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[Blips]

Unless I'm reading dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Rogue incorrectly, it looks like Coup De Grace simply allows your rogue to backstab a stunned opponant from any direction. I don't see this being worth a talent point considering how easily it should be to position your rogue behind a stunned enemy.

Thoughts ?

[Shannara13]

I think you might be confused about how backstab works. I don't believe you automatically get a backstab every time you attack from the back normally.

[Madlax27]

Actually flank = backstab for rogues according to the manual.

However
you must realize as well that flank requires you have someone else
attacking the enemy, thus you have to focus two characters on one
enemy.  Otherwise the enemy will just turn and follow your rogue around.

If
you flank an enemy with your rogue while the enemy is distracted with
another character you are also leaving your rogue open to be flanked by
an enemy on the other side.

Finally, there is the obvious combo,
a rogue stunning/coup de grace an enemy by himself. If a stun duration
is short, the rogue will likely not be able to position himself behind
the enemy because he wont have enough time. But if a rogue runs up to
an enemy stealthed, for instance, stuns the enemy, and then can use
backstab right away that is a pretty good combo.

Modifié par Madlax27, 03 novembre 2009 - 03:25 .

[Khire]

"inflicting automatic backstabs against stunned or paralyzed targets."

Sound pretty useful to me. I can't decide what i want more though...

Coup de grace or Momentum

[Khire]

"inflicting automatic backstabs against stunned or paralyzed targets."

Sound pretty useful to me. I can't decide what i want more though...

Coup de grace or Momentum

[Khire]

"inflicting automatic backstabs against stunned or paralyzed targets."

Sound pretty useful to me. I can't decide what i want more though...

Coup de grace or Momentum

[Khire]

"inflicting automatic backstabs against stunned or paralyzed targets."

Sound pretty useful to me. I can't decide what i want more though...

Coup de grace or Momentum

[Blips]

I've heard of double post before... but you (Khire) just took the cake



I was assuming that a stunned character would remain so for at least a few seconds. I think I'll have to experiment once I get my hands on the game to see if its something I want to acquire for my rogue.

[Sierraniner]

I don't think I get the basic Concept of Backstabbing from any direction.........maybe I'm missing something but part of that tells me there is something wrong with that description.....

[Madlax27]

Oh also the stun + run around the enemy + backstab is only possible if you are micromanaging the rogue.



If he is a character you are choosing not to micromanage and instead program with the Tactics menu, then it is far easier to give him Coup de Grace and have him just Stun before he initiates an attack so he always backstabs.



That is unless they made such an in depth tactics system you can program him to run around the enemy as soon as he stuns him before the attack o O

[Varenus Luckmann]

Blips about double-posting, I saw a 16-post the other day when the forum was extremely laggy. There's no flood control on the forums, so as soon as there's a slowdown, you're sure to see multiple posts.

About Coup de Grace, I think it sounds -extremely- useful, considering the extra amount of damage you'll be doing much easier. Imagine a Rogue duo going at it.

[Discobird]

To the OP: I was thinking the same thing, but the stuns I've seen in videos so far seem pretty short-- like 2-3 seconds.  (I'm thinking specifically of Dirty Fighting and Mind Blast.)  So Coup de Grace will probably give you some extra backstabs you wouldn't have time to make otherwise.  It might be less useful if we get access to longer stuns later on though.

Shannara13 wrote...

I think you might be confused about how backstab works. I don't believe you automatically get a backstab every time you attack from the back normally.

Actually you do get an automatic backstab whenever you attack normally from behind, according to both the manual and the code on the Builder Wiki: http://social.bioware.com/wiki/datoolset/index.php/Combat_h.nss#Combat_CheckBackstab

[Jinnth]

Well it depends if there is collision or not, I guess there will be collision as there was in baldur's gate but I haven't read enough to be 100% sure.



Keep in mind that the time you take to run behind the enemy is time you aren't attacking, and with only criticals, those 2 seconds you took to run around the opponent mean quite a lot of wasted damage.



If there is no colision then of course walking right trough the opponent and doing a 180 degree is not very long.

[gizzt]

Semi related question:



How does coup de grace work with dual striking?



Thanks

[Jinnth]

gizzt wrote...

Semi related question:

How does coup de grace work with dual striking?

Thanks

What do you mean, are they supposed to interact in any way ? The way I see it, " the character cannot inflict regular critical hits or backstabs.
" seems pretty clear. Coup de grace only effect as far as I know is remove the position requirement for backstabs.

[Unwise_One]

Came for the combat discussion, stayed for the quadruple post Bravo.



I suspect that my melee rogue will often be used to grab the loose badies that have left the warrior. As such I think this ability sounds quiet interesting. A quick stun before they can reach the mage, and a backstab despite nobody else being nearby, sounds good to me.

[Blips]

Discobird wrote...
To the OP: I was thinking the same thing, but the stuns I've seen in videos so far seem pretty short-- like 2-3 seconds.

In that case I guess I'll have to get Coup De Grace then just so I can get in as many backstabs as I can before the stun wears off.

[gizzt]

Jinnth wrote...

gizzt wrote...

Semi related question:

How does coup de grace work with dual striking?

Thanks

What do you mean, are they supposed to interact in any way ? The way I see it, " the character cannot inflict regular critical hits or backstabs.
" seems pretty clear. Coup de grace only effect as far as I know is remove the position requirement for backstabs.

Im predicting automatic critical strikes from skills while dual striking is active will still critical as it is not regular.
Im wondering if a coup de grace generated backstab would still count as "regular"?

Thanks

[Kiddeth]

this is sounding a lot like D20 please for the love of all that holy tell me it's not D20

[Dom Queron]

http://dragonage.gul...ng_and_backstab

[Madlax27]

It is not D20, it is Bioware's own custom gaming system.



However, the influences from D20 style combat are still there.

[Kiddeth]

that just sucks, well good thing i found out now. thanks.

[Eddie Fynn]

I should point out that according to people analyzing the scripts coup de grace works on crit/backstab immune enemies.

[Eddie Fynn]

Does quick reply not work to post things. I posted a couple minutes ago and it's not here. Now we'll see if this shows up.

[Madlax27]

In before Eddie quadruple posts.