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[Sleeping Slig]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Sleeping Slig wrote...

Tiax,
Out of curiosity how would you feel if the theory were true. I personally think I would have a problem with the message it sends... Again I am just wondering what your view would be if (a huge if) they ended up releasing sometype of DLC?

absolutely elated, it would mean that Bioware broke the 4th wall, indoctrinated thier customers in real time then finished the game properly later.

I would take some issue with having to pay, prob still would, but not cool
If free then praise the video game gods, we all get more for free. whats the problem?

If Me3 ended with "blue babies, and happily ever after" then we all would be returning our games and forgetting about it. moving on knowing there is no more left. Now we have hope for more shepard, more great stories, a better resolution.

i personly do not feel offended by being "tricked"
i would be very happy.

Thank you,

I've just been trying to wrap my head around every possible outcome that could come from this situation.

I do really like the concept of the theory but at the same time have a hard time accepting some of the things it would mean for a number of people.

[jaze89]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Sleeping Slig wrote...

Tiax,
Out of curiosity how would you feel if the theory were true. I personally think I would have a problem with the message it sends... Again I am just wondering what your view would be if (a huge if) they ended up releasing sometype of DLC?

absolutely elated, it would mean that Bioware broke the 4th wall, indoctrinated thier customers in real time then finished the game properly later.

I would take some issue with having to pay, prob still would, but not cool
If free then praise the video game gods, we all get more for free. whats the problem?

If Me3 ended with "blue babies, and happily ever after" then we all would be returning our games and forgetting about it. moving on knowing there is no more left. Now we have hope for more shepard, more great stories, a better resolution.

i personly do not feel offended by being "tricked"
i would be very happy.

I have the same thoughts. I think it would have been awful if the signs of indoctrination were way too obvious. If Indoc Theory is true I'd say it has worked quite effectively. That is to say if the DLC is free or if the content is on some time-delayed release (no idea if this is possible).

I'm starting to think it's not true though just because of the business they are risking and how much money they have to lose or already have lost. That to me, is the most glaring hole in the theory.

[Jaze55]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

I explained it. You are ignoring facts once again

Shiala only survived because of the Thorium linking her mind to the colony. HERE- 

Shiala is the only individual who has managed to completely overcome Sovereign's indoctrination without resorting to suicide. This is likely because she was linked directly to the ancient Thorian and 'indoctrinated' by the plant being in turn. After the Thorian died her mind was her own again. 

Mass Effect 3 data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIABAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAEALAAAAAABAAEAQAICTAEAOw%3D%3DEditIf Shiala survived, commander Shepard will receive an email detailing how the colonists on Feros are fighting the Reapers. Due to the Thorian spores, colonists are given an uncanny ability to sense one another, allowing them to think and act as one in battle. The long-term consequences of this connection are unknown, but helpful for the time being.Shiala also mentions that she feels as though she is still indoctrinated, as she can feel the Reapers' influence in her mind. However, she says that this is overridden by her connections to the other colonists.

DERP

THe Rachni I ahve not seen explained.

edit
A lot of you seem to be very ignorant of the game you profess to love so much.

perfect example of writers writing. they can answer questions if they choose to. if they want shep to survive, they will right a new "exception" to the rule. only then can you decide wheter on not its good enough for you.

the writers are the masters of the lore and universe. anything that supports either side was written by the, and can be unwritten/adjusted/circumvented by them.

If they want Shep to save the galaxy with space magic they can do that too then.

You are unbelievably niave

Modifié par MassEffected555, 20 mars 2012 - 11:31 .

[Sleeping Slig]

jaze89,

Thanks for responding! While I don't think Indoc theory is the case, I would be okay with it I think. I would also be ok if they changed the original ending in a more general way.

The only problem I have with Indoc (or changing the end in general) is what you mentioned, the DLC or content, would have to be available to people who bought the game but do not have online access.

This brings up a whole set of other issues though

Again thanks for replying!

Modifié par Sleeping Slig, 20 mars 2012 - 11:40 .

[Tiax Rules All]

MassEffected555 wrote...

perfect example of writers writing. they can answer questions if they choose to. if they want shep to survive, they will right a new "exception" to the rule. only then can you decide wheter on not its good enough for you.

the writers are the masters of the lore and universe. anything that supports either side was written by the, and can be unwritten/adjusted/circumvented by them.

If they want Shep to save the galaxy with space magic they can do that too then.

You are unbelievably niave

 but this is the thing you are reallying against? Things not making sense?

are you saying space magic is prefereable to IDT? how and who would? only the most Niave wont get it. no you prob wont.

i dont even know what your point is anymore. I made a good point. and you use "space magic" are you starting to understand why people are calling you a troll now?

im not naive for believing in IDT but you are certainly trolling. your responses show that what people say here dont sink in even a bit. an ounce of open-mindedness goes a long way. and before you say I could be open-mided myslef, i will answer that. I was. I was like you, then i gathered all the evidence at hand. only after that was i able to decide for myself that IDT not only made more sense but allowed for a more enjoyable ending for me.

I originally came to the forums to see if others could be shown the light so to speak and end up enjoying THIER endings more also.

you seem to want to keep everybody in the hate. why perpetuate it if you dont have to.

Modifié par Tiax Rules All, 20 mars 2012 - 11:42 .

[Jaze55]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

perfect example of writers writing. they can answer questions if they choose to. if they want shep to survive, they will right a new "exception" to the rule. only then can you decide wheter on not its good enough for you.

the writers are the masters of the lore and universe. anything that supports either side was written by the, and can be unwritten/adjusted/circumvented by them.

If they want Shep to save the galaxy with space magic they can do that too then.

You are unbelievably niave

 but this is the thing you are reallying against? Things not making sense?

are you saying space magic is prefereable to IDT? how and who would? only the most Niave get it. no you prb wont.

i dont even know what your point is anymore. I made a good point. and you use "space magic" are you starting to understand why people are calling you a troll now?

im not naive for believing in IDT but you are certainly trolling. your responses show that what people say here dont sink in even a bit. an ounce of open-mindedness goes a long way. and before you say I could be open-mided myslef, i will answer that. I was. I was like you, then i gathered all the evidence at hand. only after that was i able to decide for myself that IDT not only made more sense but allowed for a more enjoyable ending for me.

I originally came to the forums to see if others could be shown the light so to speak and end up enjoying THIER endings more also.

you seem to want to keep everybody in the hate. why perpetuate it if you dont have to.

Bro really just shut the hell up. 

You came to the forums to start a cult and you did exactly that. You won't shut up about PROVING the theory, make a ton of posts.

Just shut up already. An ounce of open mindedness. YOU have some

You jump in my thread calling me STUPID for not believe in the theory.

Don't make me laugh. I had to report you 9 times, which I did NINE TIMES, because you kept attacking me and calling me childish insults. Seriously I think you should go lay down and take a nap.

[TheGreenAlloy]

Genera1Nemesis wrote...

P47 ace wrote...

Shepherd only "wakes" up if you choose the destroy option and have, I think, over 4000 EMS

He breaks indoc because the reapers could not convence him to choose control or synthasis.
He fights it off.
Indoc is not always control, A big part of it is inflencing direction

So then because I chose control or synthesis my game is just over and don't get the additional content? I would be more pissed about that then anything else...

You get a long cutscene which visualizes your failure.

Enjoy.

[ArkkAngel007]

MassEffected555 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

The OP doesn't care. All it is the OP flame-baiting certain members and jumping on anything negative directed at him.

I was thinking of attaching that write-up that I posted twice already, which is only an abstract (can't really do more than that) that requires maybe 2 minutes if that to go over, yet ignores it. And even if it's read (15-16 minutes ago from this edit), it plays into exactly what the OP wants to do, which is to disprove how IT won't work in expanding the game.

Could be proven wrong on the intentions, but what the OP is saying the intentions are and what is being demonstrated at this point are very different.

Maybe if you, and 2 other people leave the thread, it can go back into being a useful discussion that it has been for the past 10 pages. Just a thought. 

I was more than civil towards you.  I mean provided what you wanted, which you ignored for some reason...

Yet all you did was insult others and make snide insinuations.  I don't understand the need for that.

[Tiax Rules All]

MassEffected555 wrote...

[Bro really just shut the hell up. 

You came to the forums to start a cult and you did exactly that. You won't shut up about PROVING the theory, make a ton of posts.

Just shut up already. An ounce of open mindedness. YOU have some

You jump in my thread calling me STUPID for not believe in the theory.

Don't make me laugh. I had to report you 9 times, which I did NINE TIMES, because you kept attacking me and calling me childish insults. Seriously I think you should go lay down and take a nap.

you ASKED me to prove myslef..

and people are supposed to respect you and this thread. Doesn't matter how many times you report me. im still here because i dont deseved to be banned.
"bro" i think you SHOULD go lay down.

Modifié par Tiax Rules All, 20 mars 2012 - 11:55 .

[Jaze55]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

The OP doesn't care. All it is the OP flame-baiting certain members and jumping on anything negative directed at him.

I was thinking of attaching that write-up that I posted twice already, which is only an abstract (can't really do more than that) that requires maybe 2 minutes if that to go over, yet ignores it. And even if it's read (15-16 minutes ago from this edit), it plays into exactly what the OP wants to do, which is to disprove how IT won't work in expanding the game.

Could be proven wrong on the intentions, but what the OP is saying the intentions are and what is being demonstrated at this point are very different.

Maybe if you, and 2 other people leave the thread, it can go back into being a useful discussion that it has been for the past 10 pages. Just a thought. 

I was more than civil towards you.  I mean provided what you wanted, which you ignored for some reason...

Yet all you did was insult others and make snide insinuations.  I don't understand the need for that.

You arent one of the people  I was talking about. ANd no I didn't insult anyone except for the insane cult leader kid.

But fact is you all lied. You said Indoctrination IN THE BOOKS was broken. You were either mis informed or flat out lying. Either way the Theory is trash and I have had it proven to me beyond a doubt. You cant break indoc, and once you are affected you are done for. Period. 

Believe what you want though, whatever makes you feel better. 

[Tiax Rules All]

MassEffected555 wrote...

You arent one of the people  I was talking about. ANd no I didn't insult anyone except for the insane cult leader kid.

But fact is you all lied. You said Indoctrination IN THE BOOKS was broken. You were either mis informed or flat out lying. Either way the Theory is trash and I have had it proven to me beyond a doubt. You cant break indoc, and once you are affected you are done for. Period. 

Believe what you want though, whatever makes you feel better. 

you are now the most foolish poster on the BSN. Report me a 10th time. I'm really out this time. I should have let this tread die a long time ago. good luck with getting through life with so much bias.

[Mikeuicus]

People saying "time has passed, Bioware is never going to fix it" are being silly. The game isn't even out three weeks yet--they're not going to announce DLC or an expansion, especially one that addresses a story-line problem, when they're still trying to get people to buy the game proper. Give it time people, hold the line, etc.

[Artaire]

Guys chill out, everyone is entitled to their own opinions and reactions whether they are niave stubborn or whatever just keep it civil, ignore and move on. Not everyone is gonna be on the same page, same wavelength whatever you wanna say.

As for the thread I just think the game will run along similar to as was initially thought (from our perspective) with perhaps another twist or two just as bioware tends to do. As for the actual indoc theory I think its true just because it has so much evidence supporting it that when pieced together it ACTUALLY MAKES SENSE! (In my opinion)

Shepard is battling indoctrination after harbinger zaps you. If he wanted to kill you im sure he would have, your now at your weakest you've ever been so it makes sense that now is the time to try and take control. So you chose the right choice you break out of it and you wake up back on earth under rubble. You didn't hitchike a ride on some citadel junk/ keeper like chucknorris or something (which exploded) and just happened to land save and sound. Then your going to wake up, your crew members are gonna find you and your gonna carry on your mad quest after probably having a lie down lol

As for the inability to break free from indoctrination, no-one ever has...doesn't mean no-one ever will, after all Shepard has done the impossible twice already...

Modifié par Artaire, 21 mars 2012 - 01:18 .

[Cpt_Hook]

I would suggest destroy leads to Shep resisting, getting patched up and doing nasty stuff with the reapers. Synthesis would lead to Shep going DARK SIDE and doing nasty stuff with the Alliance
and Control would be an instant win for the Reapers with a nice outro.

I personally think all that happens before the Easter Egg Video is still Indoctrination.
So Shep imagines his crew getting to a paradise to set his mind at ease. That would also explain why Squad Members are there which were with him in the end.

The Stargazer scene yelled “There will be another story”
I think this is one of the strongest hints for IT even though it is mostly ignored.