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[catabuca]

It's pretty pointless to speculate on majorities or minorities. Until you can sit all 1.85 million players down and ask them their thoughts in a non-biased survey conducted by an independent observer, everything is open to speculation, assumption, and every side can find one thing or another to back up their claim.

Lies, damn lies, and statistics.

What's more, why are people fighting each other? It makes no logical sense. Isn't everyone meant to be a fan of either BioWare in general or the ME franchise specifically? I mean, that's why many people are upset, right? Because they like the franchise. And many people are happy to greater or lesser degree. Because they like the franchise. Why can't everyone just chill the eff out and realise if you like it or you don't like it you're entitled to your opinion, and your opinion nor that of your friends is the same as all opinion.

I agree with the poster above who said this is embarrassing.

[Utrabob]

Faust1979 wrote...

I have to say I agree with this article we don't go around crying and forcing movie studios to try and fix their movies when they make a bad one. Where were these people when hollywood pumps out something like the Tim Burton Planet of the Apes or the awful Green Lantern? No they are just riled up over a games ending because one game they didn't like and now suddenly Bioware is evil it's stupid

Not true, most people watching the Batman and Robin movie thaught it was auful as a result the batman move franchise was compleatly changed to the newer and much darker series we have had since Batman Begins. Not to mention every time a "new edition" of a film is reduced cur content is added and some scenes are tweeked, how many versions of Alien or Star Wars have there been, not to mention those "Remasterd" films and TV shows.

Another thing to mention is that never in the history of media has it been so easy to alter an existing product that with the game-update systems that modern consoles have, many games have already been tweeked with updates that have change and original game to acomidate updates, perfect example would be an MMO and updates like SWG NGE, an update that changed how the core gameplay and class system worked efectivly altering the game to a simpler product.

For bioware to alter the ending it would not nesserly take a lot of time or money as the majority of the framework already exists, hell most if not all the artwork is present, the only real issue would be re-hireing the voice actors and they will do that anyway with any new DLC they decide to add this is no diffrent, the only thing that is most likely on there minds is should they, since if bioware give in to this "minority" what other changes within products may be demanded in the future by simaler groups.

That being said i felt insulted when i finished ME3, im supprised no one has braught up the fact that the game is still being faulsly advertised as a product that allows the players to manipulate the games plot right up to the very end, i guess thats technicly true after all you can choose between red, blue and green explosions.

Modifié par Utrabob, 20 mars 2012 - 08:37 .

[kbct]

Sentr0 wrote...
Lol you kidding right? BSN is the core of BIOWARE fans that LOVE theirgames (->they buy it), so if there is a bias is towards bioware!! (you're the living proof, in no other forum users defend bioware the way you are doing)

Exactly. We're in the BioWare stronghold. And it's OVERFLOWING with people that don't like the ending.

80% should like the ending here, not 2%.

Modifié par kbct, 20 mars 2012 - 08:36 .

[UntalkativeBunny]

Han Shot First wrote...

Go to amazon and metacritic and compare ME2's reviews to ME3. Go to facebook, or twitter, or any other venue where Mass Effect 3 and its endings are being discussed. The response is overwhelmingly negative, and not just limited to that poll or the BSN.

Anyone who argues that those who disliked the ending are a minority is simply refusing to face facts.

Dude, this still doesn't mean anything. How hard is it to make an account on any of these sites and join in the discussion so it appears the way you're seeing it? You're being extremists so of course you'll go to stupid lengths to show your distaste for the ending.

[Han Shot First]

What I don't understsnd, is why some of those who actually like the ending are unwilling to face facts and admit that the majority of fans did not like it. There is nothing wrong with having a different opinion than most everyone else.

As an example, one of my guilty pleasures is The Island of Dr Moreau with Marlon Brando. That movie was panned as being terrible by both critics and moviegoers alike, but I kind of liked it. I know I'm in a minority, and don't care. I usually watch it on the rare occasions it is on TV.

[Father_Jerusalem]

Fixers0 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Are the endings flawless? Of course not, but I'll never argue that they are. But, to me, they are satisfying, And to me, that is what's important.

Well, that's good for you, i would say that "satisfying" is the last thing on my list when to describe Mass effect 3's ending, With things like, "Not making any sense" and "Don't provide any closure'' higher on the list.

"I am actually waiting until you start to explain me what so good about the ending, as you appearantly seem so intend on having that point made.  "

Your quote. I tried to show you an explanation of what's good about the ending. You ignore it out of hand. I can't even...

Yeah, I'm not even going to bother with you anymore.

[RocketManSR2]

Majority, minority, who gives a s***? It's in EA and BioWare's hands as to what happens next, regardless of what any media outlet or poll says. Both companies know that a fairly large (60,000 fills a baseball stadium) number of people are unhappy to the point of taking their money elsewhere. Some already have with the refunds from Amazon and so forth. Those 60,000 pissed off "nerds" adds up to a potential loss of sales totaling $3.6 million. That will grab any accountant's attention.

- That dollar amount doesn't even take into account the CE of any future games they wouldn't be buying.

Modifié par RocketManSR2, 20 mars 2012 - 08:39 .

[avatar2396]

Yahoo stinks anyways no matter what they write. Most of their articles are written by simpletons. They had an article the other day stating there was a new study saying eating red meat was worse for you then eating poultry and they were stating it like it was a new discovery. Holy crap!! Next thing they will say is smoking increases my chance of lung cancer

[UntalkativeBunny]

Viyu wrote...

YOU GUYS. PLEASE. The topic is about a guy whose masquerading as an expert, not whether or not we are actually the majority or minority. Though to be honest I am guilty of diverging from the subject myself.... But I'm hoping we can discuss this.

It's pointless, no matter if he is an expert they all get paid off so that being said, there is no conclusive way to show a majority or minority of the fans who liked or disliked the ending. Those that dislike it don't see the big picture.

[naledgeborn is back]

The Island of Dr. Moreau is a really ****ty movie LOL. But you make a good point, if you like it that's all that should matter. That's what I've been saying to the anti-protesters about the ME3 ending.

[Fixers0]

Tazzmission wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

i like the ending because it gives me as a gamer the oppertunity to use my imagination. im sorry but i like to be creative in fact im related to robert lewis stevenson ( writter of treasure island)


and whos to say there isnt any other gamers that are similar that like to use there imagination?

Okay, that your opinion, which you are entiteld to have.

But i'd say that when the Audiance, reader, gamer needs to invent stuff in order to make something in the story make sense, the Writers weren't doing their job so well.  

but you have to hear me out though.

some posters who say they are with your movment go out and make threads and publicly state they are speaking for every gamer

im sorry but they cant speak for everyone

to make a thread like that and say that to me is just looking for a riot because who are they to say they speak for me? who are they to say what is and isnt worth my 80 bucks?

the only reason why i have ever attacked the movment is mainly because of that dude

its nothing personal i just hate this idea that they know whats right for me as a consumer

If that's the point then i have nothing more to say, everbody has the right to have his/her opinion, and i am not going to interfere with that, i am however going to spread my opion, not only by shouting things but also provide carefully constructed arguments with them.  

[Father_Jerusalem]

Han Shot First wrote...

What I don't understsnd, is why some of those who actually like the ending are unwilling to face facts and admit that the majority of fans did not like it. There is nothing wrong with having a different opinion than most everyone else.

As an example, one of my guilty pleasures is The Island of Dr Moreau with Marlon Brando. That movie was panned as being terrible by both critics and moviegoers alike, but I kind of liked it. I know I'm in a minority, and don't care. I usually watch it on the rare occasions it is on TV.

I'VE ADMITTED THAT. FKING A MILLION TIMES. I've said that the majority of fans on BSN did not like the ending.

WHY IS THAT NOT ENOUGH? WHY DOES EVERY SINGLE FAN ON THE FACE OF THE PLANET HAVE TO HATE THE ENDING TOO?

My. Fking. GOD. 

And as for "there is nothing worng with having a different opinion than most everyone else"? Really? REALLY? After you and yours CONSTANTLY berate people who DID like the endings as "ignorant" or "stupid" or "paid trolls", you're going to try and pull that out? I've SEEN you Han Shot First, ripping on people for liking the ending. 

COME. ON. ARUHEWGuwrbwfwegfnweGVRG3WFwegfuinj2eg23ug24g;ewrwd.

[K_Tabris]

Any intelligent person knows Yahoo is not a great source for news.

This just further affirms that point.

[Fixers0]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

"I am actually waiting until you start to explain me what so good about the ending, as you appearantly seem so intend on having that point made.  "

Your quote. I tried to show you an explanation of what's good about the ending. You ignore it out of hand. I can't even...

Yeah, I'm not even going to bother with you anymore.

And What was your point if i may ask? 

[Dariansarr]

Yahoo sucks certain round objects anyway

[hoorayforicecream]

avatar2396 wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Here's some evidence that you're in the minority:

~50% of the players that played ME2 actually finished it.

50%. That means that, in order to be a majority at all, you have to provide evidence that ME3 has a significantly higher completion rate than ME2 and that the vast, vast majority of those players actually hated the ending.

The game hasnt been out long enough to validate using a statistic like this at least yet

Untrue. A majority is still more than half, and a minority is still less than half by definition. Of those who played ME3, a percentage of those players have finished the game. To claim that a majority of the players hated the ending means that you make the following two claims:

#1. A majority of players who played ME3 have completed ME3
#2. Enough of the subset of players who completed ME3 AND hated the ending comprise a majority of all players who have played ME3

There's plenty of evidence that most players don't complete games. The burden of proof is on you to show that not only do many more players than usual complete ME3, but also that they agree with you.

[kbct]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

I'VE ADMITTED THAT. FKING A MILLION TIMES. I've said that the majority of fans on BSN did not like the ending.

WHY IS THAT NOT ENOUGH? WHY DOES EVERY SINGLE FAN ON THE FACE OF THE PLANET HAVE TO HATE THE ENDING TOO?

My. Fking. GOD. 

And as for "there is nothing worng with having a different opinion than most everyone else"? Really? REALLY? After you and yours CONSTANTLY berate people who DID like the endings as "ignorant" or "stupid" or "paid trolls", you're going to try and pull that out? I've SEEN you Han Shot First, ripping on people for liking the ending. 

COME. ON. ARUHEWGuwrbwfwegfnweGVRG3WFwegfuinj2eg23ug24g;ewrwd.

Take a deep breath, Father.

[Han Shot First]

I'VE ADMITTED THAT. FKING A MILLION TIMES. I've said that the majority of fans on BSN did not like the ending.

Because it isn't just the BSN.

It is the majority of fans. Period.

[RocketManSR2]

I really should be trying to finish ME3 myself, but I can't tear myself away from this ridiculousness.

[MikoDoll]

Han Shot First wrote...

I'VE ADMITTED THAT. FKING A MILLION TIMES. I've said that the majority of fans on BSN did not like the ending.

Because it isn't just the BSN.

It is the majority of fans. Period. that completed the game. Period

fix'd

[UntalkativeBunny]

Han Shot First wrote...

Because it isn't just the BSN.

It is the majority of fans. Period.

It's not. You have no conclusive proof that it is the majority of fans other than polls which can be bombed, as well as reviews and negative discussions. Anyone of you can make an account of these sites and join in on the discussion. You are in denial. Lol.

Modifié par UntalkativeBunny, 20 mars 2012 - 08:47 .

[kofelover]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

I really should be trying to finish ME3 myself, but I can't tear myself away from this ridiculousness.

You might want to rethink that or go forth with lowered expectations.

[UntalkativeBunny]

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Modifié par UntalkativeBunny, 20 mars 2012 - 08:46 .

[Father_Jerusalem]

Han Shot First wrote...

I'VE ADMITTED THAT. FKING A MILLION TIMES. I've said that the majority of fans on BSN did not like the ending.

Because it isn't just the BSN.

It is the majority of fans. Period.

I.... I am not nearly drunk enough to deal with this.

[kbct]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

Majority, minority, who gives a s***? It's in EA and BioWare's hands as to what happens next, regardless of what any media outlet or poll says. Both companies know that a fairly large (60,000 fills a baseball stadium) number of people are unhappy to the point of taking their money elsewhere. Some already have with the refunds from Amazon and so forth. Those 60,000 pissed off "nerds" adds up to a potential loss of sales totaling $3.6 million. That will grab any accountant's attention.

Yup, anything that affects the bottom line matters. They will do their own statistical analysis. And I guarantee EA is not gonna ask every customer whether they liked the ending before they make a decision.

It will be interesting to see the sales numbers over the next ten weeks.