more pleasable but the damage is already done. It's not the ending Bioware wanted thus it cant be a true ending. And that is whats making me sad. I would rather have an explanation to why they choose the god-being end rather then any other ending. So we could have a closure to this discussion instead.

Honestly I am really not convinced in the theory im just tired of talking about it. It's full of plot holes no matter how you look at it. 

I would rather they keep as is and just add to it with some explanation. Or just explain it in a post. SAY something already. 

The indoc theory is not happening in any case so I don't know why i even wasted my time. I really did try to listen but in the end, nothing was answered for me and all I gathered was more plot holes and inconsistencies to the story. 

I tried though I really did.


I am officially agreeing to disagree. 

*sigh* I don't know why I'm taking the bait but whatever. What plot holes are in the theory that haven't been argued against? The "evidence" you use are not facts but opinions based off of observations, observations that are not facts. Oh wait, this thread ended a page ago, why am I responding. 

Feel free to go through the post. They are all in there. 

Picture all the indoc playing out. Shep wakes up and............ he is half dead and in extreme mental distress. A human just can't get up and be ok after that. That's my biggest issue. Shep is going to be in terrible shape how the hell is he supposed to do ANYTHING?

You really don't have to answer if you don't want, I am fine with just ignoring the Indoc Theory from now on. I would be happy to keep discussing if you want. 

[Tiax Rules All]

MassEffected555 wrote...
You know, for someone not interested in what I have to say you sure stuck around for a long time.

You can like my facebook page if you want. 

slow news day.

this thread is like watching a train wreck, i cant look away.

[Jaze55]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...
You know, for someone not interested in what I have to say you sure stuck around for a long time.

You can like my facebook page if you want. 

slow news day.

this thread is like watching a train wreck, i cant look away.

You sure be careful it doesn't hit you, no one would want that. I would lose a fan 

[xztr]

HairyMadDog1010 wrote...

I assume If you went distroy shep makes it into the citidell and blows up the reapers using the crucible thus ending the indoc.

If you went with synth or controll maby you have to play as Anderson then kill shepard in a robo Saren like fight, after wich you blow up the reapers.

Having Shepard as the last boss would be pretty cool, but I think I would go depressed afterwards.

[Jaze55]

xztr wrote...

HairyMadDog1010 wrote...

I assume If you went distroy shep makes it into the citidell and blows up the reapers using the crucible thus ending the indoc.

If you went with synth or controll maby you have to play as Anderson then kill shepard in a robo Saren like fight, after wich you blow up the reapers.

Having Shepard as the last boss would be pretty cool, but I think I would go depressed afterwards.

Yeah I really wouldn't be happy if I had to kill Shepard. 

[Tiax Rules All]

if we knew shep would get spaced at the begginung of ME2 and survive, say if a dev told us that before release, we would all have said it was stupid and a "plot hole"

but they did it right and we all knew it wasn't AFTER we let them write what they had to write to make it work. let them do the same for the DLC, analysing it before its released or even announced sets yourslef up for making assumptions that will make you look silly in the end. that was my point about this thread.

if they write a plot hole then adress it after the fact, why speculate on speculation?

[clicksqueak]

not sure if someone has said this but from what I have read of the indoctrination theory it doesn't really say Shepard is indoctrinated only that they are attempting to indoctrinate her. The whole scenario that pans out post beam is her minds attempt to rationalize the struggle similar to what Legion does for Shepard when she enters the VI world.

[Jaze55]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

if we knew shep would get spaced at the begginung of ME2 and survive, say if a dev told us that before release, we would all have said it was stupid and a "plot hole"

but they did it right and we all knew it wasn't AFTER we let them write what they had to write to make it work. let them do the same for the DLC, analysing it before its released or even announced sets yourslef up for making assumptions that will make you look silly in the end. that was my point about this thread.

if they write a plot hole then adress it after the fact, why speculate on speculation?

They had an enite game to explain that. You are asking them to do the same in 5 minutes.

Not a fail comparison at all I'm afraid. 

[Jaze55]

clicksqueak wrote...

not sure if someone has said this but from what I have read of the indoctrination theory it doesn't really say Shepard is indoctrinated only that they are attempting to indoctrinate her. The whole scenario that pans out post beam is her minds attempt to rationalize the struggle similar to what Legion does for Shepard when she enters the VI world.

Yes but the question was what happens next.


I don't even know why I am still here.

[jaze89]

MassEffected555 wrote...

jaze89 wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

xztr wrote...

RogueBot wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Well thats exactly why so many people support the theory - because that's what an upcoming DLC might be all about.

If Bioware goes the indoc route, it needs to come on a disc, not just downloadable. There are still a lot of people without internet access and cutting them out of the "real ending" to Shepard's story would be pretty low of Bioware.

Maybe Bioware could go all the way and make it a full-fledged expansion.

OT
I still dont get how that would be the REAL ending if we demand it. Sure it would be more pleasable but the damage is already done. It's not the ending Bioware wanted thus it cant be a true ending. And that is whats making me sad. I would rather have an explanation to why they choose the god-being end rather then any other ending. So we could have a closure to this discussion instead.

Honestly I am really not convinced in the theory im just tired of talking about it. It's full of plot holes no matter how you look at it. 

I would rather they keep as is and just add to it with some explanation. Or just explain it in a post. SAY something already. 

The indoc theory is not happening in any case so I don't know why i even wasted my time. I really did try to listen but in the end, nothing was answered for me and all I gathered was more plot holes and inconsistencies to the story. 

I tried though I really did.


I am officially agreeing to disagree. 

*sigh* I don't know why I'm taking the bait but whatever. What plot holes are in the theory that haven't been argued against? The "evidence" you use are not facts but opinions based off of observations, observations that are not facts. Oh wait, this thread ended a page ago, why am I responding. 

Feel free to go through the post. They are all in there. 

Picture all the indoc playing out. Shep wakes up and............ he is half dead and in extreme mental distress. A human just can't get up and be ok after that. That's my biggest issue. Shep is going to be in terrible shape how the hell is he supposed to do ANYTHING?

You really don't have to answer if you don't want, I am fine with just ignoring the Indoc Theory from now on. I would be happy to keep discussing if you want. 

Well I know the "evidence", the "plot hole" you think is present in the Indoctrination Theory, you used in the other thread you were "not trolling" in. Which were you saying that once indoctrinated that's it you're a reaper tool even though people gave you evidence that people have broken through indoctrination, evidence you chose to ignore: Matriarch Benezia, Saren Arterius, Shiala, and the Rachni queen. People - including me - have also said that the Indoctrination Theory theorizes that Shepard is not indoctrinated (not fully indoctrinated) but is in the process of indoctrination and that the ending present in Mass Effect 3 is Shepard's psychological battle against Harbringer's final attempt to indoctrinate Shepard. If you choose Destroy you break free of indoctrination becoming one of the few in the galaxy to do so.

Modifié par jaze89, 20 mars 2012 - 10:52 .

[clicksqueak]

MassEffected555 wrote...

clicksqueak wrote...

not sure if someone has said this but from what I have read of the indoctrination theory it doesn't really say Shepard is indoctrinated only that they are attempting to indoctrinate her. The whole scenario that pans out post beam is her minds attempt to rationalize the struggle similar to what Legion does for Shepard when she enters the VI world.

Yes but the question was what happens next.


I don't even know why I am still here.

could go any number of ways from this point forward since this would be only one milesone on the road to victory.  Not saying this should or was intended as the ending just that it could work very easily.

[Tiax Rules All]

MassEffected555 wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

if we knew shep would get spaced at the begginung of ME2 and survive, say if a dev told us that before release, we would all have said it was stupid and a "plot hole"

but they did it right and we all knew it wasn't AFTER we let them write what they had to write to make it work. let them do the same for the DLC, analysing it before its released or even announced sets yourslef up for making assumptions that will make you look silly in the end. that was my point about this thread.

if they write a plot hole then adress it after the fact, why speculate on speculation?

They had an enite game to explain that. You are asking them to do the same in 5 minutes.

Not a fail comparison at all I'm afraid. 

who said 5 minutes? you did, i didn't... how is one person capable of so much misunderstanding.. are you like 12?

how do you know how long additional content will be? HOW? your assumptions are insane, surely the others see this. why cant you

[Jaze55]

jaze89 wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

jaze89 wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

xztr wrote...

RogueBot wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Well thats exactly why so many people support the theory - because that's what an upcoming DLC might be all about.

If Bioware goes the indoc route, it needs to come on a disc, not just downloadable. There are still a lot of people without internet access and cutting them out of the "real ending" to Shepard's story would be pretty low of Bioware.

Maybe Bioware could go all the way and make it a full-fledged expansion.

OT
I still dont get how that would be the REAL ending if we demand it. Sure it would be more pleasable but the damage is already done. It's not the ending Bioware wanted thus it cant be a true ending. And that is whats making me sad. I would rather have an explanation to why they choose the god-being end rather then any other ending. So we could have a closure to this discussion instead.

Honestly I am really not convinced in the theory im just tired of talking about it. It's full of plot holes no matter how you look at it. 

I would rather they keep as is and just add to it with some explanation. Or just explain it in a post. SAY something already. 

The indoc theory is not happening in any case so I don't know why i even wasted my time. I really did try to listen but in the end, nothing was answered for me and all I gathered was more plot holes and inconsistencies to the story. 

I tried though I really did.


I am officially agreeing to disagree. 

*sigh* I don't know why I'm taking the bait but whatever. What plot holes are in the theory that haven't been argued against? The "evidence" you use are not facts but opinions based off of observations, observations that are not facts. Oh wait, this thread ended a page ago, why am I responding. 

Feel free to go through the post. They are all in there. 

Picture all the indoc playing out. Shep wakes up and............ he is half dead and in extreme mental distress. A human just can't get up and be ok after that. That's my biggest issue. Shep is going to be in terrible shape how the hell is he supposed to do ANYTHING?

You really don't have to answer if you don't want, I am fine with just ignoring the Indoc Theory from now on. I would be happy to keep discussing if you want. 

Well I know the one you used in the other thread you were "not trolling" in. Which were you saying that once indoctrinated that's it you're a reaper tool even though people gave you evidence that people have broken through indoctrination evidence you chose to ignore, Matriarch Benezia, Saren Arterius, Shiala, and the Rachni queen. People - including me - have also said that the Indoctrination Theory theorizes that Shepard is not indoctrinated (not fully indoctrinated) but is in the process of indoctrination and that the ending present in Mass Effect 3 is Shepard's psychological battle against Harbringer's final attempt to indoctrinate Shepard. If you choose Destroy you break free of indoctrination becoming one of the few in the galaxy to do so.

Yes, I am asking what happens after he wakes up.

Do you agree that:

Shepard got blasted by the laser and has some pretty bad physical ailments?

He just fought off an indoctrination attempt, the only person ever to do so. Is it not safe to say he would be in a terrible mental state right after?


So, how is it possible that Shepard AFTER blocking the Indoctrination attempt,  get's up and somehow still saves the galaxy in the state he is in?