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[jaze89]

Well I think I'm done, it's quite obvious you're trolling your little heart out with your selective evidence. You'd be a good replacement for Sean Hannity or Bill O'Reilly.

Modifié par jaze89, 20 mars 2012 - 11:10 .

[Jaze55]

MassEffected555 wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

xsdob wrote...

jkflipflopDAO wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

N7L4D wrote...

Again it's an indoctrination attempt, stop changing words, shep is only indoctrinated if she picks synthesis or control

They don't attempt they just indoctrinate you. Show me proof that they ever attempted and failed to indoctrinate someone and I will agree with you no problem.

Oh but the books don't count. Don't forget that. Not everyone read the books so they are not cannon to the video games. 

Just because you didn't read them doesn't mean they aren't canon. Your ignorance doesn't shape the law.

No...I read the books, no one has ever been "attempted" to be indoctrinated, they just were, once you start doing things you wouldn't normally do, Like Shu Qian helping to get his team killed and becoming manicly unstable, or Edan Had-dah working with humans and leaving evidence that could link him to these events, than it's pretty much over for you, theres no fight it off process.

Edan Had'dah was probably the most subtlely indoctrinated person ever, and yet he still did things he couldn't explain, like helping Dr. Qian, paying the blue suns so much money for their help, paying Skarr so much money and taking all of the insults he gave him, and getting so directly invovled in kidnapping kahlee sanders.

Indoctrination just happens, and it's effects aren't something that takes a few minutes to envelope you in. It takes days or weeks to do, and once your at the stage where your having full on halluciantions, your ****ed, it's that simple.

So to answer OP's questions, shepard wakes up, drools, and goes derped from his brain being turned to mush from the rushed indoctrination. That or he rises as a husk or illusive man type husk and...kills himself, or gets shot, or something.

It doesn't end well.

Oh so I was right after all.

LOL Thanks bro so so much. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.

Indoc theory will never EVER hold any water now. 

This is my response from now on. You all talked completely out of your asses. I provided facts and the ONLY thing I didn't have were the book. The person I quoted does and gave more evidence backing everything i said.

The indoc theory is bull****. End of story.

[Tiax Rules All]

MassEffected555 wrote...

This is my response from now on. You all talked completely out of your asses. I provided facts and the ONLY thing I didn't have were the book. The person I quoted does and gave more evidence backing everything i said.

The indoc theory is bull****. End of story.

lol, whos mad now?

the FACTS are we got evidence, you dont. You can yell your wrong all you want but any smart person would follow the evidence at hand instead of what your doing.

rhetorical questions and dismissing evidence IS NOT evidence for your side. it is a lack of evidence.

[Samuel L Shepard]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Samuel L Shepard wrote...

@MassEffected555 My question to you (or anybody) why does shepard survive ONLY with the destroy choice? It seems there is more to the endings if he can only survive with destroy IMO.

because its the only solution that would allow him to break indcotrination, the other choces represent compromising with the reapers ie giving into indoctrination. click my sig video if you havent seen alreaady.

Lol that was my point, the OP doesn't believe the IT (could be wrong we never know till we know) but the fact that shep can survive is the main reason that I think there is room for IT or something else.

[Tiax Rules All]

jaze89 wrote...

Well I think I'm done, it's quite obvious you're trolling your little heart out with your selective evidence. You'd be a good replacement for Sean Hannity or Bill O'Reilly.

[Tiax Rules All]

Samuel L Shepard wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Samuel L Shepard wrote...

@MassEffected555 My question to you (or anybody) why does shepard survive ONLY with the destroy choice? It seems there is more to the endings if he can only survive with destroy IMO.

because its the only solution that would allow him to break indcotrination, the other choces represent compromising with the reapers ie giving into indoctrination. click my sig video if you havent seen alreaady.

Lol that was my point, the OP doesn't believe the IT (could be wrong we never know till we know) but the fact that shep can survive is the main reason that I think there is room for IT or something else.

and we are supposed to be the "deniars"

its IN THE GAME. IE evidence...  asking "what is shep gonna do?" is not evidence.. its nothing,

Modifié par Tiax Rules All, 20 mars 2012 - 11:14 .

[CerinDeVane]

Wow, this place has a lot of angry quoting. Makes it hard to keep up with who's saying what! Heh.

[Tiax Rules All]

CerinDeVane wrote...

Wow, this place has a lot of angry quoting. Makes it hard to keep up with who's saying what! Heh.

this thread is long dead. admittedly i am now pointlessly argueing.

[GreyLord]

The circle goes round and round.

truth is, only people that broke out of indoc after they fell into that state are either crazy, die, or kill themselves.

There is NO happy way out, Shep DOES NOT toss off indoc...unless of course you create more plotholes.

If you are complaining about plotholes, than the entire indoc theory with destroy as a "happy" ending doesn't work.

Basically that boils down to people wanting what they've been accused of...wanting a "happy" ending rather than a good ending.

I'd be happy with an ending that explains what happens in truth with my team mates and takes into account all that I gathered and did previously. If it ends with the same destroy, control, synthesis...as long as my actions are taking into account...it doesn't bother me AS LONG AS I GET SOME SORT OF DECENT explanation. "Lots of speculation" isn't really what I'm happy about.

[CerinDeVane]

No worries. I think the ending is what you make out of it. My version runs closer to the IT than to other interpretations, so I'm all for seeing spirited debate (and like all such things, easy for that to run wild if not carefully controlled, but no harm done.)

[SaltyWaffles-PD]

MassEffected555 wrote...

Panicomatic wrote...

I'm pretty sure that if you take the destroy ending and have a high enough ems that you will shake of the Indoctrination. If you chose synthesis or control then you lose the inner battle and accept the will of the Reapers.

No sorry the game says it's permanant. Unless you want to open another plot hole to fill in a plot hole.

Yeah. Dumping plot holes and last-minute, blatant retcons is a big part of what got BW into this mess in the first place.

[Tiax Rules All]

GreyLord wrote...

The circle goes round and round.

truth is, only people that broke out of indoc after they fell into that state are either crazy, die, or kill themselves.

There is NO happy way out, Shep DOES NOT toss off indoc...unless of course you create more plotholes.

If you are complaining about plotholes, than the entire indoc theory with destroy as a "happy" ending doesn't work.

Basically that boils down to people wanting what they've been accused of...wanting a "happy" ending rather than a good ending.

I'd be happy with an ending that explains what happens in truth with my team mates and takes into account all that I gathered and did previously. If it ends with the same destroy, control, synthesis...as long as my actions are taking into account...it doesn't bother me AS LONG AS I GET SOME SORT OF DECENT explanation. "Lots of speculation" isn't really what I'm happy about.

now i can get behind this.    possibly best post in this mess of a thread.

[Jaze55]

MassEffected555 wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

xsdob wrote...

jkflipflopDAO wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

N7L4D wrote...

Again it's an indoctrination attempt, stop changing words, shep is only indoctrinated if she picks synthesis or control

They don't attempt they just indoctrinate you. Show me proof that they ever attempted and failed to indoctrinate someone and I will agree with you no problem.

Oh but the books don't count. Don't forget that. Not everyone read the books so they are not cannon to the video games. 

Just because you didn't read them doesn't mean they aren't canon. Your ignorance doesn't shape the law.

No...I read the books, no one has ever been "attempted" to be indoctrinated, they just were, once you start doing things you wouldn't normally do, Like Shu Qian helping to get his team killed and becoming manicly unstable, or Edan Had-dah working with humans and leaving evidence that could link him to these events, than it's pretty much over for you, theres no fight it off process.

Edan Had'dah was probably the most subtlely indoctrinated person ever, and yet he still did things he couldn't explain, like helping Dr. Qian, paying the blue suns so much money for their help, paying Skarr so much money and taking all of the insults he gave him, and getting so directly invovled in kidnapping kahlee sanders.

Indoctrination just happens, and it's effects aren't something that takes a few minutes to envelope you in. It takes days or weeks to do, and once your at the stage where your having full on halluciantions, your ****ed, it's that simple.

So to answer OP's questions, shepard wakes up, drools, and goes derped from his brain being turned to mush from the rushed indoctrination. That or he rises as a husk or illusive man type husk and...kills himself, or gets shot, or something.

It doesn't end well.

Oh so I was right after all.

LOL Thanks bro so so much. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.

Indoc theory will never EVER hold any water now. 

This is my response from now on. You all talked completely out of your asses. I provided facts and the ONLY thing I didn't have were the book. The person I quoted does and gave more evidence backing everything i said.

The indoc theory is bull****. End of story.

[Samuel L Shepard]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Samuel L Shepard wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Samuel L Shepard wrote...

@MassEffected555 My question to you (or anybody) why does shepard survive ONLY with the destroy choice? It seems there is more to the endings if he can only survive with destroy IMO.

because its the only solution that would allow him to break indcotrination, the other choces represent compromising with the reapers ie giving into indoctrination. click my sig video if you havent seen alreaady.

Lol that was my point, the OP doesn't believe the IT (could be wrong we never know till we know) but the fact that shep can survive is the main reason that I think there is room for IT or something else.

and we are supposed to be the "deniars"

its IN THE GAME. IE evidence...  asking "what is shep gonna do?" is not evidence.. its nothing,

S/He was just a clever troll when i saw on the second page when arkangel username (or something) quoted the op and showed what OP was doing then the OP completely ignored that post and pounced on minor wording from him later on to disprove.... just pathetic.

[Sleeping Slig]

Tiax or anyone in general,
Out of curiosity how would you feel if the theory were true. I personally think I would have a problem with the message it sends... Again I am just wondering what your view would be if (a huge if) they ended up releasing sometype of DLC?

Modifié par Sleeping Slig, 20 mars 2012 - 11:24 .

[Jaze55]

MassEffected555 wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

xsdob wrote...

jkflipflopDAO wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

N7L4D wrote...

Again it's an indoctrination attempt, stop changing words, shep is only indoctrinated if she picks synthesis or control

They don't attempt they just indoctrinate you. Show me proof that they ever attempted and failed to indoctrinate someone and I will agree with you no problem.

Oh but the books don't count. Don't forget that. Not everyone read the books so they are not cannon to the video games. 

Just because you didn't read them doesn't mean they aren't canon. Your ignorance doesn't shape the law.

No...I read the books, no one has ever been "attempted" to be indoctrinated, they just were, once you start doing things you wouldn't normally do, Like Shu Qian helping to get his team killed and becoming manicly unstable, or Edan Had-dah working with humans and leaving evidence that could link him to these events, than it's pretty much over for you, theres no fight it off process.

Edan Had'dah was probably the most subtlely indoctrinated person ever, and yet he still did things he couldn't explain, like helping Dr. Qian, paying the blue suns so much money for their help, paying Skarr so much money and taking all of the insults he gave him, and getting so directly invovled in kidnapping kahlee sanders.

Indoctrination just happens, and it's effects aren't something that takes a few minutes to envelope you in. It takes days or weeks to do, and once your at the stage where your having full on halluciantions, your ****ed, it's that simple.

So to answer OP's questions, shepard wakes up, drools, and goes derped from his brain being turned to mush from the rushed indoctrination. That or he rises as a husk or illusive man type husk and...kills himself, or gets shot, or something.

It doesn't end well.

Oh so I was right after all.

LOL Thanks bro so so much. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.

Indoc theory will never EVER hold any water now. 

This is my response from now on. You all talked completely out of your asses. I provided facts and the ONLY thing I didn't have were the book. The person I quoted does and gave more evidence backing everything i said.

The indoc theory is bull****. End of story.

[jaze89]

GreyLord wrote...

The circle goes round and round.

truth is, only people that broke out of indoc after they fell into that state are either crazy, die, or kill themselves.

There is NO happy way out, Shep DOES NOT toss off indoc...unless of course you create more plotholes.

If you are complaining about plotholes, than the entire indoc theory with destroy as a "happy" ending doesn't work.

Basically that boils down to people wanting what they've been accused of...wanting a "happy" ending rather than a good ending.

I'd be happy with an ending that explains what happens in truth with my team mates and takes into account all that I gathered and did previously. If it ends with the same destroy, control, synthesis...as long as my actions are taking into account...it doesn't bother me AS LONG AS I GET SOME SORT OF DECENT explanation. "Lots of speculation" isn't really what I'm happy about.

Although I'm done responding to the OP I'll respond to others, Shiala and the Rachni queen have suvived indoctrination have they not?

[xsdob]

I'm pretty sure I got it spot on. But with one more point, everyone who sees brain dead/husk/cyborg/freed shepard kill him/herself will fall into crippling depression from seeing their beckon of hope extinguished.

Moral plummets as news of shepards demise reach everyone, people throw down their weapons and let the husks take them rather than fight without him, and your love interest will kill themselves, an interesting note is that if you romanced tali, she flys back to rannoch just to jump off the cliff she would have, had you not gotten peace between quarians and geth.

That or now retard shepard gets retard strength and bashes harbinger so hard with their head, that it gets brain damage and all the reapers derp and die.

[Tiax Rules All]

Sleeping Slig wrote...

Tiax,
Out of curiosity how would you feel if the theory were true. I personally think I would have a problem with the message it sends... Again I am just wondering what your view would be if (a huge if) they ended up releasing sometype of DLC?

absolutely elated, it would mean that Bioware broke the 4th wall, indoctrinated thier customers in real time then finished the game properly later.

I would take some issue with having to pay, prob still would, but not cool
If free then praise the video game gods, we all get more for free. whats the problem?

If Me3 ended with "blue babies, and happily ever after" then we all would be returning our games and forgetting about it. moving on knowing there is no more left. Now we have hope for more shepard, more great stories, a better resolution.

i personly do not feel offended by being "tricked"
i would be very happy.

Modifié par Tiax Rules All, 20 mars 2012 - 11:25 .

[Jaze55]

jaze89 wrote...

GreyLord wrote...

The circle goes round and round.

truth is, only people that broke out of indoc after they fell into that state are either crazy, die, or kill themselves.

There is NO happy way out, Shep DOES NOT toss off indoc...unless of course you create more plotholes.

If you are complaining about plotholes, than the entire indoc theory with destroy as a "happy" ending doesn't work.

Basically that boils down to people wanting what they've been accused of...wanting a "happy" ending rather than a good ending.

I'd be happy with an ending that explains what happens in truth with my team mates and takes into account all that I gathered and did previously. If it ends with the same destroy, control, synthesis...as long as my actions are taking into account...it doesn't bother me AS LONG AS I GET SOME SORT OF DECENT explanation. "Lots of speculation" isn't really what I'm happy about.

Although I'm done responding to the OP I'll respond to others, Shiala and the Rachni queen have suvived indoctrination have they not?

I explained it. You are ignoring facts once again

Shiala only survived because of the Thorium linking her mind to the colony. HERE- 

Shiala is the only individual who has managed to completely overcome Sovereign's indoctrination without resorting to suicide. This is likely because she was linked directly to the ancient Thorian and 'indoctrinated' by the plant being in turn. After the Thorian died her mind was her own again. 

Mass Effect 3 data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIABAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAEALAAAAAABAAEAQAICTAEAOw%3D%3DEditIf Shiala survived, commander Shepard will receive an email detailing how the colonists on Feros are fighting the Reapers. Due to the Thorian spores, colonists are given an uncanny ability to sense one another, allowing them to think and act as one in battle. The long-term consequences of this connection are unknown, but helpful for the time being.Shiala also mentions that she feels as though she is still indoctrinated, as she can feel the Reapers' influence in her mind. However, she says that this is overridden by her connections to the other colonists.

DERP

THe Rachni I ahve not seen explained.

edit
A lot of you seem to be very ignorant of the game you profess to love so much.

Modifié par MassEffected555, 20 mars 2012 - 11:27 .

[Tiax Rules All]

lol op is copy/paste trolling his own thread. what a fail.

[Sett101]

 I think after Shep wakes up he will recruit Elvis and Hoffa onto his team and they will set out to warn people by posting this sign on every planet.

http://t0.gstatic.co...NmmJLqcreTE-RZw

Modifié par Sett101, 20 mars 2012 - 11:27 .

[Jaze55]

Sett101 wrote...

 I think after Shep wakes up he will recruit Elvis and Hoffa onto his team and they will set out to warn people by posting this sign on every planet.

[smilie]http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRtAFN3hV8hOWfx1uMmVaJZQeBRxugNGnYFx1hNmmJLqcreTE-RZw[/smilie]

They can play the credit music for the REAL ENDING too!!!!

[FearTheLiving]

GreyLord wrote...

The circle goes round and round.

truth is, only people that broke out of indoc after they fell into that state are either crazy, die, or kill themselves.

There is NO happy way out, Shep DOES NOT toss off indoc...unless of course you create more plotholes.

If you are complaining about plotholes, than the entire indoc theory with destroy as a "happy" ending doesn't work.

Basically that boils down to people wanting what they've been accused of...wanting a "happy" ending rather than a good ending.

I'd be happy with an ending that explains what happens in truth with my team mates and takes into account all that I gathered and did previously. If it ends with the same destroy, control, synthesis...as long as my actions are taking into account...it doesn't bother me AS LONG AS I GET SOME SORT OF DECENT explanation. "Lots of speculation" isn't really what I'm happy about.

Also got to think though IF Shepard is indoctrinated what happens when the Reapers are all destroyed? Does he go back to normal? The Reapers have never failed so we don't know for sure. if it's possible to break through indoctrination for a short time doesn't it mean that Shepard or whoever is still in there trying to fight through it? So even if Shepard is indoctrinated in the current ending it's still quite possible to break his bonds. Though like I said with indoctrination being fuzzy for all we know there are characters that have beat it, but if they have they may not even have realised it.

Though this is speculation. I still would prefer a dark drooly Shepard over space magic though lol.

[Tiax Rules All]

MassEffected555 wrote...

I explained it. You are ignoring facts once again

Shiala only survived because of the Thorium linking her mind to the colony. HERE- 

Shiala is the only individual who has managed to completely overcome Sovereign's indoctrination without resorting to suicide. This is likely because she was linked directly to the ancient Thorian and 'indoctrinated' by the plant being in turn. After the Thorian died her mind was her own again. 

Mass Effect 3 data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIABAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAEALAAAAAABAAEAQAICTAEAOw%3D%3DEditIf Shiala survived, commander Shepard will receive an email detailing how the colonists on Feros are fighting the Reapers. Due to the Thorian spores, colonists are given an uncanny ability to sense one another, allowing them to think and act as one in battle. The long-term consequences of this connection are unknown, but helpful for the time being.Shiala also mentions that she feels as though she is still indoctrinated, as she can feel the Reapers' influence in her mind. However, she says that this is overridden by her connections to the other colonists.

DERP

THe Rachni I ahve not seen explained.

edit
A lot of you seem to be very ignorant of the game you profess to love so much.

perfect example of writers writing. they can answer questions if they choose to. if they want shep to survive, they will right a new "exception" to the rule. only then can you decide wheter on not its good enough for you.

the writers are the masters of the lore and universe. anything that supports either side was written by them, and can be unwritten/adjusted/circumvented by them.

Modifié par Tiax Rules All, 20 mars 2012 - 11:31 .