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[Metalrocks]

i dont think this will go away that easily. the outrage is too big and has an affect on the customers. im also not touching any other games from bioware or any anything with an €A logo on it until this matter has been resolved.
no way they are getting away with this.

[Salis777]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Salis777 wrote...


Sorry no, you have an ABC option which can lead to 1, 2, 3 repercussions depending on other factors.  It's still A B C.  I don't think you'd get that past any logical breakdown.

Ending 1: I have 1000 EMS, I get to the end and have one option available to me. ABC? No.
Ending 2: I have 2000 EMS, I get to the end and have two options available to me. ABC? No.
Ending 3: I have 3000 EMS. I get to the end and have three options available to me. ABC? Yes.
Ending 4: I have 4000 EMS. I get to the end and have three options available to me, even though the third option is different from any of the other endings. ABC? I'd say... half. 

Not to mention, the simple fact is that the entire game is an ending to events that started in ME1, are those all ABC options as well? Do those count in the ending? Should they? 

Again, hype, yes. Lie, no. Unless you can prove that Casey Hudson was talking specifically about this part of the ending, with 3000 EMS, and only 3000 EMS... it's not a lie.

Fair enough, class-A bull**** from them.

Modifié par Salis777, 21 mars 2012 - 03:17 .

[I can Hackett]

and the asterisks start flying

[Vincent Rosevalliant]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

kbct wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

You weren't lied to! Everything they said, they believed. Just because you had one expectation and reality was different, doesn't mean they lied. Not to mention that ad-speak is, quite simply, not lying.

Are there multiple endings? Yes? Even if they aren't up to YOUR standard? Not a lie.

Do your choices matter? Yes? Even if they aren't up to YOUR standard? Not a lie.

These aren't lies. They just aren't.

This is what he is talking about:

Official Mass Effect Website
http://masseffect.com/about/story/
“Experience the beginning, middle, and end of an emotional story unlike any
other, where the decisions you make completely shape your experience
and outcome.”
Interview with Mac Walters (Lead Writer)
http://popwatch.ew.c...-3-mac-walters/
“[The presence of the Rachni] has huge consequences in Mass
Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers.”
Interview with Mac Walters (Lead Writer)
http://business.fina...-all-audiences/
“I’m always leery of saying there are 'optimal' endings, because I think
one of the things we do try to do is make different endings that are
optimal for different people “
Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.computera...missing-in-me2/
“And, to be honest, you [the fans] are crafting your Mass Effect story as
much as we are anyway.”
Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.360magazi...ferent-endings/
“There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How
could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and
then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can’t
say any more than that…”
Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.eurogamer...me-people-angry
“Every decision you've made will impact how things go. The player's also the
architect of what happens."
“You'll get answers to everything. That was one of the key things. Regardless
of how we did everything, we had to say, yes, we're going to provide
some answers to these people.”
“Because a lot of these plot threads are concluding and because it's being
brought to a finale, since you were a part of architecting how they
got to how they were, you will definitely sense how they close was
because of the decisions you made and because of the decisions you
didn't make”
Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.gameinfor...s-effect-3.aspx
“For people who are invested in these characters and the back-story of the
universe and everything, all of these things come to a resolution in
Mass Effect 3. And they are resolved in a way that's very different
based on what you would do in those situations.”
Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://venturebeat.c...fans-interview/
“Fans want to make sure that they see things resolved, they want to get
some closure, a great ending. I think they’re going to get that.”
“Mass Effect 3 is all about answering all the biggest questions in the
lore, learning about the mysteries and the Protheans and the Reapers,
being able to decide for yourself how all of these things come to an
end.”
Interviewer: “So are you guys the creators or the stewards of the franchise?”
Hudson: “Um… You know, at this point, I think we’re co-creators with
the fans. We use a lot of feedback.”
Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.gameinfor...PostPageIndex=2
Interviewer: [Regarding the numerous possible endings of Mass Effect 2] “Is that
same type of complexity built into the ending of Mass Effect 3?”
Hudson: “Yeah, and I’d say much more so, because we have the ability to
build the endings out in a way that we don’t have to worry about
eventually tying them back together somewhere. This story arc is
coming to an end with this game. That means the endings can be a lot
more different. At this point we’re taking into account so many
decisions that you’ve made as a player and reflecting a lot of that
stuff. It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings,
where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got
ending A, B, or C.....The endings have a lot more sophistication and
variety in them.”
“We have a rule in our franchise that there is no canon. You as a player
decide what your story is.”

EDIT: Couple more interesting quotes I found, enjoy......or not.

Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.nowgamer....in_bioware.html
Mass Effect 3 will shake up the player's moral choices more than ever
before, even going so far as allowing the Reapers to win the battle
for Earth, according to BioWare's community representative Mike
Gamble.

In an inteview with NowGamer at Gamescom, we asked if BioWare was taking risks with Mass Effect 3's
plot,
including a negative ending in which the Reapers win. Gamble simply
said, "Yes". We asked him again to confirm what he had just said and he
said, "Yes".

Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.nowgamer....ry_details.html

"Of course you don’t have to play multiplayer, you can choose to play
all the side-quests in single-player and do all that stuff you’ll
still get all the same endings and same information, it’s just a
totally different way of playing"

Casey Hudson (Director)
http://gamescatalyst...active-stories/
“The whole idea of Mass Effect3 is resolving all of the biggest questions, about the Protheons and
the Reapers, and being in the driver's seat to end the galaxy and all
of these big plot lines, to decide what civilizations are going to
live or die: All of these things are answered in Mass Effect 3.”
Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.computera...ly-good/?page=2
“There is a huge set of consequences that start stacking up as you approach the end-game. And
even in terms of the ending itself, it continues to break down to
some very large decisions. So it's not like a classic game ending
where everything is linear and you make a choice between a few things
- it really does layer in many, many different choices, up to the
final moments, where it's going to be different for everyone who
plays it.”

And the only things in there that could REMOTELY come close to being considered "lies" are the statement about the Rachni playing a part in the final battle, the Reapers win ending, and the Multiplayer ending. And of those three, only the Multiplayer ending quote is actually near enough the edge to really be considered.

Everything else is vague enough to satisfy even the most lenient of "is this a lie?" tests, or just flat out true. I'm sorry that you feel betrayed, I am, but these aren't lies.

Is it "overhype"? Depending on whether or not you were satisfied, sure. But "lies"? No. Not in any sort of definition.

Is that long list of obvious lies is not enough evidence for you? Really? So you filtered them to only 3.
Like 3 lies aren't enough........

@kbct  Nice list kbct

[Father_Jerusalem]

slyguy200 wrote...


i am not going to click those links and spend 20 mins reading them so i will just write up there^ 
i wrote next to the quotes you found and said if they were lies or not you will see them, only like 2 or 3 are true

No. You wrote your interpretation of whether they were lies or not based on your disappointment with the game. That does not mean that they are factual lies. I'm sorry that you were disappointed, I am. I swear to you that I wish everyone could love ME3 and be happy. But there is a difference because you being disappointed, and them lying.

The only one that I will agree with being a lie is the statement that you don't have to play MP to get the best ending, because it is FACTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE to get 4000 EMS through single player alone at this point in time. That's it.

[Father_Jerusalem]

Salis777 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Salis777 wrote...


Sorry no, you have an ABC option which can lead to 1, 2, 3 repercussions depending on other factors.  It's still A B C.  I don't think you'd get that past any logical breakdown.

Ending 1: I have 1000 EMS, I get to the end and have one option available to me. ABC? No.
Ending 2: I have 2000 EMS, I get to the end and have two options available to me. ABC? No.
Ending 3: I have 3000 EMS. I get to the end and have three options available to me. ABC? Yes.
Ending 4: I have 4000 EMS. I get to the end and have three options available to me, even though the third option is different from any of the other endings. ABC? I'd say... half. 

Not to mention, the simple fact is that the entire game is an ending to events that started in ME1, are those all ABC options as well? Do those count in the ending? Should they? 

Again, hype, yes. Lie, no. Unless you can prove that Casey Hudson was talking specifically about this part of the ending, with 3000 EMS, and only 3000 EMS... it's not a lie.

ABC OPTION at the END, thats his quote.  Not ABC endings, they said there were 16 and there sure where yay!  The ending is an ABC option, which is EXACTLY and SPECIFICALLY what he was referring to.

Again, are there 16 different endings? I don't know. I haven't counted. But every single ending that has something different happen, no matter how minor, is a different ending according to the letter of the law. They. Did. Not. Lie. They simply did not live up to your expecations.

[MegaBadExample]

Opsrbest wrote...

Why does everyone act like the story is 100000000000000000000000000% completed?

Does no one think that Bioware would be aware of how they ended the game and actually have plans for ME3?

You're right. They're gonna hand us out more DLC which is playable BEFORE the ending.

Seriously, the point remains. This was supposed to be THE ending. 100% completion. The big send off. We were supposed to get answers and closure to our stories. Bioware weren't supposed to leave us hanging with 'WHAT?' All the choices we've made along the way were supposed to matter. The player was supposed to get their pay-off. Instead, we got pick your favourite colour... red, blue or green?

[Father_Jerusalem]

slyguy200 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...

If that's the case, it sounds like your Shepard's story could've ended right in the middle of ME2 and you'd still be content.
Seriously, bro, I would've been happier if my Shepard's story ended in ME1. Now that I know what happens.

Seriously? ****ing seriously? I'm happy with the endings, so it's fine to slag me for it? I get called a noob, which I disprove, I get called a bioware plant, I get called an idiot, and now you're flat out calling me stupid because I liked ME3.

No wonder I hate your "movement". The condescenion and arrogance coming from you assclowns makes me want to vomit.

yet again, you bring it on yourself. with all the insults and hate and whatnot

I bring it on myself? For saying I LIKED THE ENDINGS? Show me. SHOW ME. Where I called anyone a name before being called an idiot for liking the ending. GO ON. SHOW ME.

I HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION THAN YOU. I LIKE THE ENDINGS. I POINT OUT THE DEVS DID NOT LIE. And you think that it's fine to call me names and accuse me of not being a true fan? ARE YOU KIDDING? 

I bring it on myself. No, you know, I do. By trying to share a different interpretation of events with complete and utter trolls, I guess I do.

[Salis777]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Again, are there 16 different endings? I don't know. I haven't counted. But every single ending that has something different happen, no matter how minor, is a different ending according to the letter of the law. They. Did. Not. Lie. They simply did not live up to your expecations.

No you're right, they said ABC 'ending.'  Very classy spin I guess heh.  And their problem isn't the law or legal repercussion it's getting slain by their customers.  And their over-hyped expectations, now they have to deal with that.

[HenchxNarf]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Love it.

LOVE IT.

First page and already being attacked and told that if you like the endings, you have to be an idiot. Oh man. That's just super.

If you don't LIKE the endings, that's fine. I'm not going to waste my time telling you you should, personal taste is personal taste, and it's different for everyone. Have fun hating something and living your life like that.

But if you sit there and say things like "these endings fail on every level" or "There's no objective way you can like these endings" or "these endings are full of massive plot holes", then quite frankly, I can do something about that. That I will argue against. Are the endings perfect? No, of course not. But are they the worst things since stabbed kittens? No, of course not.

Any time your side wants to start acting rational and have discussions over the issues you have so that we can see where both sides are coming from, great, hit me up.

But if your side is going to sit there and throw a hissy fit because you didn't get every single thing you wanted, and continually rip on people for liking the ending, and trolling these boards with 30000000000 new threads a day, and going into threads that have nothing to do with the endings and bringing your trollbait there... well. To hell with you. That kind of behavior makes me hope BioWare never gives you a damn thing.

Contribute constructively or gtfo.

We're taking the boards back.

Retake BSN!

And that was really well written.

[Faust1979]

MegaBadExample wrote...

Opsrbest wrote...

Why does everyone act like the story is 100000000000000000000000000% completed?

Does no one think that Bioware would be aware of how they ended the game and actually have plans for ME3?

You're right. They're gonna hand us out more DLC which is playable BEFORE the ending.

Seriously, the point remains. This was supposed to be THE ending. 100% completion. The big send off. We were supposed to get answers and closure to our stories. Bioware weren't supposed to leave us hanging with 'WHAT?' All the choices we've made along the way were supposed to matter. The player was supposed to get their pay-off. Instead, we got pick your favourite colour... red, blue or green?

they did answer your questions and told what happened to your shepard and explained how the unisverse turns out. Just because you didn't like it doesn't mean the answers aren't there they just aren't the answers you wanted

[Armass81]

Blow over...? HAHAHAHA

[PiEman]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Salis777 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Salis777 wrote...


Sorry no, you have an ABC option which can lead to 1, 2, 3 repercussions depending on other factors.  It's still A B C.  I don't think you'd get that past any logical breakdown.

Ending 1: I have 1000 EMS, I get to the end and have one option available to me. ABC? No.
Ending 2: I have 2000 EMS, I get to the end and have two options available to me. ABC? No.
Ending 3: I have 3000 EMS. I get to the end and have three options available to me. ABC? Yes.
Ending 4: I have 4000 EMS. I get to the end and have three options available to me, even though the third option is different from any of the other endings. ABC? I'd say... half. 

Not to mention, the simple fact is that the entire game is an ending to events that started in ME1, are those all ABC options as well? Do those count in the ending? Should they? 

Again, hype, yes. Lie, no. Unless you can prove that Casey Hudson was talking specifically about this part of the ending, with 3000 EMS, and only 3000 EMS... it's not a lie.

ABC OPTION at the END, thats his quote.  Not ABC endings, they said there were 16 and there sure where yay!  The ending is an ABC option, which is EXACTLY and SPECIFICALLY what he was referring to.

Again, are there 16 different endings? I don't know. I haven't counted. But every single ending that has something different happen, no matter how minor, is a different ending according to the letter of the law. They. Did. Not. Lie. They simply did not live up to your expecations.

Wow. 

This guy could run the PR department for Bioware...

[Father_Jerusalem]

Salis777 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Salis777 wrote...


Sorry no, you have an ABC option which can lead to 1, 2, 3 repercussions depending on other factors.  It's still A B C.  I don't think you'd get that past any logical breakdown.

Ending 1: I have 1000 EMS, I get to the end and have one option available to me. ABC? No.
Ending 2: I have 2000 EMS, I get to the end and have two options available to me. ABC? No.
Ending 3: I have 3000 EMS. I get to the end and have three options available to me. ABC? Yes.
Ending 4: I have 4000 EMS. I get to the end and have three options available to me, even though the third option is different from any of the other endings. ABC? I'd say... half. 

Not to mention, the simple fact is that the entire game is an ending to events that started in ME1, are those all ABC options as well? Do those count in the ending? Should they? 

Again, hype, yes. Lie, no. Unless you can prove that Casey Hudson was talking specifically about this part of the ending, with 3000 EMS, and only 3000 EMS... it's not a lie.

Fair enough, class-A bull**** from them.

And that I won't argue with. Everyone does it when they release something new. Musicians, actors, directors, video game developers. Everyone. They overhype and overexaggerate. It's the way publicity works.

But it's not lying.

[kbct]

PiEman wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Again, are there 16 different endings? I don't know. I haven't counted. But every single ending that has something different happen, no matter how minor, is a different ending according to the letter of the law. They. Did. Not. Lie. They simply did not live up to your expecations.

Wow. 

This guy could run the PR department for Bioware...

HAHA! Out of left field. That was funny.

[I can Hackett]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...

If that's the case, it sounds like your Shepard's story could've ended right in the middle of ME2 and you'd still be content.
Seriously, bro, I would've been happier if my Shepard's story ended in ME1. Now that I know what happens.

Seriously? ****ing seriously? I'm happy with the endings, so it's fine to slag me for it? I get called a noob, which I disprove, I get called a bioware plant, I get called an idiot, and now you're flat out calling me stupid because I liked ME3.

No wonder I hate your "movement". The condescenion and arrogance coming from you assclowns makes me want to vomit.

A) I dont see where he called you stupid
We`re that serious about this movement we find it so hard to believe someone who has invested as much time as you say could like these endings
C) I`ve only seen curses and names come from you
D) everything i`ve said is strictly my opinion hence "IMO" and not a matter of fact so relax

[Father_Jerusalem]

PiEman wrote...


Wow. 

This guy could run the PR department for Bioware...

If it meant I'd actually get paid for dealing with people like you, sign me the hell up.

Right now all I'm getting is aneurysms. 

[Father_Jerusalem]

slyguy200 wrote...


Don't bother this guy is an incorrigible and blind sheep only able to see what he wants, so ignoore him he ignores the facts and so he should be ignored, i will not be taking you seiously any more SHEEP.

I've pointed out facts. You simply can't argue them. If anyone's a sheep, it's you.

[ArcanistLibram]

Lacan2 wrote...

I'd give it a month max. Let's be honest, it's a game, most will go play something else within a month and that will be that. Journalists will lose interest by next week.

All Bioware has to do is ignore it and it will go away. Doesn't mean they won't lose customers, but the furor will have died down.

The furor dying down most likely means customers are ditching Bioware. It's really, really bad for any company that likes profits. Anyone familiar with complaint management will tell you that you have to maximize customer complaints if you want to prove your business. People who don't complain usually stop doing business with you, tell all their friends about the poor quality of your products and don't let you know that you need to improve.

[Paparob]

Summer, by then if nothing is out people will just stop being Bioware patrons. Most people I've spoke to feel the endings are bad and perhaps lazy, you like them fine whatever, but DA3 is probably gonna tank (DA2 has a lot of people who don't like it, ME3 gave a lot of people the impression Bioware can't end a trilogy)

[PiEman]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Right now all I'm getting is aneurysms. 

Or so I can dream...