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[RocketManSR2]

Faust1979 wrote...

Am I the only person that remembers the out cry from the first Mass Effect when there were people complaining it was just a dumbed down RPG there were lots of troll threads about it

Thank goodness I missed that. No internet connection at the time. I still consider myself neutral, I was disappointed with the endings I watched and would welcome some DLC closure to my beloved epic trilogy, but I'm not overly upset about it. I'm disappointed in BioWare, but that's only because I know they can do better. One side of this issue needs to stop riling the other one up. Enough is enough. 

[Sentr0]

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

kbct wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

kbct wrote...

Yeah, you have very little say in the poll because 62K people already voted in the poll. 6x larger than any other BSN poll.

You need evidence you say only a minority of the customers didn't like the ending. Because everything on the internet says customers don't like the ending.

Here's a couple words for you: predictive power. The poll predicts this mess, the news articles, and low user reviews.

im still waiting on your evidence that isnt bsn related.

whats wrong cant prove me or a few others wrong?

I can't teach you statistics in a couple posts.

Here I'll give you a little lesson, the poll is BIASED I dont give a **** if 62k people voted in it.

Only people who hate the ending are going to actively go on the internet and search for such polls, which means the majority of people voting in these polls do not like the ending.

If I liked the ending or just don't give a damn, why would I go out of my way to search the web for these polls and vote in them?

They're biased, and can not be used as legitamate evidence that the majority of all Mass Effect fans do not like the ending.

Not biased al all, because people who liked the ending can do the same. But since almost no one did like it, here's your results :wizard:

[Dariansarr]

I think that the 60K raised for childplay represents how many people disliked the ending,,,

[Tazzmission]

UntalkativeBunny wrote...

kbct wrote...

Here is the poll:

http://social.biowar...06/polls/28989/

I can't teach you statistics so you can interpret it correctly.

This proves nothing. The amount of negative votes are clearly bombed votes. You don't have to be a genius to figure that out. Just look at how pissed everyone is about the ending and the extremely childish lengths they've gone to and still are going to.

that and plus i asked him for a link that dosent involve bsn

you cant find one because he knows hes biased and thinks the bsn is the only legit source

[Viyu]

YOU GUYS! LET ME REPEAT FOR THE LAST TIME (hopefully)

The point is, why is a guy that works for a site that is advertising Bioware and EA get to speak as an authority for the majority or minority of people who like the game without any proof? REGARDLESS if we are the minority or not, why is he an authority on the subject with no proof?

Modifié par Viyu, 20 mars 2012 - 08:31 .

[Dariansarr]

Tazzmission wrote...

UntalkativeBunny wrote...

kbct wrote...

Here is the poll:

http://social.biowar...06/polls/28989/

I can't teach you statistics so you can interpret it correctly.

This proves nothing. The amount of negative votes are clearly bombed votes. You don't have to be a genius to figure that out. Just look at how pissed everyone is about the ending and the extremely childish lengths they've gone to and still are going to.

that and plus i asked him for a link that dosent involve bsn

you cant find one because he knows hes biased and thinks the bsn is the only legit source

http://www.google.nl...ngLwSUMmQ-8TgOw 

[MikoDoll]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...


Again, don't put words in my mouth. I've never said they like what's going on. I said that the ones who are silent are the MAJORITY OF ME3 OWNERS. And that the ones who are passionate enough to voice their protests are the VOCAL MINORITY. 

These are FACTS. They cannot, with any semblance of logic, be debated. 

Does every single person who's silent love the endings? Probably not, but they're not passionate enough about it to come to the internet and scream about it. So counting them as members of "your side" just to buck up your numbers is WRONG.

The problem? The implication that the vocal minority aren't representational of the overall sentiments of the silent majority even if those whom are silent majority. Even if they're not passionate enough to vent, that doesn't mean that Bioware risks losing the money of the silent majority who still dislike the game to lesser (passionate) levels. I may not go online and complain about a game but I don't have to pay for the next installment. I've done this many times, in fact.

Modifié par MikoDoll, 20 mars 2012 - 08:31 .

[Father_Jerusalem]

Fixers0 wrote...

The PLC wrote...

kbct wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

you opened this door up and made the alligation so if your going to start talking you better back it up before you demand others do and dont use the bsn as the ultimate ** proof** for your argument because with the way people are i cant take them serious at all.

I didn't start it:

The PLC wrote...

You are a vocal minority..

I'm still waiting for the proof that you're not.

I am actually waiting until you start to explain me what so good about the ending, as you appearantly seem so intend on having that point made. 

Again, I invite you to read my posts starting with this one 


http://social.biowar...9097/2#10322879 

Are the endings flawless? Of course not, but I'll never argue that they are. But, to me, they are satisfying, And to me, that is what's important.

[DaJe]

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

I didn't realize they changed the words "vocal minority" to mean "absolutely everybody minus a few hundred people"...

Actually vocal minority means anyone with negative feedback.

There was also a "vocal minority" upset with DA2 and look what a huge success that game was. Watch out sarcasm levels are reaching meltdown temperatures.

[kbct]

terdferguson123 wrote...

So, we should trust everything on the internet? We should trust that DA2 deserves a 2 rating on metacritic? Your trying to tell me that everything on the internet should be taken at face value? LOL

No, but if you see corroborating evidence everwhere you look, the writing is on the wall.

Look at DA2 sales. You tell me if it deserves a 3.5 out of 5 on Amazon.

Any prediction on what a 2 out 5 will do to ME3 sales?

[Fixers0]

Tazzmission wrote...

i like the ending because it gives me as a gamer the oppertunity to use my imagination. im sorry but i like to be creative in fact im related to robert lewis stevenson ( writter of treasure island)


and whos to say there isnt any other gamers that are similar that like to use there imagination?

Okay, that your opinion, which you are entiteld to have.

But i'd say that when the Audiance, reader, gamer needs to invent stuff in order to make something in the story make sense, the Writers weren't doing their job so well.  

[avatar2396]

For me personally the only real way to tell how this would adversely affect bioware would be to see if they dont change anything and start rolling dlc's and compare them to me2 dlc sales and see what the difference in sales would be because most of those sales would probably come at least the majority from bioware fans and people that at least frequent to some extent.

[hoorayforicecream]

Here's some evidence that you're in the minority:

~50% of the players that played ME2 actually finished it.

50%. That means that, in order to be a majority at all, you have to provide evidence that ME3 has a significantly higher completion rate than ME2 and that the vast, vast majority of those players actually hated the ending.

[Tazzmission]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

The PLC wrote...

kbct wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

you opened this door up and made the alligation so if your going to start talking you better back it up before you demand others do and dont use the bsn as the ultimate ** proof** for your argument because with the way people are i cant take them serious at all.

I didn't start it:

The PLC wrote...

You are a vocal minority..

I'm still waiting for the proof that you're not.

I am actually waiting until you start to explain me what so good about the ending, as you appearantly seem so intend on having that point made. 

Again, I invite you to read my posts starting with this one 


http://social.biowar...9097/2#10322879 

Are the endings flawless? Of course not, but I'll never argue that they are. But, to me, they are satisfying, And to me, that is what's important.

exactly. i said the same thing except i used the word they are ok not perfect but ok but still moved me to basicly cry like a baby and enjoy the game as a whole

[Han Shot First]

The PLC wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

63,000 votes and 57,000 are negative.

/thread

63.000 votes on a Mass Effect forum. 63.000 out of millions of people.

If you want to prove anything with your silly polls, you need to gather people from all over the interwebz, and not just those who knows of this board.

Go to amazon and metacritic and compare ME2's reviews to ME3. Go to facebook, or twitter, or any other venue where Mass Effect 3 and its endings are being discussed. The response is overwhelmingly negative, and not just limited to that poll or the BSN.

Anyone who argues that those who disliked the ending are a minority is simply refusing to face facts.

[Father_Jerusalem]

Dariansarr wrote...

I think that the 60K raised for childplay represents how many people disliked the ending,,,

And I think that Maria Sharapova playing women's tennis represents how all people playing women's tennis are Maria Sharapova.

What are you even... I don't... 

Donating to Child's Play is ALWAYS a good thing. I just wish it didn't come with the condescenion and desire to shove the number in people's faces.

[Fixers0]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Are the endings flawless? Of course not, but I'll never argue that they are. But, to me, they are satisfying, And to me, that is what's important.

Well, that's good for you, i would say that "satisfying" is the last thing on my list when to describe Mass effect 3's ending, With things like, "Not making any sense" and "Don't provide any closure'' higher on the list.

[Sentr0]

Tazzmission wrote...

UntalkativeBunny wrote...

kbct wrote...

Here is the poll:

http://social.biowar...06/polls/28989/

I can't teach you statistics so you can interpret it correctly.

This proves nothing. The amount of negative votes are clearly bombed votes. You don't have to be a genius to figure that out. Just look at how pissed everyone is about the ending and the extremely childish lengths they've gone to and still are going to.

that and plus i asked him for a link that dosent involve bsn

you cant find one because he knows hes biased and thinks the bsn is the only legit source

Lol you kidding right? BSN is the core of BIOWARE fans that LOVE their games (->they buy it), so if there is a bias is towards bioware!! (you're the living proof, in no other forum users defend bioware the way you are doing)

Modifié par Sentr0, 20 mars 2012 - 08:36 .

[Tazzmission]

Fixers0 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

i like the ending because it gives me as a gamer the oppertunity to use my imagination. im sorry but i like to be creative in fact im related to robert lewis stevenson ( writter of treasure island)


and whos to say there isnt any other gamers that are similar that like to use there imagination?

Okay, that your opinion, which you are entiteld to have.

But i'd say that when the Audiance, reader, gamer needs to invent stuff in order to make something in the story make sense, the Writers weren't doing their job so well.  

but you have to hear me out though.

some posters who say they are with your movment go out and make threads and publicly state they are speaking for every gamer

im sorry but they cant speak for everyone

to make a thread like that and say that to me is just looking for a riot because who are they to say they speak for me? who are they to say what is and isnt worth my 80 bucks?

the only reason why i have ever attacked the movment is mainly because of that dude

its nothing personal i just hate this idea that they know whats right for me as a consumer

[Father_Jerusalem]

Han Shot First wrote...

The PLC wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

63,000 votes and 57,000 are negative.

/thread

63.000 votes on a Mass Effect forum. 63.000 out of millions of people.

If you want to prove anything with your silly polls, you need to gather people from all over the interwebz, and not just those who knows of this board.

Go to amazon and metacritic and compare ME2's reviews to ME3. Go to facebook, or twitter, or any other venue where Mass Effect 3 and its endings are being discussed. The response is overwhelmingly negative, and not just limited to that poll or the BSN.

Anyone who argues that those who disliked the ending are a minority is simply refusing to face facts.

But... the same people who are posting on Amazon and Metacritic and Facebook and Twitter are the same people who are posting here? How does that... how does that prove ANYTHING?

[kbct]

Tazzmission wrote...

UntalkativeBunny wrote...

kbct wrote...

Here is the poll:

http://social.biowar...06/polls/28989/

I can't teach you statistics so you can interpret it correctly.

This proves nothing. The amount of negative votes are clearly bombed votes. You don't have to be a genius to figure that out. Just look at how pissed everyone is about the ending and the extremely childish lengths they've gone to and still are going to.

that and plus i asked him for a link that dosent involve bsn

you cant find one because he knows hes biased and thinks the bsn is the only legit source

Here is a link:

http://www.amazon.co.../qid=1332201547

Lots of love for ME3, right?

Or do you want another poll with 62K votes?

[kofelover]

terdferguson123 wrote...

kofelover wrote...

Faust1979 wrote...

I have to say I agree with this article we don't go around crying and forcing movie studios to try and fix their movies when they make a bad one. Where were these people when hollywood pumps out something like the Tim Burton Planet of the Apes or the awful Green Lantern? No they are just riled up over a games ending because one game they didn't like and now suddenly Bioware is evil it's stupid

Movies consume a few hours of your life for about $15 USD in my area.  A trilogy of RPG games consumes, arguably, hundreds of hours and dollars (including all DLC). 

The analogy fails miserably.

No it doesn't, it's all relative. I have come out of movies/books feeling much more than I have over Bioware games before (and this is coming from someone who loves BW games). You are just ignoring what you don't want to hear.

Hardly...  How am I ignoring what I don't want to hear?  What is it you think I want to hear?  I was simply responding to someone else making an analogy that is obtuse.  Obviously, movies can't be "patched" and there is no "DLC".  If I love a book or movie, I reread or rewatch it and I'm happy.  If I don't, I've only lost a small amount of time and money and move on.  In this case, I've lost not only the hundreds of hours, but dollars as well. 

And I certainly DON'T think Bioware is either evil or stupid.  If I did, I wouldn't have bought everything they've developed since 1998.  Move on...

[avatar2396]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Here's some evidence that you're in the minority:

~50% of the players that played ME2 actually finished it.

50%. That means that, in order to be a majority at all, you have to provide evidence that ME3 has a significantly higher completion rate than ME2 and that the vast, vast majority of those players actually hated the ending.

The game hasnt been out long enough to validate using a statistic like this at least yet

[Viyu]

YOU GUYS. PLEASE. The topic is about a guy whose masquerading as an expert, not whether or not we are actually the majority or minority. Though to be honest I am guilty of diverging from the subject myself.... But I'm hoping we can discuss this.