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[Mutineer81]

Arkitekt wrote...

LadyAly wrote...

If the Indoctrination theory is right - and it was already planned - why should money be an issue ?

Because the theory is wrong.

I think the indoctrination theory is interesting, but way too convulted to be true. But again, it is an interesting idea. In a way, I wish Bioware was that clever...albeit insidious.

Modifié par Mutineer81, 21 mars 2012 - 01:02 .

[Icinix]

It doesn't need fixing...

..it just needs to be unlocked

[AdrenaLiNv1]

After they screwed up with DA2, to be honest I kind of expected this. The game was great and all but the ending ruined everything, because in the end nothing mattered of what we've accomplished in ME1 and ME2. At this point the coming DA3 will be the same I presume.

[Rrezz]

Salis777 wrote...

Rrezz wrote...

CBKeffer wrote...

Rrezz wrote...

there's no reason to change the ending, its fine the way it is. just because a couple of dense high schoolers don't like it doesn't mean it has to change

Um, you are aware that in every poll posted thus far (not just on here, but FB and other media outlets) the stats have shown more like 96-98% are dissatisfied with the endings, right? No matter how you slice it, that's more than just "a couple of dense high schoolers".

probably because 100% of those idiots are high schoolers. all us adults have much better **** to do than spend all day on facebook answering pointless surveys

Like discuss pointless surveys?

oh I dont know, like that one Survey to have to see how many people they want to change the end of Mass Effect. the one every high schooler and his 2 friends are doing

[Arkitekt]

Mutineer81 wrote...

Arkitekt wrote...

LadyAly wrote...

If the Indoctrination theory is right - and it was already planned - why should money be an issue ?

Because the theory is wrong.

I think the indoctrination theory is interesting, but way too convulted to be true. But again, it is an interesting idea. In a way, I wish Bioware was that clever...albeit insidious.

No matter how "interesting" a theory might be, if it is clearly false, then why cling to it?

[Rob Sabbaggio]

For me, its a relatively simple calculation. For ME1 and ME2 I bought the game new at launch, and bought all the DLC bar Pinnacle station and the appearance packs. For Mass Effect 2 I spent as much on the DLC as I did on the main game.

I bought ME3 day 1, but as it stands I wont be buying any DLC. I dont know how many other people are planning similarly, but I suspect enough to make a significant dent in their profits.

Taking DA2 as an example, the DLC released for that was improved on the main game, but the relatively poor reception of the main game meant that DLC sales were low, low enough for the third DLC to be cancelled. If DA2 DLC had sold like hotcakes, then the Exalted Marches wouldnt have been canned, I'm sure of it. I reckon something similar will happen here, unless there is some damage control.

People complained about Dragon Age 2 endings, but at least that made sense and you got some epilogue explaining a bit about what happened after to the main character. ME3's endings from what I have seen are far worse. I was burnt once by the new Battlestar Galactica, where the hard sci-fi I originally enjoyed was tossed aside at the end in favour of a (deep breath) "all last remaining humans in galaxy decide to embark on a suicide mission to rescue one half-human child for some reason, said mission is then saved when a resurrected angel types in coordinates at random for the promised land whereupon humanity decides to throw away all technology in a great leap backwards which would last until someone needed an operation." Not again.

I'm not even sure I can be bothered to finish ME3. I played around 9 hours and loved it before I had the endings spoiled. Now, knowing as I do that I cant affect the endings and that there is no chance of either a happy ending or any logical closure, I havent played it in a week.

[Mutineer81]

Arkitekt wrote...

Mutineer81 wrote...

Arkitekt wrote...

LadyAly wrote...

If the Indoctrination theory is right - and it was already planned - why should money be an issue ?

Because the theory is wrong.

I think the indoctrination theory is interesting, but way too convulted to be true. But again, it is an interesting idea. In a way, I wish Bioware was that clever...albeit insidious.

No matter how "interesting" a theory might be, if it is clearly false, then why cling to it?

Yup, I agree.

[Icinix]

Mutineer81 wrote...

Arkitekt wrote...

Mutineer81 wrote...

Arkitekt wrote...

LadyAly wrote...

If the Indoctrination theory is right - and it was already planned - why should money be an issue ?

Because the theory is wrong.

I think the indoctrination theory is interesting, but way too convulted to be true. But again, it is an interesting idea. In a way, I wish Bioware was that clever...albeit insidious.

No matter how "interesting" a theory might be, if it is clearly false, then why cling to it?

Yup, I agree.

Because thats the point of the theory.

The whole theory is based on the idea or concept that we're being led down a path against our better judgement.

We're yet to see that it is clearly false - we're also yet to see that its clearly not.

Its an issue of hope or choice. You choose to accept it is what it is and move on. Or you hope that its not.

[Getorex]

Northernian wrote...

Unless they develop a large expansion pack fixing all those plotholes, I'm done with Mass Effect.
Yesterday I began a new playthrough in ME1. It really left a sour taste in my mouth knowing that what I'm doing is worthless. And I'm really not interested in bang bang, pow pow...

So @ OP, yes this isn't a situation could be fixed with a simple DLC. The whole game was unsatisfactory for me, mostly because they substantially downplayed Reapers, potentially one of the most awe-inspiring villain forces in whole Sci-fi literature. They didn't remain true to that amazing Lovercraftian storyline they began in the beginning. Or they merely lacked imagination in the end, and built a sloppy ending...

Ah, you are mistaken!  The Reapers aren't the most awe-inspiring villians, it is that damn meddling starchild creep. 

I need more than plot holes fixed.  Some of it needs complete DO-OVER.  The Normandy running away and crashlanding on that planet...grim beyond description.  Stargazer and that kid he was telling stories to?  Both the result of generation after generation after generation of incest.  The planet is now called Incestus to describe the fate of the original crew's babies they obviously had. 

NOT blowing up the relays is the best option.  Deactivate them, don't blow them.  Deactivated, one could imagine that they could be studied and either repaired and restarted OR new ones built based on the old, now fried, design.  Might take a while but it certainly isn't hopeless.  It means that maybe if the Normandy and crew just absolutely HAD to abandon Shepard at Earth that they could see a reactivated relay and rescue sooner rather than in the far future where everyone on planet Incestus is doing nothing but strumming banjos on delapidated porches.

[mr_luga]

Funkcase wrote...

not doing it could cost them more in the future.

No it woudnt  Fans are easily suckered into buying things, they would at most, feel a small dent

[Getorex]

Mutineer81 wrote...

Arkitekt wrote...

Mutineer81 wrote...

Arkitekt wrote...

LadyAly wrote...

If the Indoctrination theory is right - and it was already planned - why should money be an issue ?

Because the theory is wrong.

I think the indoctrination theory is interesting, but way too convulted to be true. But again, it is an interesting idea. In a way, I wish Bioware was that clever...albeit insidious.

No matter how "interesting" a theory might be, if it is clearly false, then why cling to it?

Yup, I agree.

Personally, I don't like the theory - it is simply a desperate means of pulling reason out of chaos.  That said, it is the EASIEST and CHEAPEST way that Bioware could add corrected endings without having to do a complete do-over of the ending, burn that to disk or for release...though a game update would be simple enough for all digital versions.  Just update and find a completely different ending...but I digress.  They could leave all as it is now but add ending material by using the created-from-whole-cloth idea of indoctrination.  Easy (ish).

[THEPOPE1001]

so has bioware said anything about giving us closur with a dlc in teh near future?

[Super.Sid]

Making a new ending is a win-win situation for both sides.

Fans go home happy and retain their trust in Bioware.
Bioware sells the DLC and it gets sold in a huge quantity raising their sales and they win back their fan base

Modifié par Super.Sid, 21 mars 2012 - 01:42 .

[manbot69]

Hell if they wanna do them cheap they can keep the endings and just remove the normandy scene and add a few epilogue scenes. Would adding a refuse option with another ending really cost that much? I would prefer a new ending with magic space god kid removed but honestly at this point I will take any change that removes the normandy scene and makes some bloody sense. Making a brand new ending will surely cost a bit however Bioware is kinda in a lose/lose situation now. If they don't do anything with the ending they are putting a significant dent into future DLC sales. Not to mention any other ME related products that angry customers will refuse to buy.

Gotta spend money to make money right~

[Mutineer81]

mr_luga wrote...

Funkcase wrote...

not doing it could cost them more in the future.

No it woudnt  Fans are easily suckered into buying things, they would at most, feel a small dent

Its sad but true, I think no matter what DLC they put out (whether it addresses the ending or not) a lot of people are going to buy it; maybe not as many people as would have if the ending was proper. But yeah, people will buy it regardless. To be honest, I would because I love the series so much.

[Getorex]

Mutineer81 wrote...

mr_luga wrote...

Funkcase wrote...

not doing it could cost them more in the future.

No it woudnt  Fans are easily suckered into buying things, they would at most, feel a small dent

Its sad but true, I think no matter what DLC they put out (whether it addresses the ending or not) a lot of people are going to buy it; maybe not as many people as would have if the ending was proper. But yeah, people will buy it regardless. To be honest, I would because I love the series so much.

Even now?  With its heart and soul sucked out?  Did you play to the VERY end or did you do what I recommended to my sister and father and stop ME3 just before jumping into the beam?  If only I could unknow what I already know...

[Mutineer81]

Getorex wrote...

Mutineer81 wrote...

mr_luga wrote...

Funkcase wrote...

not doing it could cost them more in the future.

No it woudnt  Fans are easily suckered into buying things, they would at most, feel a small dent

Its sad but true, I think no matter what DLC they put out (whether it addresses the ending or not) a lot of people are going to buy it; maybe not as many people as would have if the ending was proper. But yeah, people will buy it regardless. To be honest, I would because I love the series so much.

Even now?  With its heart and soul sucked out?  Did you play to the VERY end or did you do what I recommended to my sister and father and stop ME3 just before jumping into the beam?  If only I could unknow what I already know...

I played it to the very end three times; three different ME2 uploads and did all three "endings" to ME3.

[o Ventus]

1 word: Bethesda

Not only did they change Fallout 3's ending, but they added in 3-5 hours of MORE game content.

[Mutineer81]

o Ventus wrote...

1 word: Bethesda

Not only did they change Fallout 3's ending, but they added in 3-5 hours of MORE game content.

I think BioWare would have to exceed that ten-fold.

[Mutineer81]

Aquilas wrote...

As others have noted, BioWare just cancelled an expansion to DA2 and could devote those resources to an ME3 fix at the expansion pack level. I support that plan, but it's highly unlikely; BioWare already needs to fix the DA franchise. It's a matter of priorities. We'll see.

It makes you wonder how/where BioWare lost their way....

[AlanC9]

Getorex wrote...
NOT blowing up the relays is the best option.  Deactivate them, don't blow them.  Deactivated, one could imagine that they could be studied and either repaired and restarted OR new ones built based on the old, now fried, design.  Might take a while but it certainly isn't hopeless.  It means that maybe if the Normandy and crew just absolutely HAD to abandon Shepard at Earth that they could see a reactivated relay and rescue sooner rather than in the far future where everyone on planet Incestus is doing nothing but strumming banjos on delapidated porches.

This is just silly. Interstellar travel still works without the relays. And since the Normandy didn't use a relay in the end sequence it can't be that far away from Earth. Which means that the planet it crashed on is certainly colonized anyway.

[Wolf]

Give this a read OP.

Link:http://blog.bioware....012/03/21/4108/

Modifié par Gaiden96, 21 mars 2012 - 05:02 .

[Mutineer81]

Aradace wrote...

chris fenton wrote...

Funkcase wrote...

not doing it could cost them more in the future.

QFT

Not to mention that the only way I'd be interested is if it were free.  I dont care if it costs them half or more of their assets to remake the ending (obvious exaggeration I know).  They only way I will download it is if there is if there is absolutely no cost.  

I have no doubt that the corrective DLC will not be free. And honestly, I think it will be more than $10. 

[BearThug71]

Why is this thread still open? This morning Ray Muzycka said that Bioware WILL create a new ending for Mass Effect 3.

[Teddie Sage]

Excuse me? Cost too much? Are you out of your mind? They're freaking rich! O_o