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[gallenger]

Even if voicing was an issue they could just replay or rehash old dialogue since they already own that.

It's not that expensive to produce this stuff - some people have already made their own alternative endings on youtube - I'm sure it cost them millions.

[Squallypo]

Haron50 wrote...

Bioware no fix this DISASTER?

result:

FANS AND PLAYERS NEVER BUY MORE A GAME.

reminds me of a game that i played and beated recently 

[Squallypo]

gallenger wrote...

Even if voicing was an issue they could just replay or rehash old dialogue since they already own that.

It's not that expensive to produce this stuff - some people have already made their own alternative endings on youtube - I'm sure it cost them millions.

its not impossible to do or costly either, its more like a matter of Sucking up the provided ending and ADD i said add cause those endings can remain as the "bad endings" choices, the other endings that were suppose to be in the game which they arent.

[TLK Spires]

ragnorok87 wrote...


actually weither bioware cxreates a new ending or not, weither you pay for it or not, a can of worms has already been open. other companies will have seen how bad the ending for mass effect 3 and will want to replicate. also if any of them have seen any posts reguarding the me3 ending its too late they already have the idea. so bioware should do the ending reguardless and if i have to pay to get an awsome ending i shall gladly do so because mass effect is just that good (except the ending which sucks really REALLY bad) also wouldnt you want an ending that goes along with this
it is truly epic and nothing that sounds like that should end like mass effect 3 did. it is treason, heresy and a great crime against humanity!

perfect, we agree on the part of a can of worms already being opened. the part about mass effect being that good, yup, we still agree. the part about the ending sucking really really bad? oh yeah, we're on the same page. but right before that you said you'd pay to see the bad part fixed because the good part was so good. 

a good beginning leads to a good middle and finally a good end. that is what people pay for when they play a game, or read a book, or watch a movie, so on and so forth. i don't mean good as in happy, but as in substantial, believable, and most importantly, *possible* in the context of the presented universe in said medium. mass effect 3 had a great beginning, and a great middle. i, personally, don't even think it had an actual ending, but if it did, it was objectively bad. it was not substantial, nor believable, and it was flat out impossible. 

if you think about it, the best thing to do at the end was, in fact, nothing. since it's a spoiler free board, i won't get into that.

[ragnorok87]

android654 wrote...

I doubt they'll make an addendum to the ending and only that. The expected returns are not high enough to justify the cost to do it. Yes people here are vocal, and in other places, but a project like this, to begin unexpectedly and produce the product in a timely manner would be like producing a game itself. It's just not justifiable, so they wont do it. Make no mistake though, people complaining about the ending will purchase other dlc. It'll be for the same reason they weren't smart enough to wait for reviews before buying ME3, they'll buy anything with BW stamped on it.

the expected returns if they charge for it are MASSIVE PROFIT. if they charged a sum of 40 dollars which i have heard many say they would gladly pay for. they would make  a MASS PROFIT. not just in cash but also inrenewed fan loyalty and faith. they of course would have to make a good ending which at that price it probably would be amazing and everything we wanted. if bioware does not fix this they will lose millions of fans and many will not only boycott bioware but ea as well (tiberian twillight was horrible enough and theres another BAD ending) if this was just a crappy or mediocre game series that ended this way no one would care. sure dragon age was great too but it doesnt approach the epic scale of mass effect. this game me3 sold very close to a million copies in the first 24 hours. that should say something. mass effect 3 grows beyond a videogame. it is an epic grand story and a work of art. it is so many things beyond videogame. bioware has not just ruined a videogame they have ruined so mmuch more. indeed mass effect is so great it needs damands and deserves something better to end it. to not do so is a great crime against humanity. still think mass effect 3 doesnt need a new ending. well i was listening to this music from mass effect and then tho9ught of the terrible ending and just thought of the lost potential. i thought that it couold have been withought a doubt the best game of all time. but it was shot down and ruined in its final moments. if they ending was good it would definately be number 1 game of the year. regardless i listened to the music and got goosebumps when i thought of what the ending should have been like (not all are *happy endings and remeber mass effect is about making choices and more then that its about making a difference) then i balled my eyes out and cryed when i watched the ending and listened to the music at the same time. its so sad. bioware had the chance of a lifetime of making something that would be untouchable for many years and they failed EPIC FAIL. heres the music listen to this and watch the ending and try not to cry ( although watching the ending on its own made practically everyone cry in the first place)

[Artemis_Entrari]

I don't believe BioWare will "fix" the ending, but not due to monetary reasons. I simply believe they're convinced the ending is great as is, and see no reason to change or alter it. They'll give platitudes toward any disgruntled fan, but that's just smart PR. But when it comes to actually making any changes, they see their product as exactly how they envisioned it.

[android654]

ragnorok87 wrote...

android654 wrote...

I doubt they'll make an addendum to the ending and only that. The expected returns are not high enough to justify the cost to do it. Yes people here are vocal, and in other places, but a project like this, to begin unexpectedly and produce the product in a timely manner would be like producing a game itself. It's just not justifiable, so they wont do it. Make no mistake though, people complaining about the ending will purchase other dlc. It'll be for the same reason they weren't smart enough to wait for reviews before buying ME3, they'll buy anything with BW stamped on it.

the expected returns if they charge for it are MASSIVE PROFIT. if they charged a sum of 40 dollars which i have heard many say they would gladly pay for. they would make  a MASS PROFIT. not just in cash but also inrenewed fan loyalty and faith. they of course would have to make a good ending which at that price it probably would be amazing and everything we wanted. if bioware does not fix this they will lose millions of fans and many will not only boycott bioware but ea as well (tiberian twillight was horrible enough and theres another BAD ending) if this was just a crappy or mediocre game series that ended this way no one would care. sure dragon age was great too but it doesnt approach the epic scale of mass effect. this game me3 sold very close to a million copies in the first 24 hours. that should say something. mass effect 3 grows beyond a videogame. it is an epic grand story and a work of art. it is so many things beyond videogame. bioware has not just ruined a videogame they have ruined so mmuch more. indeed mass effect is so great it needs damands and deserves something better to end it. to not do so is a great crime against humanity. still think mass effect 3 doesnt need a new ending. well i was listening to this music from mass effect and then tho9ught of the terrible ending and just thought of the lost potential. i thought that it couold have been withought a doubt the best game of all time. but it was shot down and ruined in its final moments. if they ending was good it would definately be number 1 game of the year. regardless i listened to the music and got goosebumps when i thought of what the ending should have been like (not all are *happy endings and remeber mass effect is about making choices and more then that its about making a difference) then i balled my eyes out and cryed when i watched the ending and listened to the music at the same time. its so sad. bioware had the chance of a lifetime of making something that would be untouchable for many years and they failed EPIC FAIL. heres the music listen to this and watch the ending and try not to cry ( although watching the ending on its own made practically everyone cry in the first place)

Have to disagree. Outside of the hardcore fanbase, I see next to no one purchasing an ending DLC for a game they already forgot about.

[Siegdrifa]

Sorry OP, but if DLC like this wasn't worth is for a 5 years old franchise that sold comics, books, toys, what could ?
Bethesda adimited that the agressive politics on DLC for Fallout3 paid off, i think ME have a bigger impact.
So if it can't be done for ME3, it would be impossible for most of the market.

Also, if Bioware think the loss of fan base would be numerous enough to reduce their planed support on new product, investing in a ME3 ending add on could secure future investement.
Keeping fan base (potential market) as least as big as before the release is realy important.

[Rickin10]

They could use the money they made from the fake dlc to redeem themselves.

[Siegdrifa]

Artemis_Entrari wrote...

I don't believe BioWare will "fix" the ending, but not due to monetary reasons. I simply believe they're convinced the ending is great as is, and see no reason to change or alter it. They'll give platitudes toward any disgruntled fan, but that's just smart PR. But when it comes to actually making any changes, they see their product as exactly how they envisioned it.

The problem is their vision alone doesn't count, those who hold the cards are EA stockholder.

As long as Bioware make money and make stockholder wallet bigger, it's fine, they can do as they please.

Bioware have nothing to fear if this sh*tstorm is only talks, if it isn't, the higher up will step it and ask Bioware to make a product more in line with what the customer buy in high number.
The stockholder don't care about arts or game, it's a market to make more money, nothing else, nothing personnal, everything professional.

[Avalon Aurora]

I think they'll lose more money from people no longer trusting their products in the long run if they don't do a comprehensive fix. Too many people were justifiably upset, and for me it is basically the straw breaking the camel's back after numerous other issues with Bioware and EA. The forced Cerberus in ME2, the fact that they still haven't finished patching out all the bugs from NWN2, and the game was seriously rushed out with all sorts of issues, and the somewhat questionable 2nd expansion, (even if the first expansion was awesome and helped somewhat redeem the OC). The day 1 DLC, multi-player eating your credits and bioware points and not having a system in place to restore this to you, false claims about what the game would be like that we weren't warned had changed before release, and they are still acting like they are true, when it is lies or at best delusions of Bioware, the wonky and forced Origin service, massive download and install issues for many people, game not working for many others despite meeting claimed system requirements, large host of bugs and issues on release (many of which are too obvious and repeatable to have been missed in play-testing, indicating a rushed release), and various patently false claims that those complaining are a 'vocal minority' instead of the clear majority according to all polls, and in such massive numbers that they couldn't be anything but. The issue with the lost packs and bioware points in MP is actually illegal, they are legally required to either restore those items/points, or to reimburse people, as they are not giving what was paid for, you know, theft, and they don't seem to be taking the issue particularly seriously, instead giving people the runaround, and recently claiming the problem was fixed when it wasn't, plus they hadn't returned the lost goods or the lost money or points. There have also been rumors of locking or deleting some threads that criticize them and get more popular, although I haven't seen this, the fact that people are concerned about this possibility just shows how much trust for Bioware and EA has fallen.

People won't buy later games or DLC if they don't believe they can get the advertised products, or quality products they'll be engaged by. They'll find other places to spend their money, other gaming companies, and such, or even go to other mediums for entertainment, like tabletop roleplaying, reading books, watching movies, TV shows, anime/manga, comic books, board games, card games, Trading Card Games, whatever it takes to entertain themselves, but it will be money not spent on future DLC or Bioware products.

I'm not saying the products won't sell at all, but unless they restore customer trust, the sales will be massively reduced.

[Squallypo]

check this out 

[Aloren]

Mutineer81 wrote...

Faust1979 wrote...

just because a lot of people say they will buy it doesn't actually make it so

I couldn't agree more.

I think it is sort of like "economy of scale." If you make a longer game that costs $60 it is more cost effective/profitable than trying to REALLY do a good, but much shorter, DLC for $10.

hmmm... no, I think it's not. If it were more profitable to release new $60 games, they would release new $60 games and not DLCs.

Plus I'm pretty sure an ending DLC wouldn't be that expensive to produce... I mean, they managed to make 2 quality DLCs with a lot of fan input for DA2, and the lifetime sales of the game were not even a half of what ME3 sold in the first week. Maybe they'll heavily modify a planned dlc to integrate the ending thing, but I see no reason to believe they can't/won't do it.

And really, they should...At the very least, it will help the Mass Effect franchise for future games, but I'm also pretty sure it will sell a lot. People buy DLCs anyway, what makes you think they won't buy a major DLC that everyone will talk about ? This will probably get more free advertising than any dlc released before...

Modifié par Aloren, 21 mars 2012 - 01:24 .

[USS Cushing]

First off I want some of you to read this I think you will find it helpful

SkaldFish wrote...

I've also posted this to the ME3 ending "megathread" as well as making it available as a blog post here.

Just a few words of encouragement:

First: I think I may sometimes come across as some kind of know-it-all. The fact is I don't know very much about very much at all -- a fact that becomes clearer with each passing year. But, having been a practicing graphic artist, then working as a project manager, IT manager, programmer, software architect, and finally enterprise architect, over a 33-year career, I do think I understand corporations, and especially software product companies. So what I'm about to say isn't a posterior pull.

I see quite a few posts since yesterday from people who are either discouraged by the silence or are concluding "It's over" or some similar sentiment. In response, I'd like to make a few points that I hope will provide insight that encourages continued patience and resolve.

My disclaimer? Simple, in spite of long-term exposure to lots of corporate cultures, I could easily be wrong. The decision could already be made, and all that's left is a date to trigger an announcement. But it's opinion informed by experience. It's somewhere above a wild-ass guess and somewhere below insider information. So, for what it's worth:



This will take time. It just will. Never forget that. I'm not the first to say that, but it bears repeating. Nothing happens quickly in a corporate environment. Nothing. This is especially true in an acquired business unit of a larger corporation. It's likely that there are "urgent" meetings regarding the ME3 ending whose reminders haven't even come up on calendars yet. We like to think we must be the only thing on BioWare executives' minds right now, but that's just not going to be the case.


A company is not a hive mind. While this isn't the only issue on the executives' plates, some key decision makers and other key players at BioWare have not been able to think of anything BUT this issue since customers began to finish the game and discuss their experiences. That focus does not mean they are able to take any official action or make any statement, even if they personally feel they know what course should be taken. Escalation processes, market analysis timetables, change management procedures, and communication approval protocols are just a few of the hurdles that have to be crossed before any message can go out. Even if key decision makers have already reached a consensus (which is doubtful), they can't just pick a person to fire up a laptop and push out an email. It's also likely that there are internal power structures on both sides of this issue. The apple cart will have been upset, and some may be fighting to retain or gain credibility that earns them the right to be heard within the corporate culture.


This is serious. There can be little doubt that BioWare, as they have said, are taking this seriously. If they had foreseen the possibility of this level of negative reaction, they would have prepared statements designed to close the door quickly, and these would have been issued immediately. (Microsoft, for example, folllows this approach whenever they plan to announce discontinuation of a product, and they execute the plan with precision.) Instead, the first official statement from BioWare didn't appear for days, and both it and subsequent statements -- even firefighting statements like the Facebook statement -- have been careful to leave options open. This is the behavior of a company that was blindsided to some degree and is very carefully weighing its options. This takes time (but not months of time), because...


This is all about impact analysis. They're not weighing all the details of all the possible actions they could take. That would require many weeks of detailed analysis. They're weighing the impact of a small set of broadly framed approaches, like "continue with original post-release plan," looking at short- and long-term revenue impact, brand impact, and impact on their core demographics, across all their sales channels. While this doesn't take months, it brings together decision makers from multiple departments and involves unplanned expenditures from multiple cost centers. Issues surrounding that kind of collision of varying perspectives, goals, and budgets is not something that gets resolved quickly or in a single meeting.


Silence is a good thing. The fact that we hear very little outside of approved channels, and misstatements are VERY quickly corrected, is a very strong indication that this is now designated a corporate-level public relations issue. Depending on BioWare's corporate culture, there have been company-wide team/department/business unit meetings, or perhaps minimally internal memos, detailing very clear and enforceable restrictions on employee communication on this subject outside the company until a decision has been made.


None of this is personal. While I'm sure there are employees at BioWare who are angry or frustrated or feel insulted or disappointed or sad (and we've seen evidence of that on Twitter), that will never cross the corporate barrier, and I can assure you that no publicly-held corporation that wants to survive will ever make decisions based on personal feelings. The decision we hear will be based solely on factors related to revenue, market demographics, and public relations. The good news there is that all three of those factors are inextricably tied to us as consumers, and that's the main thing I urge you to remember.




Don't be discouraged. Don't fall silent. Don't let the natural tendency towards cynicism lure you into fatalism.

Even when the first response comes, don't let it be an "off" switch. Compare it with what we're asking for. If there are gaps, say "what about [these things]?" It's not over until each one of us decides s/he is satisfied with the result.

Hold the line!

[MegaBadExample]

They're not getting anymore gold from me, until they sort it out.

I'm not demanding they fix it. They can do whatever the hell they want, and so can I.

[CHALET]

See; Fallout 3 Broken Steel.

[ragnorok87]

i will definately hold the line. i will never give up the fight. did the allies give up the fight against hitler and the ****s.... NO THEY DID NOT THEY HELD THE LINE. i will also hold the line against this crime against humanity until it has been righted. dont let the gaming ****s (ea and possibloy bioware) get away with this.

[gabewpashere]

We arent asking for them to shed it out in the next few days... we want an ending... whether it takes weeks or even months. People who want the ending will have no problem waiting. We just want an answer... for an ending...Hold the Line...

[ragnorok87]

listen to this video at exactly 1 minute and 15 seconds.

we will never surrender! hold the line!

[USS Cushing]

I look at it this way this is going to be a long campaign and every so often we will all feel disheartned by the slow process that seems to be going on but having fellow HTL such as yourselves to pick a fellow gamer up, dust them off, and an give an encouragement to does this cause a world of good since it might be you who will need the pick me up next

HOLD THE LINE!

[Squallypo]

we will hold the line and we will obtain results that will make us feel much better youll see everyone !

[Halfdan The Menace]

I want a DLC about the jungle planet in the ending. Or DLC about the ending involving the Raloi.