EA doesn't give a flying bleep about gamer's, they only care about the bottom dollar and making money for their stock holders. EA motto is: "Ride it like you stole it, then burn it to the ground. Find a new developer and do it all over again... PROFIT!!"
Fallout 3 did it. Why not ME3?? Oh, I know..... Satan anyone?!!
Bioware will not fix ME3's ending. It will cost too much.
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Mutineer81
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#52
Posté 20 mars 2012 - 08:38
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They will do something about the endings because they can make a but load of money with it,
i mean if gamers are willing to donate 65K to charity to change the ending, they can potentially make hundreds of thousands with DLC
i mean if gamers are willing to donate 65K to charity to change the ending, they can potentially make hundreds of thousands with DLC
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Posté 20 mars 2012 - 08:41
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If Bethesda could do it for Fallout 3 then Bioware can do it for ME3.
Broken Steel not only changed the ending, but opened up the world and added more content. Not the same thing as "just an ending". I'm not sure I'll pay for a few videos, a shepard voiceover and a slideshow.
I don't think people know exactly the amount of effort/resources for what they're asking for actually is. Sure, EA has a lot of money. But they produce lots of games besides Mass Effect. The suits may find more cost effective to crank out another FIFA game and forget about ME.
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Posté 20 mars 2012 - 08:41
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Mutineer81 wrote...
Robhuzz wrote...
spiros9110 wrote...
The thing is to, the biggest issue at least from where I see it, is they might need to do VA recording again (which likely won't happen), I highly doubt these fixes are coming even though so many people want them.
If they were to include all the characters again, especially the LI's - that would cost a lot, plus they would probably make it generic and not really care about reflecting the character itself. It's one thing to just have Liara (like in LOTSB) and a few new VA, but having all the cast? I can't see it working without making 1 scene, with each character saying the same thing, lol.
They were always going to add more story based DLC and there will most definitely be squad banther in there so the voice actors will be returning anyway...
But they didn't in the ME2 DLC's. No new squad talk.
My point exactly. If Bioware does this DLC right, then I will purchase it, but if they decide to half-ass it, then I won't pour anymore of my time into this series. ME2 characters already got sidelined enough, so I'm basically expecting the same thing if they were to be in a ME3 dlc (Romance DLC or Ending Fix).
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Posté 20 mars 2012 - 08:41
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Money going out:
-Paying the actors, (If they are even willing to do it, For all we know, Mark Meer is busy filming Red Sand, etc)
-Getting the assets together to properly to things such as;
-Writing (Mac Walter probably doesn't give a ****)
-Concepts (Takes time to appease the majority of the minority)
-Rendering (New areas)
-Level designs (Do we want to rehash old scenes?)
-Dialogue (You think ALL the romances and bromances want to return to voice all the possible romance sub-plots?)
-They could half ass it, satisfy a group, but in the End Run (<- Pun) not everyone will be happy. They just can't unless they make a DLC for EVERY. SINGLE. DEMOGRAPHIC.
Money going in:
-Paid DLC - HELL some people want BioWare to release it FOR FREE! You think I'm gonna be the scapegoat for the whole damned machine?! Shieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet.
^ So count this out if you want it for free
-Future purchases will be made by enraged fans because they got a reach around.
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So in the End Run - Mass Effect 2 OST, you're all still in Denial mode.
I want different endings, but atleast I know that's ludicrously hard and never going to happen.
But if ya'll want to Hold the Line. Go right ahead.
-Paying the actors, (If they are even willing to do it, For all we know, Mark Meer is busy filming Red Sand, etc)
-Getting the assets together to properly to things such as;
-Writing (Mac Walter probably doesn't give a ****)
-Concepts (Takes time to appease the majority of the minority)
-Rendering (New areas)
-Level designs (Do we want to rehash old scenes?)
-Dialogue (You think ALL the romances and bromances want to return to voice all the possible romance sub-plots?)
-They could half ass it, satisfy a group, but in the End Run (<- Pun) not everyone will be happy. They just can't unless they make a DLC for EVERY. SINGLE. DEMOGRAPHIC.
Money going in:
-Paid DLC - HELL some people want BioWare to release it FOR FREE! You think I'm gonna be the scapegoat for the whole damned machine?! Shieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet.
^ So count this out if you want it for free
-Future purchases will be made by enraged fans because they got a reach around.
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So in the End Run - Mass Effect 2 OST, you're all still in Denial mode.
I want different endings, but atleast I know that's ludicrously hard and never going to happen.
But if ya'll want to Hold the Line. Go right ahead.
Modifié par Karimloo, 20 mars 2012 - 08:42 .
#56
Posté 20 mars 2012 - 08:41
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DVZ wrote...
Seems to be a lot of these "suck it up" threads popping up lately. One wonders if some of them are on Bioware's payroll... anyhoo, defeatist attitudes like this will make Bioware think they're winning and they won't even bother.
"HOLD THAT F______ LINE!"
I worked as a professional blogger for five years dealing with clients and I can tell you for a fact, lots of them panic at bad press/critical reaction and yes, they have their own people go in and respond to negative comments; sometimes even the client him or herself will do it. Its a wimpy thing to do - take your lumps!
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Posté 20 mars 2012 - 08:42
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cachx wrote...
Heather Cline wrote...
If Bethesda could do it for Fallout 3 then Bioware can do it for ME3.
Broken Steel not only changed the ending, but opened up the world and added more content. Not the same thing as "just an ending". I'm not sure I'll pay for a few videos, a shepard voiceover and a slideshow.
I don't think people know exactly the amount of effort/resources for what they're asking for actually is. Sure, EA has a lot of money. But they produce lots of games besides Mass Effect. The suits may find more cost effective to crank out another FIFA game and forget about ME.
Yep.
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Posté 20 mars 2012 - 08:42
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Have you seen this.... not sure if tis a hoax or not but sure seems legitimate:
http://www.gamefront...h-due-in-april/
http://www.gamefront...h-due-in-april/
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Posté 20 mars 2012 - 08:43
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I don't think anyone here can state what Bioware will or wont do. We don't have inside information.
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Posté 20 mars 2012 - 08:44
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As much as I want a different ending, I don't think we'll be getting one. If Bioware was planning an alternate ending patch/DLC/something they would have said something rather than have all this outrage and bad publicity build up to an insane level. Now if I could just figure out how to pull myself out of this depression and move on T_T
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Posté 20 mars 2012 - 08:44
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cachx wrote...
Heather Cline wrote...
If Bethesda could do it for Fallout 3 then Bioware can do it for ME3.
Broken Steel not only changed the ending, but opened up the world and added more content. Not the same thing as "just an ending". I'm not sure I'll pay for a few videos, a shepard voiceover and a slideshow.
I don't think people know exactly the amount of effort/resources for what they're asking for actually is. Sure, EA has a lot of money. But they produce lots of games besides Mass Effect. The suits may find more cost effective to crank out another FIFA game and forget about ME.
Thanks dude, you're totally driving home my point. Its more than just an ending. To do it right you would have to do a lot of tinkering and creating - maybe as much as a new game!
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Posté 20 mars 2012 - 08:45
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its not to much
if anything they can use something that was put into that final hours thing they just released
all they would have to do really is just polish it because i really dont think they threw out all ideas
because think
they would already have diolauge recorded ( so they wont need the cast back)
they probably shelfed alot of things
if anything they can use something that was put into that final hours thing they just released
all they would have to do really is just polish it because i really dont think they threw out all ideas
because think
they would already have diolauge recorded ( so they wont need the cast back)
they probably shelfed alot of things
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Posté 20 mars 2012 - 08:45
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catelee2u wrote...
I don't think anyone here can state what Bioware will or wont do. We don't have inside information.
Yeah, but we can discuss it.
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Posté 20 mars 2012 - 08:47
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Do you work for BioWare? No? Then you don't really know, do you? This entire topic is null and void. Good day.
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Posté 20 mars 2012 - 08:48
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RocketManSR2 wrote...
Do you work for BioWare? No? Then you don't really know, do you? This entire topic is null and void. Good day.
But we can discuss it. Sports journalism does it all the time.
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Posté 20 mars 2012 - 08:50
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Tazzmission wrote...
its not to much
if anything they can use something that was put into that final hours thing they just released
all they would have to do really is just polish it because i really dont think they threw out all ideas
because think
they would already have diolauge recorded ( so they wont need the cast back)
they probably shelfed alot of things
It's not too much? The fact that they were lazy with Tali's photo, ME2 crew, and other issues doesn't really give me much hope that they will put a great amount of effort into this. Plus, what about all the ME2 fans that want a more meaningful development for their relationships, will that be sidelined as well? Probably. I've been defending Bioware for the longest time, but I'm fed up with all this bull**** lately and I even like the ending... but if you've read the "Lies Bioware has fed up thread", that basically sums up why I can't defend them anymore.
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Posté 20 mars 2012 - 08:52
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I swear if the ending is not changed I will never ever buy one of their games again. Damn it, I hate Origin I only used it for DA2 because it was ten dollars at the time, and that's the only games i have on it. I know I'm only one person and I don't mean much to Bioware; however, I have a big mouth and I like to talk to strangers on the street.
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#68
Posté 20 mars 2012 - 08:54
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They can do a low budget Mass Effect movie in 3 years with an ending that doesn't resemble the old games. It's done with books all the time 
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Posté 20 mars 2012 - 08:55
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This crucially depends on how upset fans really are. As I understand it the Retake Mass Effect thingy is unprecedented but I really don't have the information to judge the matter but I'm sure people at Bioware do.No way are the corporate suits going to allow that expenditure
However, arguing that they won't make DLC because DLC is expensive is silly because it ignores PR entirely - I'm sure they'd rather make a profit on DLC but if people at EA thought it was necessary to have ending DLC to sell DA3 (handled incorrectly I could see Retake Mass Effect turning into Boycott Bioware) then that's what we would get.
Besides, there's all sorts of other stuff as well - Mass Effect comics, books, a movie, anime (?), possible MMO (???). All of that will have to be taken into consideration when deciding whether or not to make ending DLC, not just gross DLC sales.
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Posté 20 mars 2012 - 09:05
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The point I was trying to make is if one company can make a DLC that alters the ending of one game another company can do the same. Doesn't mean they will do it or they can't do it. It just means it's possible. I know that those of you who've commented on my previous post say it takes time and money, and I don't disagree with you there, I just want it known that Bioware can do this it's now a matter of coming down to will they do it. Nothing more.
I'm also not defending Bioware from this either. In fact I'm not even buying any DLC or new games from them that come out. What's the point if they are just going to lie to us anyways. We were promised 16 different endings and not just A, B, C and what did we get. We got A, B, and C endings all the same just different colors of the same thing and minor cutscene tweaks. So yeah... not defending in the slightest just making a point that the endings were not what we were promised and that one other company did it so can another.
I'm also not defending Bioware from this either. In fact I'm not even buying any DLC or new games from them that come out. What's the point if they are just going to lie to us anyways. We were promised 16 different endings and not just A, B, C and what did we get. We got A, B, and C endings all the same just different colors of the same thing and minor cutscene tweaks. So yeah... not defending in the slightest just making a point that the endings were not what we were promised and that one other company did it so can another.
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Posté 20 mars 2012 - 09:11
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They should just put a text that says at the end of the game:
"Shepard lives, he finds all the squadmates in the end. THE END"- Bioware
"Shepard lives, he finds all the squadmates in the end. THE END"- Bioware
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Posté 20 mars 2012 - 09:12
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BatmanPWNS wrote...
They should just put a text that says at the end of the game:
"Shepard lives, he finds all the squadmates in the end. THE END"- Bioware
While this is an improvement to "thx, buy more dlc, bye" this would solve nothing.
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Posté 20 mars 2012 - 09:14
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BatmanPWNS wrote...
They should just put a text that says at the end of the game:
"Shepard lives, he finds all the squadmates in the end. THE END"- Bioware
It would've brought more closure than what was there..........oh s***, did I just say that? Now I'm starting to catch whatever is going around...
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Posté 20 mars 2012 - 09:21
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Dariansarr wrote...
They will do something about the endings because they can make a but load of money with it,
i mean if gamers are willing to donate 65K to charity to change the ending, they can potentially make hundreds of thousands with DLC
Good point, and it's important to remember that ME1 and ME2 still sell copies, I think ME2 is around the 6.5m mark at this point. We aren't just talking about one piece of ending DLC here, we're talking about sales of an entire franchise and associated content for the next 5+? years. Plus Bioware's reputation, which I expect they personally feel is a major brand asset, previous to this debacle anyway.
It's a big financial calculation, and one at this point I find it hard for them to ignore (I mean look at EA stock since yesterday). Corporations are large lumbering beasts however and they won't come to a decision for at least a few weeks.
