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[Mutineer81]

Korusus wrote...

The problem is I think a lot of people are seeing this issue as part of a bigger picture and are losing faith in BioWare in a way that maybe wouldn't be as prevalent if the ending were the only issue.

Very well put, man. I like that point.

[Traim Eisenblut]

arial wrote...

Traim Eisenblut wrote...

arial wrote...

XiaShou wrote...

i dont see money being an issue, cause many ppl stated they would pay alot for that. so costs are not really an issue

however I am sure many (not all, but many) are younger gamers who don't have a crdit card to purchase online DLC. therefore could not follow through on their claim.

And on what data do you sustain this assumption?
Gamers have grown up. The times when only 12 year olds were playing "street fighter II" are passé. DLCs were a major income for ME:2, you can bet your a** on BioWare expecting ME:3 to be a cashcow through DLCs for at least the rest of this year.
Lowering the anticipated income through this yet not released DLCs can be a much bigger financial loss than developing a yet-not-planned new ending-DLC (and selling it even for crappy returnrates).

I did not say all, i said most, because in my personal experience us older gamers are more accepting, we dont like an ending we post a review and move on.

but most youths nowadays continuously complain until they get what they want... I blame bad parenting...

Ok, what about the ChildsPlay-fundraising that collected more than 60.000 $$$ donations from fans of the mass effect franchise who want a new ending to ME:3? How could so many have donated, if they majorly not even have a credit card?
I`m 29 years old, I studied 6 years medicine, and I am very upset because of the quality BioWare delivered. I have to deal with life-and-death situations day by day (well, not everyday but pretty often...), but that does not make me feel indifferent towards the games ending, because it totally wastes such a great, coherent fiction and smashes all the emotions the player build up for it over the past 5 years back into his face, kicks you in the nuts and than says "Please buy additional content!".
No, that is NOT how I want to be treated as a customer. It is totally justified that I let the company know that.

[bazzag]

The ending just needs finalising, not necessarily any gameplay, ie shooting things.
Example: If we use indoctrination as the basis of the ending, shep will wake on london. He comes to, around the point he comes to before going past maurauder shields. Remember what beating husk saren did to sovereign? Same thing to Harbinger. As Shep gets to his feet, the parts of hammer that weren't in the charge have finally made it, and blow Harby a new a-hole. How it goes from there can differ. You could say that the crucible isn't a weapon, but a means by which to defeat indoctrination, thus rendering a reapers power over people null and void, and destroying harby creates a reaction amongst other reaps which overloads them, seeming as he could be in direct control over all of them. You and hammer could go in thru the conduit and unleash the crucibles power, although obviously events would play out differently. Or shep could be too injured and hammer with a living anderson could go in and finish the job (assuming of course dave death was indoctrination ploy). Obviously, if you succumb to indoctrination, then the end plays out different. Remember these ideas need no gameplay, its just a long cutscene with dialogue choices.

As for if its not indoc, then check out my idea for an ending here

http://social.biowar...8105/2#10239474

As for paying the vas, i'd imagine someone like freddie would cost more than seth. I'd imagine someone like seth, or jennifer or ana hillis or any of the veteran ME voice actors would do it regardless of money, they love it too much. I know i, as an aspiring thespian, would love it and would probably do it for free

[Alexraptor1]

Traim Eisenblut wrote...

Alexraptor1 wrote...

EA made 3.8 billion last year, money isn't an issue for them.

The decision EA will have to make is, do they want to continue making money off the Mass Effect franchise and Bioware brand?

Now that`s the other extreme. Money is ALWAYS an issue to BioWare. They are a frigging company in the biggest selling entertainment-industry. How could Money not be an issue for them? It will be the primary, secondary and third issue in EVERY decision they make. 
BioWare is not some fanatic kid in garage with the hearthy wish to please every single soul of his customers. BioWare is a corporation. They don`t want you to smile or to be happy, they want your money.

And I would give them mine... if they would deliver the quality I demand!

And you completely missed the point.
The point being that investing in a revamped ending is not something they cannot financially affort.
What they can't afford however is to completely flush one of their leading brand names and franchises down the toilet.

Also, I think they do want us to smile and be happy, because we would be a thousand times more willing to give them our money if that was the case.

Satisfied customers = more money.

[Kakita Tatsumaru]

Mutineer81 wrote...
 Especially since I think a proper/corrective DLC for Mass Effect 3 should exceed ten hours of game play and be heavily intertwined into the original game.

Why 10+ hours of gameplay in changing the last 10 minutes of the game?
It would more likely be around half an hour per ending, nothing quite like 10 hours.

[spirosz]

The thing is to, the biggest issue at least from where I see it, is they might need to do VA recording again (which likely won't happen), I highly doubt these fixes are coming even though so many people want them.

If they were to include all the characters again, especially the LI's - that would cost a lot, plus they would probably make it generic and not really care about reflecting the character itself.  It's one thing to just have Liara (like in LOTSB) and a few new VA, but having all the cast?  I can't see it working without making 1 scene, with each character saying the same thing, lol.  

Modifié par spiros9110, 20 mars 2012 - 08:25 .

[Overule]

It's worth noting the charity drive broke 70000$ yesterday. So people are *clearly* moved enough to invest money in this thing. If EA has the good sense to adjust their tone in time they might just be able to not be remembered as the Yoko Ono of the gaming industry *and* make some scratch while they're at it.

Modifié par Overule, 20 mars 2012 - 08:23 .

[Traim Eisenblut]

Alexraptor1 wrote...

Traim Eisenblut wrote...

Alexraptor1 wrote...

EA made 3.8 billion last year, money isn't an issue for them.

The decision EA will have to make is, do they want to continue making money off the Mass Effect franchise and Bioware brand?

Now that`s the other extreme. Money is ALWAYS an issue to BioWare. They are a frigging company in the biggest selling entertainment-industry. How could Money not be an issue for them? It will be the primary, secondary and third issue in EVERY decision they make. 
BioWare is not some fanatic kid in garage with the hearthy wish to please every single soul of his customers. BioWare is a corporation. They don`t want you to smile or to be happy, they want your money.

And I would give them mine... if they would deliver the quality I demand!

And you completely missed the point.
The point being that investing in a revamped ending is not something they cannot financially affort.
What they can't afford however is to completely flush one of their leading brand names and franchises down the toilet.

Also, I think they do want us to smile and be happy, because we would be a thousand times more willing to give them our money if that was the case.

Satisfied customers = more money.

Ok, misunderstood you there, sorry. I totally agree to this clarification.

[Bebuse]

You seem to forget the long term strategy.

An ending DLC may or may not make money.

But that, really, is inconsequential.

Let's think about what happens if they do not fix it. The people most affected will be the hardcore fans. They may be irrelevant, you say, but I disagree. I imagine the % of fans Bioware can class as hardcore is higher than most other companies, because of the emotional investment that Bioware games cause in a player. To shatter this investment, without repair, will be to lose a substantial portion of these customers.

Hardcore fans are the ones who buy:

DLC
Collectors Editions
Novels
Figurines
Art books
Pre-orders of future games without question

If Bioware survived losing its hardcore fan base at all, it would change dramatically as a company. EA could not afford to allow Bioware's flights of RPG fancy without knowing that, if nobody else, their hard core base would buy it. They would abandon pretence of being a maker of RPGs and would turn towards story driven action games.

I do not believe in a financial argument against Bioware's not fixing the endings. A company (in Britain at least) has a legal obligation to maximise its value. A short term dip in profits to secure future stability and a devoted customer base is called investment. Sacrificing that customer base in the chase of temporary profits is called suicide.

[arial]

Traim Eisenblut wrote...

arial wrote...

Traim Eisenblut wrote...

arial wrote...

XiaShou wrote...

i dont see money being an issue, cause many ppl stated they would pay alot for that. so costs are not really an issue

however I am sure many (not all, but many) are younger gamers who don't have a crdit card to purchase online DLC. therefore could not follow through on their claim.

And on what data do you sustain this assumption?
Gamers have grown up. The times when only 12 year olds were playing "street fighter II" are passé. DLCs were a major income for ME:2, you can bet your a** on BioWare expecting ME:3 to be a cashcow through DLCs for at least the rest of this year.
Lowering the anticipated income through this yet not released DLCs can be a much bigger financial loss than developing a yet-not-planned new ending-DLC (and selling it even for crappy returnrates).

I did not say all, i said most, because in my personal experience us older gamers are more accepting, we dont like an ending we post a review and move on.

but most youths nowadays continuously complain until they get what they want... I blame bad parenting...

Ok, what about the ChildsPlay-fundraising that collected more than 60.000 $$$ donations from fans of the mass effect franchise who want a new ending to ME:3? How could so many have donated, if they majorly not even have a credit card?
I`m 29 years old, I studied 6 years medicine, and I am very upset because of the quality BioWare delivered. I have to deal with life-and-death situations day by day (well, not everyday but pretty often...), but that does not make me feel indifferent towards the games ending, because it totally wastes such a great, coherent fiction and smashes all the emotions the player build up for it over the past 5 years back into his face, kicks you in the nuts and than says "Please buy additional content!".
No, that is NOT how I want to be treated as a customer. It is totally justified that I let the company know that.

okay man Listen!

I did not say all! I said Most! and if youv ever watched the show House im sure youve heard him say "There Is An Exception to every rule". Obviously you are an exception.

P.S. Don't bother posting stuff about your personal on forums, as most people will consider it completely made up (even if it is not(esspecially if you claim to be in such a high paying profession)).

[o Ventus]

Can you teach me to see the future the way you do?

[Mutineer81]

Kakita Tatsumaru wrote...

Mutineer81 wrote...
 Especially since I think a proper/corrective DLC for Mass Effect 3 should exceed ten hours of game play and be heavily intertwined into the original game.

Why 10+ hours of gameplay in changing the last 10 minutes of the game?
It would more likely be around half an hour per ending, nothing quite like 10 hours.

Well, I think you need more than just a new final cut scene. To do it right, you just need more: more gameplay, more interactions, more scenarios, etc. More setup, rather than simply crowbarring a new cut scene in.

[Texansamurai]

Money is never an issue when your an EA company, EA has plenty of money.... Also isin't EA owned by Walt Disney? Yep lots of money. The only thing they care about is.... Will DLC ending make EA richer.... The answer rather you hate the ending or not is ... YES

[Kilshrek]

Bebuse wrote...

I do not believe in a financial argument against Bioware's not fixing the endings. A company (in Britain at least) has a legal obligation to maximise its value. A short term dip in profits to secure future stability and a devoted customer base is called investment. Sacrificing that customer base in the chase of temporary profits is called suicide.

They're not subjects of Her Majesty, mind. Those foreign type always liked to do things strangely.

Joking aside, Bioware is under EA's wing. EA may be content to let everything else die and just focus on TOR, who knows?

[Mutineer81]

o Ventus wrote...

Can you teach me to see the future the way you do?

Lots of drugs and alcohol.

[Heather Cline]

If Bethesda could do it for Fallout 3 then Bioware can do it for ME3.

[o Ventus]

Heather Cline wrote...

If Bethesda could do it for Fallout 3 then Bioware can do it for ME3.

/thread

[THEPOPE1001]

chris fenton wrote...

Funkcase wrote...

not doing it could cost them more in the future.

QFT

Thats no troll dude, just watch how bad Bioware will be viewed by gamers in the coming years!! If I may this is the final nail in the caffin. S:hit, how much can a person take before they say enough, and stop buying their games?   

[Mutineer81]

Heather Cline wrote...

If Bethesda could do it for Fallout 3 then Bioware can do it for ME3.

Yeah, and ten more experience levels! LOL.

[SimonM72]

Alexraptor1 wrote...

EA made 3.8 billion last year, money isn't an issue for them.

The decision EA will have to make is, do they want to continue making money off the Mass Effect franchise and Bioware brand?

..and if they want to see the franchise prosper, through more games and the Legendary Pictures film then they should treat the 100% Bioware-owned IP as what it is, the jewel in the crown of Bioware.

[Robhuzz]

spiros9110 wrote...

The thing is to, the biggest issue at least from where I see it, is they might need to do VA recording again (which likely won't happen), I highly doubt these fixes are coming even though so many people want them.

If they were to include all the characters again, especially the LI's - that would cost a lot, plus they would probably make it generic and not really care about reflecting the character itself.  It's one thing to just have Liara (like in LOTSB) and a few new VA, but having all the cast?  I can't see it working without making 1 scene, with each character saying the same thing, lol.  

They were always going to add more story based DLC and there will most definitely be squad banther in there so the voice actors will be returning anyway...

[MissMaster_2]

o Ventus wrote...

Heather Cline wrote...

If Bethesda could do it for Fallout 3 then Bioware can do it for ME3.

/thread

[Mutineer81]

Robhuzz wrote...

spiros9110 wrote...

The thing is to, the biggest issue at least from where I see it, is they might need to do VA recording again (which likely won't happen), I highly doubt these fixes are coming even though so many people want them.

If they were to include all the characters again, especially the LI's - that would cost a lot, plus they would probably make it generic and not really care about reflecting the character itself.  It's one thing to just have Liara (like in LOTSB) and a few new VA, but having all the cast?  I can't see it working without making 1 scene, with each character saying the same thing, lol.  

They were always going to add more story based DLC and there will most definitely be squad banther in there so the voice actors will be returning anyway...

But they didn't in the ME2 DLC's. No new squad talk.

[ArcanistLibram]

Losing customers drops potential revenue by a lot in the long run. It's not just $20. It's $20 per game as long as the company exists. It adds up fast, especially when you factor in DLC. Throw in SW:TOR subscriptions and you can triple the lost revenue.

[DVZ]

Seems to be a lot of these "suck it up" threads popping up lately. One wonders if some of them are on Bioware's payroll... anyhoo, defeatist attitudes like this will make Bioware think they're winning and they won't even bother.

"HOLD THAT F______ LINE!"