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[Torrible]

FemmeShep wrote...

Plus I would like to point out, even if it was just the core fan-base that were upset. Even if you wanted to make that argument. We are a very important demographic to them, as we are the most loyal and tend to purchase everything. We also tend to follow the company to new IP's.

So from a business perspective you don't want to ****** off your core fan-base.

Yeah but these loyal fans are more prone to frustration. It's like having a psychotic girlfriend. Sure, she is sexy and beautiful but she is needy and if you ****** her off, she stabs you while you are sleeping. The relationship between developers and fans of other games is much more stable.

Modifié par Torrible, 21 mars 2012 - 12:59 .

[Salis777]

None of my friends are happy with it, but don't post on the forums. They are definitely very wary of Bioware at this point, and I don't think they expect a fix - they're just 'done with BW' to quote one.

I actually think this movement is fairly positive, it allows BW to see a major issue and if they correct it they could redeem themselves in the eyes of the silent majority who hate the endings but who just walked away.

[kbct]

FemmeShep wrote...

Plus I would like to point out, even if it was just the core fan-base that were upset. Even if you wanted to make that argument. We are a very important demographic to them, as we are the most loyal and tend to purchase everything. We also tend to follow the company to new IP's.

So from a business perspective you don't want to ****** off your core fan-base.

True. The most passionate fans go out of their way to spread the word. How many people have you recommended trying the Mass Effect series - before finishing ME3?

BSN should tend to like BioWare products. That is why we are here. The poll should not have only 2% like the ending as-is. There should be plenty of BSN members that liked it. There aren't.

[Getorex]

My main reason for having been here in the past was simply to track developments on DLC in the past. Now, though I no longer own a copy of ME3 I am tracking to see what they do so I can determine whether or not I will re-purchase the game and give them another shot. Up to them at this point.

[GME_ThorianCreeper]

I just came to this relization.

The "movement" does not know for sure if they are a majority or a minority, so we should cut all this crap about minorities and majorities because frankly, we don't know which side is which.

So members of the "movement" stop calling yourselves a majority and people who oppose it stop calling them a minority.

(I am guilty of calling the "movement" a minority which was a mistake so don't call me out on it)

[MegaSovereign]

Han Shot First wrote...

The PLC wrote...

You are a vocal minority..

That represents the majority.

You guys do realise you ARE a vocal minority right? Large enough a minority to give pause, but still a minority.

...a vocal minority that represents a viewpoint held by the majority: that Mass Effect 3's endings sucked.

Speak for yourself. Not everyone thinks the endings sucked. I doubt anyone would think they're absolutely perfect, but a lot of my friends aren't mad about it to the point where they are signing petitions and justifying FTC complaints..

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 21 mars 2012 - 01:15 .

[kbct]

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

I did not realize people review bombing on amazon giving an overall great game a 1 or 2 rating because of literally the last five minutes and not the other 30 hours of awsome game counted as actual reviewers.

If anything the game gets a 4/5 because of it.  Thats why there are professional reviewers.

How would you rate ME3 if it made you NOT want to replay ME1, ME2, or ME3?

What's the difference between a review bomb and a bad review?

ME1 and ME2 each received 4.5 out of 5 stars. Fair right? Good user reviews? But because ME3 got 2 out of 5 stars they are bad user reviews?

[kbct]

MegaSovereign wrote...

... but a lot of my friends aren't mad about it to the point where they are signing petitions and justifying FTC complaints..

Did they like the ending?

[Torrible]

kbct wrote...

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

I did not realize people review bombing on amazon giving an overall great game a 1 or 2 rating because of literally the last five minutes and not the other 30 hours of awsome game counted as actual reviewers.

If anything the game gets a 4/5 because of it.  Thats why there are professional reviewers.

How would you rate ME3 if it made you NOT want to replay ME1, ME2, or ME3?

What's the difference between a review bomb and a bad review?

ME1 and ME2 each received 4.5 out of 5 stars. Fair right? Good user reviews? But because ME3 got 2 out of 5 stars they are bad user reviews?

Can say the same for you. Professional reviewers and youtube reviewers are unreliable because they disagree with you or didn't spend half a page complaining about the ending? Yet amazon reviews that mostly consist of one paragraph complaining about the ending are reliable? Also, how do you explain AngryJoe and JeremyJahns giving the game high praise despite lambasting the endings?

[phouria]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

robertm2 wrote...

50,000 out of 3.5 million is a massive minority. people just want to think that everyone is like them so they feel less stupid. please, please, bioware dont bend to the will of people who would seek to alter the art you have created. if anything add stuff as you always have but please dont start thinking the so called retake mass effect movement matters. they just want to infringe on your product because the game they have invested alot of time in(i myself have invested hundreds of hours) didnt end exactly how they wanted it to and they cant understand it is the way it is so some form of story can continue at an importable pace.

That's 50,000 that answered a poll. And 3.5 million is a shipped number, not sold.

it's 50000 who didnt like the ending and want it changed. The rest probably hated the ending but are indifferent to care.

Modifié par phouria, 21 mars 2012 - 01:15 .

[GME_ThorianCreeper]

kbct wrote...

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

I did not realize people review bombing on amazon giving an overall great game a 1 or 2 rating because of literally the last five minutes and not the other 30 hours of awsome game counted as actual reviewers.

If anything the game gets a 4/5 because of it.  Thats why there are professional reviewers.

How would you rate ME3 if it made you NOT want to replay ME1, ME2, or ME3?

What's the difference between a review bomb and a bad review?

ME1 and ME2 each received 4.5 out of 5 stars. Fair right? Good user reviews? But because ME3 got 2 out of 5 stars they are bad user reviews?

They're reviews of the ending, which you would know if you read any of them., not the entire game.  95% of the game is awsome, You can not rate a game solely because of the last bit.  Yes it ruined it for some people but that is not how a game review works.

You need to rate the game in it's entirtety.

Modifié par GME_ThorianCreeper, 21 mars 2012 - 01:18 .

[MegaSovereign]

kbct wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

... but a lot of my friends aren't mad about it to the point where they are signing petitions and justifying FTC complaints..

Did they like the ending?

They did not like seeing the Mass Effect trilogy coming to a close, but they were largely satisfied with it.

[phouria]

kbct wrote...

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

I did not realize people review bombing on amazon giving an overall great game a 1 or 2 rating because of literally the last five minutes and not the other 30 hours of awsome game counted as actual reviewers.

If anything the game gets a 4/5 because of it.  Thats why there are professional reviewers.

How would you rate ME3 if it made you NOT want to replay ME1, ME2, or ME3?

What's the difference between a review bomb and a bad review?

ME1 and ME2 each received 4.5 out of 5 stars. Fair right? Good user reviews? But because ME3 got 2 out of 5 stars they are bad user reviews?

there are great movies out there that i would not rewatch - not because its bad. i just wouldnt want to rewatch it.

Same with games. I loved GTA4, but wont be replaying it.

[Torrible]

phouria wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

robertm2 wrote...

50,000 out of 3.5 million is a massive minority. people just want to think that everyone is like them so they feel less stupid. please, please, bioware dont bend to the will of people who would seek to alter the art you have created. if anything add stuff as you always have but please dont start thinking the so called retake mass effect movement matters. they just want to infringe on your product because the game they have invested alot of time in(i myself have invested hundreds of hours) didnt end exactly how they wanted it to and they cant understand it is the way it is so some form of story can continue at an importable pace.

That's 50,000 that answered a poll. And 3.5 million is a shipped number, not sold.

it's 50000 who didnt like the ending and want it changed. The rest probably hated the ending but are indifferent to care.

You have to consider that many who voted dislike considered the possibility of getting a free ending dlc. I may have zero issues with the ending but if voting dislike may cause Bioware to panic and come up with more free content, I will. It's a small chance, but I've nothing to lose. It's only a click. 

[kbct]

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

They're reviews of the ending, which you would know if you read any of them., not the entire game.  95% of the game is awsome, You can not rate a game solely because of the last bit.  Yes it ruined it for some people but that is not how a game review works.

You need to rate the game in it's entirtety.

Almost every review comments on the ending. It's the reviewer's choice how to review the game. It depends how a person values the ending in relation to the entire experience. Obviously, a ton of people weigh the ending a great deal.

I know you're a it's-the-journey-and-not-so-much-the-destination kinda guy. I don't fault you for it and you shouldn't fault others for feeling the opposite.

After all, those people are customers too. And EA/BioWare wants their business.

[kbct]

MegaSovereign wrote...

They did not like seeing the Mass Effect trilogy coming to a close, but they were largely satisfied with it.

Sh!t, talk about you're all-time backfires!

Seriously, the majority of people that talked about people outside the forum said they didn't like the ending either. It's anecdotal evidence so I don't give it too much weight.

[Salis777]

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

kbct wrote...

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

I did not realize people review bombing on amazon giving an overall great game a 1 or 2 rating because of literally the last five minutes and not the other 30 hours of awsome game counted as actual reviewers.

If anything the game gets a 4/5 because of it.  Thats why there are professional reviewers.

How would you rate ME3 if it made you NOT want to replay ME1, ME2, or ME3?

What's the difference between a review bomb and a bad review?

ME1 and ME2 each received 4.5 out of 5 stars. Fair right? Good user reviews? But because ME3 got 2 out of 5 stars they are bad user reviews?

They're reviews of the ending, which you would know if you read any of them., not the entire game.  95% of the game is awsome, You can not rate a game solely because of the last bit.  Yes it ruined it for some people but that is not how a game review works.

You need to rate the game in it's entirtety.

From what I see on Amazon.com right now, most of them do.  As do most of the 50+ pages of reviews on the ME3 forums.  Example - game 5/5, ending 0/5.  Overall 2.5/5.  I think there are plenty of in depth breakdowns and good reviews.  Maybe you're looking at another site?

[kbct]

Torrible wrote...

 Also, how do you explain AngryJoe and JeremyJahns giving the game high praise despite lambasting the endings?

A number of users gave the game high marks despite the ending. A lot more didn't.

[XTR3M3]

Here is the biggest thing BioWare should consider...not many of us would recommend getting the game after seeing the ending. I WAS telling everyone to get it and how awesome the demo was. Now I am telling them not to and if they already own it and haven't finished to just quit right before they go into the beam after being shot by Harbinger. They will be happier.

I give the franchise a 4/5. It would have been a 5/5 if not for the ending. 5/5 if you don't play the last 10 minutes, 4/5 if you do. replayability? zero unless you don't ever want to go into the beam again.

thank goodness for Gibbed so I can have the second playthrough perks for my weapons without having to ever see those horrible endings again. I have a good imagination. If I decide to fire up Origin and play it again, it will be "done" in my mind at the beam and I will make up a lore ending for myself.

my signature says it all....

Modifié par XTR3M3, 21 mars 2012 - 01:46 .

[kbct]

XTR3M3 wrote...

Now I am telling them not to and if they already own it and haven't finished to just quit right before they go into the beam after being shot by Harbinger.

Interesting. What is the actual number of people you told in your case? Any of your friends finish it and like it?

[XTR3M3]

kbct wrote...

XTR3M3 wrote...

Now I am telling them not to and if they already own it and haven't finished to just quit right before they go into the beam after being shot by Harbinger.

Interesting. What is the actual number of people you told in your case? Any of your friends finish it and like it?

I will get back to you. One had already bought it and started it. The other has it but hasn't opened it yet. The one that started it was a tad deflated but probably will see for himself. We tend to agree on games so I don't expect an opinion different than mine. The other has stated they will hold off installing it until they see if the ending issue is resolved. They might return it or just deal with it....he is undecided right now.

The one that did finish it mirrored my own comments of "how can they get the lore that wrong and leave plot holes big enough for Harbinger to fly through?!!" He isn't one to come and complain in the forums, he just won't buy DLC now.

EDIT
I just checked my clan's forums and another has stated that they are broke right now anyway. He probably would have found a way to get it if the ending was as epic as the game. Now his focus will be elsewhere.

Modifié par XTR3M3, 21 mars 2012 - 01:55 .

[kbct]

XTR3M3 wrote...

The one that did finish it mirrored my own comments of "how can they get the lore that wrong and leave plot holes big enough for Harbinger to fly through?!!" He isn't one to come and complain in the forums, he just won't buy DLC now.

Thank you.

[jtsherrard]

I agree it would have been nice to make an ending where we simply overwrite the catalyst to call off the reapers, I was satisfied. Truely bittersweet with the ending, but ill sleep at night knowing my synthesis ending was a pleasant gift to joker and the universe as the hero of the reaper war fell.

[Wise Men]

Mr. C wrote...

Fooxie wrote...

a bunch of overzealous and angry nerds

Well, tbh, that is the impression I'm getting as well.

Unfortunately, as am I.  I didn't care for the endings, but this whole fiasco is getting a bit out of hand.

Agreed.  I heard a few people at GameStop talking and laughing about this over the weekend.  Some dudes were at the counter, paying for their copy of Mass Effect 3 and they were saying that "some nerds on the internet" are "Holding the Line" against the endings like that dude in Mass Effect 1.

[Super_Shepard]

Faust1979 wrote...

I have to say I agree with this article we don't go around crying and forcing movie studios to try and fix their movies when they make a bad one. Where were these people when hollywood pumps out something like the Tim Burton Planet of the Apes or the awful Green Lantern? No they are just riled up over a games ending because one game they didn't like and now suddenly Bioware is evil it's stupid

Sit through planet of the apes 50 times in a row and then it's the same. You can't compare the level of disappointment when you are comparing a two hour movie to something that is fifty times longer.