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[Father_Jerusalem]

Han Shot First wrote...

Sorry Father, but you are part of a minority. And in denial.

All the evidence points towards ME3's ending because nearly universally hated. If they are popular, as you contend, put forward some proof. You won't find any.

Of COURSE I'm part of a minority. I've NEVER tried to say differently. I'm part of a minority of Mass Effect 3 players that visit BSN. I'm also part of ANOTHER minority, ME3 players that visit BSN that liked the ending.

I've NEVER said differently.

YOU'RE the one trying to claim a "vast majority" of ALL ME3 owners that hate the ending. And without ONE SHRED of actual evidence to claim that. Are you a vast majority of ME3 owners that visit BSN that hate the ending? OF COURSE YOU ARE. I've never, not ever, not EVER, tried to say differently.

But to claim ALL ME3 players agree with you, except for, like, 5? That is completely arrogant and without validation.

[kbct]

Tazzmission wrote...

so than you have nothing?

im not asking for statistics im simply asking you provide a link that specificly states every gamer hates the ending
because the last i checked i liked the endings

so i guess you speak for me right? you just happen to not ask me if you can or cant?

Here is the poll:

http://social.biowar...06/polls/28989/

I can't teach you statistics so you can interpret it correctly.

Modifié par kbct, 20 mars 2012 - 08:23 .

[GME_ThorianCreeper]

kbct wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

kbct wrote...

Yeah, you have very little say in the poll because 62K people already voted in the poll. 6x larger than any other BSN poll.

You need evidence you say only a minority of the customers didn't like the ending. Because everything on the internet says customers don't like the ending.

Here's a couple words for you: predictive power. The poll predicts this mess, the news articles, and low user reviews.

im still waiting on your evidence that isnt bsn related.

whats wrong cant prove me or a few others wrong?

I can't teach you statistics in a couple posts.

Here I'll give you a little lesson, the poll is BIASED I dont give a **** if 62k people voted in it.

Only people who hate the ending are going to actively go on the internet and search for such polls, which means the majority of people voting in these polls do not like the ending.

If I liked the ending or just don't give a damn, why would I go out of my way to search the web for these polls and vote in them?

They're biased, and can not be used as legitamate evidence that the majority of all Mass Effect fans do not like the ending.

Modifié par GME_ThorianCreeper, 20 mars 2012 - 08:21 .

[kbct]

charmingcharlie wrote...

I am not just talking about BSN I am talking about EVERYWHERE that discusses games.  No matter where you go, what forum you go to or what site you visit the reception towards the endings has been overwhelmingly NEGATIVE from users.  

Ageed. No evidence matters to them. You need to ask every man, woman, and child what they thought of the ending before they will believe anything.

[Father_Jerusalem]

charmingcharlie wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote... The. Vast. Majority. Of. Players. Are. Living. Their. Lives. Without. The. Knowledge. That. BSN. Even. Exists.

Full. Stop.

I am not just talking about BSN I am talking about EVERYWHERE that discusses games.  No matter where you go, what forum you go to or what site you visit the reception towards the endings has been overwhelmingly NEGATIVE from users.  

Because. We're all. The same. Community. My GOD. 

Do you honestly think that on IGN, Halo fanboys are talking about how much they hate the ending to ME3? Or is it ME3 owners that gather together there too?

It's all one community, for crying out loud. How many people here on BSN do you think ONLY post on BSN, and never on another website? My god.

[terdferguson123]

kofelover wrote...

Faust1979 wrote...

I have to say I agree with this article we don't go around crying and forcing movie studios to try and fix their movies when they make a bad one. Where were these people when hollywood pumps out something like the Tim Burton Planet of the Apes or the awful Green Lantern? No they are just riled up over a games ending because one game they didn't like and now suddenly Bioware is evil it's stupid

Movies consume a few hours of your life for about $15 USD in my area.  A trilogy of RPG games consumes, arguably, hundreds of hours and dollars (including all DLC). 

The analogy fails miserably.

No it doesn't, it's all relative. I have come out of movies/books feeling much more than I have over Bioware games before (and this is coming from someone who loves BW games). You are just ignoring what you don't want to hear.

Modifié par terdferguson123, 20 mars 2012 - 08:22 .

[alienatedflea]

http://penny-arcade....es-are-effected
^ said it best...watch it...

Back on point,
all this complaining is stupid imo. IT will NOT result into anything but just a few gamers cry over a video game...its quite embarassing imo

[Han Shot First]

63,000 votes and 57,000 are negative. 

/thread

[o Ventus]

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

kbct wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

kbct wrote...

Yeah, you have very little say in the poll because 62K people already voted in the poll. 6x larger than any other BSN poll.

You need evidence you say only a minority of the customers didn't like the ending. Because everything on the internet says customers don't like the ending.

Here's a couple words for you: predictive power. The poll predicts this mess, the news articles, and low user reviews.

im still waiting on your evidence that isnt bsn related.

whats wrong cant prove me or a few others wrong?

I can't teach you statistics in a couple posts.

Here I'll give you a little lesson, the poll is BIASED I dont give a **** if 62k people voted in it.

Only people who hate the ending are going to actively go on the internet and search for such polls, which means the majority of people voting in these polls do not like the ending.

If I liked the ending or just don't give a damn, why would I go out of my way to search the web for these polls and vote in them?

They're biased, and can not be used as legitamate evidence that the majority of all Mass Effect fans do not like the ending.

Nice generalization.

People that like the endings never provide objective proof as to why it's good.

See? I can do it too.

[kbct]

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

kbct wrote...

I can't teach you statistics in a couple posts.

Here I'll give you a little lesson, the poll is BIASED I dont give a **** if 62k people voted in it.

Only people who hate the ending are going to actively go on the internet and search for such polls, which means the majority of people voting in these polls do not like the ending.

If I liked the ending or just don't give a damn, why would I go out of my way to search the web for these polls and vote in them?

They're biased, and can not be used as legitamate evidence that the majority of all Mass Effect fans do not like the ending.

I know it's biased. It's self-selecting. The question is HOW BIASED? It still has predictive power when 62K people vote.

Modifié par kbct, 20 mars 2012 - 08:24 .

[Viyu]

Tazzmission wrote...

MikoDoll wrote...

Why are the people who paid nearly 100 dollars for content they weren't provided overzealous. I'm sick of companies thinking that because they make games they are entitled not to deliver on stuff they continuously emphasize will be in the game. Whenever someone wants to call them out on it "Lol its just a game." Yea well they're getting a little too expensive to simply ignore when major problems like this happen.

WELCOME TO THE GAMING INDUSTRY DUDE


if you think bioware and ea are the only people who do what they do go do some reaserch on capcom seeing as theres a ton of controversy around the dlc for street fighter x tekken

all we hear is this constant complaining from the movement and yet let me ask you this


if you were bioware what would you do? would you tell ea no i wont make cuts or no i wont add mp or no i wont push the game back from holiday 2011 till march 2012?

if you think you would guess what ea would say see ya buddy because they are the ones who back you with money to make games

so dont act like you wouldnt do the same either

If I were them I at the very least wouldn't put my foot in my mouth and try to discredit the people who mined the ending, knowing full well it wouldn't be changed. I wouldn't say the endings were distint and multiple in number. I'm not even going to respond to the person who said "The endings are multiple" no I'm sorry, but *points to signature* they promised multiple AND distint endings. The problem with Bioware is that I wouldn't have said half the things they did to the fans because they would've eventually gotten exposed for it. Anyway I think we are missing the point. Someone who works for a website that is advertising EA and Bioware "conveniently" makes an article trying to blow out of proportion someone's complaint to the FTC and the BBB.

Modifié par Viyu, 20 mars 2012 - 08:25 .

[terdferguson123]

kbct wrote...

charmingcharlie wrote...

I am not just talking about BSN I am talking about EVERYWHERE that discusses games.  No matter where you go, what forum you go to or what site you visit the reception towards the endings has been overwhelmingly NEGATIVE from users.  

Ageed. No evidence matters to them. You need to ask every man, woman, and child what they thought of the ending before they will believe anything.

And we are saying that you cannot just use internet sources. I have 6 other RL friends who absolutely love the Mass Effect series, not a single one of them really complained about the ending. Our problem, is that you seem to think that the Internet voices is the end all be all of everything.
 
You and your entire community are also COMPLETLY ignoring that fact that, the only people who actively search for sites and polls and ways to complain about the ending, are the same people who downvote it. If you can't understand that this then I feel terribly sorry for you.

Modifié par terdferguson123, 20 mars 2012 - 08:26 .

[Father_Jerusalem]

MikoDoll wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

The PLC wrote...

You are a vocal minority..

That represents the majority.

You guys do realise you ARE a vocal minority right? Large enough a minority to give pause, but still a minority.

...a vocal minority that represents a viewpoint held by the majority: that Mass Effect 3's endings sucked.

Prove "the majority". Do it. Come on. Over 1.35 million copies sold. Show me 675,001 unique complaints about the endings. I'll wait right here. Come on. DO IT. I'm waiting.

How many of those 1.35 million copies were preordered, like mine? How many were purchased within the first week of release, when not too many people had gotten word on how bad the endings were? Since I was active on the BSN I had an inkling that the endings weren't being well recieved before I actually got to them, but I assumed it was fan overreaction. I had been one of Bioware's biggest defenders on this board until I actually got to those endings.

The 1.35 million copies sold is a statistic with no relevance to how well (or badly) the ending went over with fans. Most of those sales were on the strength of the previous two games and Bioware's reputation for churning out excellent RPGs.

For evidence that those who hated the ending are in the majority, you need only rely on the internet. From polls on this site, to threads discussing the ending, to metacritic and amazon reviews, to the comment section on ME3 youtube vids, the reaction to the endings has been overwhelmingly negative. There was a poll posted here about the ending that had something like 51,000 votes, which is an absolutely massive sample size, and 90% of those who voted chose the option that said they didn't like the endings. All the evidence points to the endings being hated by most of the fanbase, and anyone who tries to pretend otherwise has their head buried in the sand.

Contrast the reaction to ME3's ending with the reaction to Mass Effect 2 in the first two weeks after release. While there were some who hated the gameplay chages and the direction the story took, there was never any doubt that they were in the minority. Threads bashing ME2 were heavily outnumbered by those praising it, and the metacritic and amazon reviews were mostly positive

I don't care how many were preordered. I don't care. 675,001 unique complaints. I'm waiting. Come on. 

Your polls are meaningless. Your reviews are meaningless. The passionate will continue to review-bomb in order to try and show that their views are superior. Those that don't care won't do anything. That's the way the world works. 

675,001 unique complaints. Until you have those, you are still the "vocal minority".

My entire problem with your assesement is that because the majority is silent (and it almost always is) that means they like what's going on. You also IIRC say you as someone in the 2% have better ways of spending your time implying that maaany people who like the game are out there and outnumber the minority. They just don't care about voting. Have you not considered that people who hated the ending felt the same way and decided that because the poll clearly reflects their opinion, there's no need to vote? There are many people who don't like the ending but don't get active about it and will simply stop buying Bioware games. I for one have stopped being active in discussing Dragon Age 2 and simply will probably not buy anymore DA games after DA2.  If I buy any DA games it will be with great reluctance.

Again, don't put words in my mouth. I've never said they like what's going on. I said that the ones who are silent are the MAJORITY OF ME3 OWNERS. And that the ones who are passionate enough to voice their protests are the VOCAL MINORITY. 

These are FACTS. They cannot, with any semblance of logic, be debated. 

Does every single person who's silent love the endings? Probably not, but they're not passionate enough about it to come to the internet and scream about it. So counting them as members of "your side" just to buck up your numbers is WRONG.

[Fixers0]

The PLC wrote...

kbct wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

you opened this door up and made the alligation so if your going to start talking you better back it up before you demand others do and dont use the bsn as the ultimate ** proof** for your argument because with the way people are i cant take them serious at all.

I didn't start it:

The PLC wrote...

You are a vocal minority..

I'm still waiting for the proof that you're not.

I am actually waiting until you start to explain me what so good about the ending, as you appearantly seem so intend on having that point made. 

[Tazzmission]

kbct wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

you opened this door up and made the alligation so if your going to start talking you better back it up before you demand others do and dont use the bsn as the ultimate ** proof** for your argument because with the way people are i cant take them serious at all.

I didn't start it:

The PLC wrote...

You are a vocal minority..

you said that 90% of gamers hated the ending

you also said the father guy was wrong when he stated people do like the endings ( im proof of that)

your arguing about polls that are only active on the bsn wile you dont provide any others from other forums


your being biased because your making it sound like the bsn is the only credible source for fan feedback

[UntalkativeBunny]

kbct wrote...

Here is the poll:

http://social.biowar...06/polls/28989/

I can't teach you statistics so you can interpret it correctly.

This proves nothing. The amount of negative votes are clearly bombed votes. You don't have to be a genius to figure that out. Just look at how pissed everyone is about the ending and the extremely childish lengths they've gone to and still are going to.

[avatar2396]

To be honest i think that poll is kind of flawed. I would like an option to pick how i wanted it to end. The outcome of reapers gone would be the same obviously but how you get there, what happens to your crew, how many losses your forces take would be different.

[Han Shot First]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Sorry Father, but you are part of a minority. And in denial.

All the evidence points towards ME3's ending because nearly universally hated. If they are popular, as you contend, put forward some proof. You won't find any.

Of COURSE I'm part of a minority. I've NEVER tried to say differently. I'm part of a minority of Mass Effect 3 players that visit BSN. I'm also part of ANOTHER minority, ME3 players that visit BSN that liked the ending.

I've NEVER said differently.

YOU'RE the one trying to claim a "vast majority" of ALL ME3 owners that hate the ending. And without ONE SHRED of actual evidence to claim that. Are you a vast majority of ME3 owners that visit BSN that hate the ending? OF COURSE YOU ARE. I've never, not ever, not EVER, tried to say differently.

But to claim ALL ME3 players agree with you, except for, like, 5? That is completely arrogant and without validation.

Go to metacritic and amazon and compare ME2's reviews to ME3's. Then come back and try to argue that those who liked the ending of Mass Effect 3 were a small minority, while keeping a straight face.

[Viyu]

Again *points my above post* I think we're missing the point. Majority or no, this guy is "speaking" the truth about whether the majority is vocal or no with no empircal proof of his own. And the BIGGER issue is the fact he works on a website that's advertising Bioware. PLEASE let us keep the big picture in mind.

Modifié par Viyu, 20 mars 2012 - 08:28 .

[Tazzmission]

Fixers0 wrote...

The PLC wrote...

kbct wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

you opened this door up and made the alligation so if your going to start talking you better back it up before you demand others do and dont use the bsn as the ultimate ** proof** for your argument because with the way people are i cant take them serious at all.

I didn't start it:

The PLC wrote...

You are a vocal minority..

I'm still waiting for the proof that you're not.

I am actually waiting until you start to explain me what so good about the ending, as you appearantly seem so intend on having that point made. 

i like the ending because it gives me as a gamer the oppertunity to use my imagination. im sorry but i like to be creative in fact im related to robert lewis stevenson ( writter of treasure island)


and whos to say there isnt any other gamers that are similar that like to use there imagination?

[terdferguson123]

kbct wrote...

Here is the poll:

http://social.biowar...06/polls/28989/

I can't teach you statistics so you can interpret it correctly.

So, we should trust everything on the internet? We should trust that DA2 deserves a 2 rating on metacritic? Your trying to tell me that everything on the internet should be taken at face value? LOL

Modifié par terdferguson123, 20 mars 2012 - 08:28 .

[Father_Jerusalem]

o Ventus wrote...


Nice generalization.

People that like the endings never provide objective proof as to why it's good.

See? I can do it too.

I've provided objective proof. I have. 

See my posts following this one 
http://social.biowar...9097/2#10322879

I can argue anything about the ending making objective sense except for the Joker/Normandy bits. 

[kbct]

Han Shot First wrote...

I've been here since the beginning, and was active on the old Bioware boards before that. I remember well the complaint threads about ME2 being 'dumbed down.' The difference is that those threads were always outnumbered by those going on about how amazing the Suicide Mission was, and how the gameplay was an improvement over Mass Effect 1. The reviews on metacritic and amazon were also mostly positive, unlike now.

That was nothing compared to what is going on now.

I've never seen anything like this either and I've been around for a long time too.

No one likes the ending on BSN. Except for 2%.