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[bleachorange]

Artemis_Entrari wrote...
Can you open up a single thread without someone on the "positivity" side calling people whiners or entitled or babies?

Only the ones yet to be made.

[foo man chew]

Launcifer wrote...

foo man chew wrote...

Probably until bioware answers people.Why have spoilers section if you cant announce stuff about the ending until people are done playing it.It sounds to me that bioware is dragging this on more than the fans.Just my opinion

Thing is, though, that I really can respect the fact that Bioware doesn't want to wade in and start saying, "this is what we were aiming for" or "this is what we believe we achieved with this ending", in part because certain sections of the fanbase are going to take it as a mea culpa that the company screwed up even if it's not actually the case and also because there's the simple fact that spilling the beans on the ending will probably damage profits precisely because it spoils the endings - like 'em or not - for people who have yet to play the game. This whole business has probably done enough of that already: the company won't willingly do it into the bargain and compound that problem.

Yeah i get that but if you go into the spoilers section you know your going to find out about the end of the game.So if people dont want to get the ending spoiled dont go in the spoiler section its common sence.So why punish fans that want to know answers thats why they have a spoiler forum.It just seems to me like their buying time while the community fights when they could actually just end this by answering the question in the forum made specifically for stuff like that.

[bleachorange]

Divide and Conquer is a simple tactic.

[Kilshrek]

How I showed my displeasure with DA 2, I didn't buy any of their DLC.

If anyone thinks this will blow over easily I think you'll find it to be very different, for a variety of reasons. Not least of which because 5 years were wasted by 5 minutes.

[bleachorange]

I call it the FIVE MINUTE FARCE, myself.

[Nicky 192]

it wont go away even if they don't fix this mess people will remember. When Dragon Age 3 Comes around people will be more wary.

[bleachorange]

Nicky 192 wrote...

it wont go away even if they don't fix this mess people will remember. When Dragon Age 3 Comes around people will be more wary.

WE HAVE A WINNER!!!

[Faust1979]

Kilshrek wrote...

How I showed my displeasure with DA 2, I didn't buy any of their DLC.

If anyone thinks this will blow over easily I think you'll find it to be very different, for a variety of reasons. Not least of which because 5 years were wasted by 5 minutes.

why shouldn't it? it's just an ending there is no reason why anyone should get bent over shape about it something, lots ot things have dissapointing endings, some people will find reasons to like them, some will hate it just move on in the end, the way this game ends will really have little impact on your life people need to stop making it personal

[AtreiyaN7]

Artemis_Entrari wrote...

I don't like the ending.  I hate the ending.  I think it was lazy work on BioWare's behalf.  Worse, I think they mislead people with their pre-release advertising about choice.  But if someone disagrees with my opinion and states their point in a concise and indepth way, I'll read it.  I may not agree with it, but I'll respect the view and respond in kind.

The problem is, when you start labeling anyone who didn't like the ending as "whiners" or "entitled" or any other such insult, and don't really bring a cohesive argument to the table other than to post one line insults, you get threads that turn into flame wars.

And yes, this applies to both sides.

Can you open up a single thread without someone on the "positivity" side calling people whiners or entitled or babies?  So please don't make it sound like the only people who are "trolling threads" are those who are upset with the ending, and that all those who like the ending are civil and respectful toward those with dissenting opinions.

And I never said there weren't - in fact, I've previously pointed out in several threads that people on both sides engage in bad behavior. I've even called people on my side out on it and said that calling people who don't like the endings entitled does no good for anyone. However, I'd say that based on the many, many threads I've gone through ever since finishing the game, that it certainly appears as if the majority of the insults and poor behavior to be coming from your end.

I've certainly had plenty of perfectly civil discussions with people who dislike the endings and even previously voiced support for the idea of alternative endings (once upon a time when I believed people were behaving reasonably maturely on the whole). There were two-three threads yesterday alone devoted strictly to analyzing how people who liked the endings could possbily like them, and each one involved making certain insulting suppositions and claims about us.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 21 mars 2012 - 01:10 .

[Volus Warlord]

I think the DA2 comparison is a bit extreme. I mean:

ME3: Fail ending, bits and pieces of halfassery here and there

DA2: Failure throughout, downright shameful in nearly every capacity

ME3 is not another DA2. It's waayy better then DA2 was.

[Bawseee]

Not for a very very long time. Loyal followers of this franchise will continue to be upset. Just look at what happened with KOTOR 2, people weren't too happy with all the cut content, so they continued to mod the game to re-add it all nearly 10 years after release.

[bleachorange]

Ahhhh. IGNORE THE TROLL.

classic, but effective. Still, why not read my first constructive comments? Then I would not be reduced to this sad state of trolliness.

[Salis777]

Volus Warlord wrote...

I think the DA2 comparison is a bit extreme. I mean:

ME3: Fail ending, bits and pieces of halfassery here and there

DA2: Failure throughout, downright shameful in nearly every capacity

ME3 is not another DA2. It's waayy better then DA2 was.

Yeah, fixing DA2 would have been a complete re-write, fixing ME3 is minor really.  That's the stinger in all of this.

[Launcifer]

@ Foo Man Chew:

I can appreciate that, but I don't really see how the company can simply pop something up in the spoiler section and leave it at that. The company would need to make the response very public, if only to reach the people who played the game, want clarification and don't have a forum account or have an account and don't participate. I certainly know I didn't post here until I finished the game and started trying to fathom precisely what it was about it I didn't like when I thought about it for a while. If anyone at Bioware wished to clarify things - and I doubt that's the case right now - then it would need to reach as many people as possible, all at once. That's also ignoring the simple fact that the customer response to any statement could (I'm vaguely hoping it isn't a "will" yet, though I fear the worst) get rather... harsh - one way or the other.

Now, I'm not saying there's not a way to do it without royally spilling the beans for people who don't want to know yet, but it would be a departure from the current tactics of waiting for it all to die down and/or waiting for more people to buy the game. If I'm honest, I don't think there will ever be a concrete response, just so as many avenues as possible are left open for if or when they make another game set in the ME universe.

[ragnorok87]

Faust1979 wrote...

Kilshrek wrote...

How I showed my displeasure with DA 2, I didn't buy any of their DLC.

If anyone thinks this will blow over easily I think you'll find it to be very different, for a variety of reasons. Not least of which because 5 years were wasted by 5 minutes.

why shouldn't it? it's just an ending there is no reason why anyone should get bent over shape about it something, lots ot things have dissapointing endings, some people will find reasons to like them, some will hate it just move on in the end, the way this game ends will really have little impact on your life people need to stop making it personal

if mass effect did not impact your life then you are not a true fan. i should think that by the reactions of the VAST MAJORITY of ppl who played mass effect series would tell you that mass effect has indeed impacted their lifes to a great deal. i have never seen such anger towards any game like this before. thats because mass effect is way boyond a videogame. it is one of the greatest most epic stories ever and a masterful work of art (except the ending of course) when something makes you cry as in a story or something like that it is IMPACTING YOU. you clearly had no connection with the characters like the vast majority of players did and yo9u were obviously not caring about the story at all.

[bleachorange]

Being ignored online makes it seem like we aren't even in the same room together...:crying:

[ragnorok87]

i have also heard someone saying they would kill themselves if bioware does not fix the ending and that this is truly how it ends. when someone is willing to kill themselves faust it is IMPACTING THEIR LIVES A GREAT DEAL

[hex23]

Some of you don't seem to understand what's going on here.

Basically what you're asking is, "when will people stop complaining so much?". And that could be soon, or it could be a year from now. That's not even relevant to anything. You think if people stop complaining they'll magically forget all this?

Instead of asking when this will blow over, you need to ask what is the long term effects on Bioware and it's "brand". And that will never "blow over", unless Bioware fixes this. And I'm not even sure how or if they can.

[The Executioner]

I'm trading my copy in on thursday for Dragons Dogma and washing my hands of ME3 .

[Gnaeus.Silvanus]

Go to the official Mass Effect Facebook page and bash them there, news media outfits watch that page.

[wildannie]

Volus Warlord wrote...

I think the DA2 comparison is a bit extreme. I mean:

ME3: Fail ending, bits and pieces of halfassery here and there

DA2: Failure throughout, downright shameful in nearly every capacity

ME3 is not another DA2. It's waayy better then DA2 was.

My expectations were higher for ME3 as it was a direct continuation of Shepards story and the culmination of 3 games.  DA2 was flawed but I had some fun with it... ME3 makes me feel a bit sick .

I will probably check out DA3 (unless its an mmo) I am unlikely to EVER go invest in anything else Mass Effect related, my trust in the team and interest in what they might produce is extremely low.

[Tirigon]

bleachorange wrote...


Unless you use your brain and read this. I also have a nice blog about it, if you're interested.

:wizard:Spaaaace MAGIC!!!

The problem is that even if you see the ending as a way of bioWare to intentionally screw with their customers, that doesnt make it worse. We have a word for such actions. It's Fraud.