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[Viyu]

Disclaimer: PLEASE educate the people on Yahoo, as it is a huge media outlet.
Emphasize that we were lied to about DLC content and false advertising
campaign conerning multiple endings *points to sig*




Source to the article: Here.

In the Article it says:

Bioware's Mass Effect 3 has earned plenty of praise from gaming critics,
but a small, vocal percentage of players aren't thrilled with the game's
ending, to put it mildly.

So essentially, the subtle implication is that we are a "vocal minority", and that because a few individuals complained to the FTC and BBB means we are a bunch of overzealous and angry nerds. Keep in mind the person who wrote this article is Chris Morris, an editor for Gamesutra. I'm not sure if it means anything, but Gamesutra has been advertising jobs for Bioware, and EA Dice as you can see here

For more on Chris Morris, please look here


But let's look at the IMPORTANT parts of this article. The stuff that needs to be addressed.

EDIT: I don't think this is being emphasized enough so I will say it more bluntly. Regardless...REGARDLESS if we are the vocal minority or not, where is this guy's proof of such? Why is he acting like he's such an authority on the matter?

And now they're bringing their issues to the Feds.

First of all, this article is misleading. El_Spiko is not trying to delare legal action against Bioware. Bioware is not BBB accredited. El_Spiko's intentions continue to get glossed over by media outlets, and I think it needs to be emphasized his intentions on the matter. El_Spiko made a disclaimer in his OP saying:

DISCLAIMER: Before you start debating how dumb I am, let me be clear.
THIS IS NOT A LAWSUIT. THIS IS NOT SERIOUS LEGAL ACTION. This is a
complaint about EA/Bioware's advertising, filed with the the
organizations that handle false advertising in the U.S. As EA is the
publisher, they were the appropriate people to complain about. If you
don't think that exercising one of the few, civil, legal ways available
to hold a company accountable is stupid or immature, that's fine. If
somehow (space magic?) they actually decided to do something other than
send EA an email about it, there would be a miniscule fine, that's it.
There is no way that this could "tear bioware apart" or anything of the
sort. If you still think I need to be called stupid or immature, then
post away.

He doesn't think this will "tear Bioware apart" and it was not his intention, just like people who are signing petitions and donating to charities, aren't trying to "tear down Bioware", either. While El_spiko's endeavors will probably give Bioware negative press, we need to understand he is not going to "destroy" Bioware and at most this is uninformed sensationalism to discredit the movement. Please you guys, I'd encourage you to emphasize this.

Modifié par Viyu, 20 mars 2012 - 08:40 .

[bennyjammin79]

Good. Carpet bombing would be preferred.

Modifié par bennyjammin79, 20 mars 2012 - 07:39 .

[Texansamurai]

Vocal Minority? Yea right... I bet this guy hasn't even played ME 3

Modifié par Texansamurai, 20 mars 2012 - 07:36 .

[Lycius]

Viyu wrote...

Source: Here.

In the Article it says:

Bioware's Mass Effect 3 has earned plenty of praise from gaming critics,
but a small, vocal percentage of players aren't thrilled with the game's
ending, to put it mildly.

So essentially, the subtle implication is that we are a "vocal minority", and that because a few individuals complained to the FTC and BBB means we are a bunch of overzealous and angry nerds. Keep in mind the person who wrote this article is Chris Morris, an
editor for Gamesutra. I'm not sure if it means anything, but Gamesutra has been advertising jobs for
Bioware, and EA Dice as you can see here

For more on Chris Morris, please look here


But let's look at the IMPORTANT parts of this article. The stuff that needs to be addressed.

And now they're bringing their issues to the Feds.

First of all, this article is misleading. El_Spiko is not trying to delare legal action against Bioware. Bioware is not BBB accredited. El_Spiko's intentions continue to get glossed over by media outlets, and I think it needs to be emphasized his intentions on the matter. El_Spiko made a disclaimer in his OP saying:

DISCLAIMER: Before you start debating how dumb I am, let me be clear.
THIS IS NOT A LAWSUIT. THIS IS NOT SERIOUS LEGAL ACTION. This is a
complaint about EA/Bioware's advertising, filed with the the
organizations that handle false advertising in the U.S. As EA is the
publisher, they were the appropriate people to complain about. If you
don't think that exercising one of the few, civil, legal ways available
to hold a company accountable is stupid or immature, that's fine. If
somehow (space magic?) they actually decided to do something other than
send EA an email about it, there would be a miniscule fine, that's it.
There is no way that this could "tear bioware apart" or anything of the
sort. If you still think I need to be called stupid or immature, then
post away.

He doesn't think this will "tear Bioware apart" and it was not his intention to do so. But likewise, people are signing petitions and donating to charities, and this is not an intention to "tear them down", also. While El_spiko's endeavors will probably give Bioware negative press, we need to understand this is not going to "destroy" Bioware. Please you guys, I'd encourage you to emphasize this.

That's because EA pays them in perks to support them. It's become fairly obvious with the mass of reviews praising the game because the critics didn't bother to finish or point out any mistakes, and there were numerous mistakes, endings aside.

Pretty much any reviewer that gives anything a perfect score is a poor critic.

[MikoDoll]

You would think more people on yahoo commenting would be questioning this guys ability to be impartial on the matter by now. I guess a lot of people don't know who he is. Someone should copypaste the OP to his article.

[Faust1979]

I have to say I agree with this article we don't go around crying and forcing movie studios to try and fix their movies when they make a bad one. Where were these people when hollywood pumps out something like the Tim Burton Planet of the Apes or the awful Green Lantern? No they are just riled up over a games ending because one game they didn't like and now suddenly Bioware is evil it's stupid

[Fooxie]

a bunch of overzealous and angry nerds

Well, tbh, that is the impression I'm getting as well.

[Faust1979]

Lycius wrote...

Viyu wrote...

Source: Here.

In the Article it says:

Bioware's Mass Effect 3 has earned plenty of praise from gaming critics,
but a small, vocal percentage of players aren't thrilled with the game's
ending, to put it mildly.

So essentially, the subtle implication is that we are a "vocal minority", and that because a few individuals complained to the FTC and BBB means we are a bunch of overzealous and angry nerds. Keep in mind the person who wrote this article is Chris Morris, an
editor for Gamesutra. I'm not sure if it means anything, but Gamesutra has been advertising jobs for
Bioware, and EA Dice as you can see here

For more on Chris Morris, please look here


But let's look at the IMPORTANT parts of this article. The stuff that needs to be addressed.

And now they're bringing their issues to the Feds.

First of all, this article is misleading. El_Spiko is not trying to delare legal action against Bioware. Bioware is not BBB accredited. El_Spiko's intentions continue to get glossed over by media outlets, and I think it needs to be emphasized his intentions on the matter. El_Spiko made a disclaimer in his OP saying:

DISCLAIMER: Before you start debating how dumb I am, let me be clear.
THIS IS NOT A LAWSUIT. THIS IS NOT SERIOUS LEGAL ACTION. This is a
complaint about EA/Bioware's advertising, filed with the the
organizations that handle false advertising in the U.S. As EA is the
publisher, they were the appropriate people to complain about. If you
don't think that exercising one of the few, civil, legal ways available
to hold a company accountable is stupid or immature, that's fine. If
somehow (space magic?) they actually decided to do something other than
send EA an email about it, there would be a miniscule fine, that's it.
There is no way that this could "tear bioware apart" or anything of the
sort. If you still think I need to be called stupid or immature, then
post away.

He doesn't think this will "tear Bioware apart" and it was not his intention to do so. But likewise, people are signing petitions and donating to charities, and this is not an intention to "tear them down", also. While El_spiko's endeavors will probably give Bioware negative press, we need to understand this is not going to "destroy" Bioware. Please you guys, I'd encourage you to emphasize this.

That's because EA pays them in perks to support them. It's become fairly obvious with the mass of reviews praising the game because the critics didn't bother to finish or point out any mistakes, and there were numerous mistakes, endings aside.

Pretty much any reviewer that gives anything a perfect score is a poor critic.

or they just have their own opinions which the retake movement is afraid of, people that actually like the game 

[Viyu]

Faust1979 wrote...

I have to say I agree with this article we don't go around crying and forcing movie studios to try and fix their movies when they make a bad one. Where were these people when hollywood pumps out something like the Tim Burton Planet of the Apes or the awful Green Lantern? No they are just riled up over a games ending because one game they didn't like and now suddenly Bioware is evil it's stupid

No its because Bioware promised something they didn't deliver, and blatantly lied when confronted. Were there multiple and distinct endings as promised? No. Do YOU get swindled out of 60 to 100 dollars when a movie is bad? No. I think that if you don't get "riled up" about something, you are willing to fall for anything....reapeatedly, because it tells developers this sort of treatment is okay. We didn't take a stand in DA2. The plotholes, the lack of player choice is all symptoms we are seeing in this game.

Modifié par Viyu, 20 mars 2012 - 07:45 .

[ncknck]

Viyu wrote...

So essentially, the subtle implication is that we are a "vocal minority", and that because a few individuals complained to the FTC and BBB means we are a bunch of overzealous and angry nerds. 

Seems like a pretty accurate description. Deeds speak for themselves.

[Faust1979]

Viyu wrote...

Faust1979 wrote...

I have to say I agree with this article we don't go around crying and forcing movie studios to try and fix their movies when they make a bad one. Where were these people when hollywood pumps out something like the Tim Burton Planet of the Apes or the awful Green Lantern? No they are just riled up over a games ending because one game they didn't like and now suddenly Bioware is evil it's stupid

No its because Bioware promised something they didn't deliver. Were there multiple and distinct endings as promised? No. Do YOU get swindled out of 60 to 100 dollars when a movie is bad? No.

depending on the movie yeah especially if you go see a 3d movie they can be pricey and taking all your kids to see a movie those ticket prices can add up

[Texansamurai]

Viyu wrote...

Faust1979 wrote...

I have to say I agree with this article we don't go around crying and forcing movie studios to try and fix their movies when they make a bad one. Where were these people when hollywood pumps out something like the Tim Burton Planet of the Apes or the awful Green Lantern? No they are just riled up over a games ending because one game they didn't like and now suddenly Bioware is evil it's stupid

No its because Bioware promised something they didn't deliver, and blatantly lied when confronted. Were there multiple and distinct endings as promised? No. Do YOU get swindled out of 60 to 100 dollars when a movie is bad? No. I think that if you don't get "riled up" about something, you are willing to fall for anything....reapeatedly, because it tells developers this sort of treatment is okay. We didn't take a stand in DA2. The plotholes, the lack of player choice is all symptoms we are seeing in this game.

Not to mention the added DLC wasted, and 120+ hours over the span of 3 games wasted. A movie only wastes 3 hours of your time

[Han Shot First]

It is sort of accurate to call those who are active in trying to get the endings changed a vocal minority, since it isn't an activity most of the people who played the game are engaged in. But it is also misleading to call them a vocal minority, when they represent a viewpoint held by the  majority of people who purchased Mass Effect 3. The endings are hated by an overwhelming majority of people who played Mass Effect 3, but only a small percentage of those is active in Retake Mass Effect.

Put it this way: If politicians raise taxes in a city of 2 million, and 5,000 people hold a protest in response, it wouldn't be exactly fair to call them a vocal minority, if the majority of voters in that city are also unhappy about their taxes being raised.

[Mr. C]

Fooxie wrote...

a bunch of overzealous and angry nerds

Well, tbh, that is the impression I'm getting as well.

Unfortunately, as am I.  I didn't care for the endings, but this whole fiasco is getting a bit out of hand.

[Lycius]

Faust1979 wrote...

or they just have their own opinions which the retake movement is afraid of, people that actually like the game 

Yeah, that totally makes more sense than the major game sites catering their articles to the publishers since their businesses rely on pre-release copies and perks from publishers to have an edge on the other 92 billions review sites.

[Faust1979]

Texansamurai wrote...

Viyu wrote...

Faust1979 wrote...

I have to say I agree with this article we don't go around crying and forcing movie studios to try and fix their movies when they make a bad one. Where were these people when hollywood pumps out something like the Tim Burton Planet of the Apes or the awful Green Lantern? No they are just riled up over a games ending because one game they didn't like and now suddenly Bioware is evil it's stupid

No its because Bioware promised something they didn't deliver, and blatantly lied when confronted. Were there multiple and distinct endings as promised? No. Do YOU get swindled out of 60 to 100 dollars when a movie is bad? No. I think that if you don't get "riled up" about something, you are willing to fall for anything....reapeatedly, because it tells developers this sort of treatment is okay. We didn't take a stand in DA2. The plotholes, the lack of player choice is all symptoms we are seeing in this game.

Not to mention the added DLC wasted, and 120+ hours over the span of 3 games wasted. A movie only wastes 3 hours of your time

whose fault is that for buying DLC?

[lumen11]

You guys do realise you ARE a vocal minority right? Large enough a minority to give pause, but still a minority.

[BiancoAngelo7]

I didn't realize they changed the words "vocal minority" to mean "absolutely everybody minus a few hundred people"...

[Elk Cloner]

Faust1979 wrote...

I have to say I agree with this article we don't go around crying and forcing movie studios to try and fix their movies when they make a bad one.

Movie studios don't advertise their movies as products shapeable by consumers. BioWare did.

But, you're mistaken even with movies. It happened before and forced studio, albeit not make new ending, but to fix outcome of the story.

[Viyu]

Faust1979 wrote...

Viyu wrote...

Faust1979 wrote...

I have to say I agree with this article we don't go around crying and forcing movie studios to try and fix their movies when they make a bad one. Where were these people when hollywood pumps out something like the Tim Burton Planet of the Apes or the awful Green Lantern? No they are just riled up over a games ending because one game they didn't like and now suddenly Bioware is evil it's stupid

No its because Bioware promised something they didn't deliver. Were there multiple and distinct endings as promised? No. Do YOU get swindled out of 60 to 100 dollars when a movie is bad? No.

depending on the movie yeah especially if you go see a 3d movie they can be pricey and taking all your kids to see a movie those ticket prices can add up

I'm talking about on an individual scale. Generally speaking, no. you don't pay that kind of money per person. Second of all, I also wanted to edit my post above, but granted I guess you didn't see it in time, which I guess is okay. XD

What I also wanted to say on the subject is that DA2 had the same problems we're seeing right now, and although people were angry and upset about it, the backlash quickly died down and Bioware continued making the same mistakes. If people do not speak up about it, and they don't speak out about it in a manner that Bioware simply can't dismiss and ignore, then the same problems are just going to keep happening. Do I think some of these tactics are over the top? Of course I do. Do I think that Bioware would listen to us if we didn't act up to this extent? Well, DA2 didn't get nearly as much bad press as this game. Fans did not produce THIS amount of shock value stunts, and as you can see, the cycle continued to what we have with ME3, the lack of player choice being the most notable problem.

Modifié par Viyu, 20 mars 2012 - 07:50 .

[Terminus Echoes]

They're the same people who said that "If you're not a fan, now's the time to start," so I really take their words to a grain of sand. A very small grain of sand.

[Han Shot First]

The PLC wrote...

You are a vocal minority..

That represents the majority.

You guys do realise you ARE a vocal minority right? Large enough a minority to give pause, but still a minority.

...a vocal minority that represents a viewpoint held by the majority: that Mass Effect 3's endings sucked.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 20 mars 2012 - 07:49 .

[Wise Men]

Nice article and totally accurate.

[Mirajin]

The PLC wrote...

You are a vocal minority..

QFT

Makes me wonder....if ME3s ending 100% amazing and everything we hoped for, what would the 'vocal minority' be b*tching about instead?