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Father_Jerusalem wrote...
Argumentum ad Populum. Just because McDonald's is popular doesn't mean it's the best gourmet meal you can eat.
And I'd rather judge myself by the quality of people on my side, not the quantity.
Guest_slyguy200_*
people stop responding to this troll sheep hybrid it is obvious that he is ignoring what we have said and has made it way to personal for him to start any time soonFather_Jerusalem wrote...
PiEman wrote...
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
kbct wrote...
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
I've pointed out facts. You simply can't argue them. If anyone's a sheep, it's you.
The others determine who is right and wrong. People get tired of arguing with you because you never stop. You drown them in a sea of words. I know you believe what you write, but what matters is what the neutral people think.
You're right, I don't stop. Because you keep spreading misinformation and propaganda as fact. You are intellectually dishonest and I despise that.
I don't stop because I liked the endings, and on these boards that's a capital offense, but I refuse to kotow to you bullies and give up my opinions because you tell me to.
I don't stop because you've GOTTEN the attention of BioWare, and instead of turning and starting constructive discussions, you continually try and browbeat people into falling into line, you continually play the victim card, you continually create and invade threads to shove your agenda down people's faces.
So no. I don't stop. I was content to let this whole divide be until your side started ripping me for liking the endings. That pissed me off and now I will defend my point of view as much as I have to.
Oh, you have got to be ****ting me...
1. Spreading misinformation and propoganda as fact is pretty much what we're accusing Bioware of in the first place. Saying that they lied is not misinformation, it's exactly what they did. It's not hype to say you won't do something, and then go ahead and do exactly that anyway!
2. The problem is, people literally cannot comprehend why you would like the endings. They're full of last-minute plot holes (as somebody just pointed out above), lazy writing, a lack of any closure, and the exact ending we were told we would not be getting. Something is fundamentally wrong with your argument if you can ignore all of that and then try to defend that position.
3. You're only describing part of the movement, and a lot of this isn't even true. Not to mention, I'm not sure if it's physically possible to shove something down a person's face...
4. Lastly, RED! BLUE! GREEN! PICK ONE AND NOTHING ELSE MATTERS!
See how disappointing that was? You were expecting closure, but got colors.
Firstly, BioWare never lied, except about multiplayer. Sorry. Assumes facts not in evidence. Their statements did not live up to your expectations, and I am sorry for that, but it's NOT a lie.
Secondly, there have been many people posting many interpretations of WHY they liked the endings. What worked for them, what didn't. What they'd like to see in DLC, and what they hope doesn't change. And it doesn't MATTER if you can't comprehend why I like the ending, all that matters is that you ACCEPT THAT I DO AND NOT CALL ME NAMES FOR IT LIKE AN ACTUAL HUMAN BEING. God. Damn. I can't understand why people like Justin Beiber, but I don't troll his forums calling his fans idiots.
Thirdly, BioWare has come out and said "we're listening to feedback". How is that not even true? They want to make DLC and they want fan support, both anti-ending and pro-ending. Be constructive, and protip - don't tell people who think differently that you want them to die, even in sarcasm.
Fourthly, PURPLE, ORANGE, MAUVE. I got closure. So why are you trying to tell me that I didn't.
dragonflight288 wrote...
That's their way of being civil.
I've had death threats for saying I liked the game and explaining why.
They
say we're not uncivil, and I suppose there are some, but really? At
least our side doesn't resort to violence and wishing harm on people who
don't think the way they do.
Most of them are not capable of being civil and I don't know why. They claim that they are, but actions state otherwise.
And I'm sorry you were trolledIt's no fun, I know.
Well, it isn't fun, but I just thought of that scene in "The Dark Knight" when the mob tries to shoot and kill Harvey Dent in the middle of a trial. Rachel has a good line.
"If they aren't taking shots at you, you aren't doing your job.":police:
I refuse to buy another bioware product until they fix the ending. All the same, good luck to em.
dragonflight288 wrote...
We don't stop because you are ignorant
and you seriously believe what bioware said before selling the game was
fact and because we were lied to, giving up is not an option, and
because we will not have opinions shoved down our throats by ignorant
people like you.
I will not stop against you people because you
continue to insult us and ignorantly believey you are the ones who have
been trolled most, and i am absolutely sick of it. all of the lies and
false info that our opposition uses.
i willl not stop because we have
gotten BW's attention and you won't let us have civil conversations
about what we should do, we have the victim card, and we will not let
lies corrupt the forums.
so no i will not stop, i would be fine if
your side was not insulting me and the rest of us for no real reason.
that angered me and i will defend my POV until the end
HOLD THE LINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
See i can do it too
HAHAHAHAHA! So can I.
HOLD THE LINE!
hahaha. I'd rather quote Alistair from Dragon Age OriginsIt's like a party. We can all sit together and hold hands. That'll give the darkspawn something to think about.
Mx_CN3 wrote...
If it makes you feel better, I am an ending-hater and I do happen to agree with you in that, though BioWare did not outright lie to us, they definitely overhyped what they did, and I'd say, assuming they knew where they were going at the time, deliberately misled us. Which is a huge d*ck move, but is still not really an outright lie.
Very true. I like that scene, too.
And no, it isn't fun. It isn't fun coming to the forums and seeing a bazillion threads about the same nonsense and when you find one, its being overrun by trolls.
We need to take back BSN
And no, it isn't fun. It isn't fun coming to the forums and seeing a bazillion threads about the same nonsense and when you find one, its being overrun by trolls.
We need to take back BSN
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
dragonflight288 wrote...
We don't stop because you are ignorant
and you seriously believe what bioware said before selling the game was
fact and because we were lied to, giving up is not an option, and
because we will not have opinions shoved down our throats by ignorant
people like you.
I will not stop against you people because you
continue to insult us and ignorantly believey you are the ones who have
been trolled most, and i am absolutely sick of it. all of the lies and
false info that our opposition uses.
i willl not stop because we have
gotten BW's attention and you won't let us have civil conversations
about what we should do, we have the victim card, and we will not let
lies corrupt the forums.
so no i will not stop, i would be fine if
your side was not insulting me and the rest of us for no real reason.
that angered me and i will defend my POV until the end
HOLD THE LINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
See i can do it too
HAHAHAHAHA! So can I.
HOLD THE LINE!
hahaha. I'd rather quote Alistair from Dragon Age OriginsIt's like a party. We can all sit together and hold hands. That'll give the darkspawn something to think about.
You complain about people being uncivil towards you and then giggle when someone is openly hostile and attacking me? Um, okay.
dragonflight288 wrote...
Very true. I like that scene, too.
And no, it isn't fun. It isn't fun coming to the forums and seeing a bazillion threads about the same nonsense and when you find one, its being overrun by trolls.
We need to take back BSN
Perhaps we can hold that line? hahahaha.
You complain about people being uncivil towards you and then giggle when someone is openly hostile and attacking me? Um, okay.
Welcome to the internet, buddragonflight288 wrote...
Thank you for your civility. I have also been insulted in all manner of ways, not because I support the ending (I was greatly disappointed by it) but because I am trying to be civil, encourage others to be civil, and am trying to get respectful disagreements more widespread (like what you have just done. Thank you.)
However, I have been called retard, uneducated, had several inappropriate comments made about my personal life (which no one who made the comments would know about anyway) my age, and almost every facet of what I am brought into question and outright insulted because....I don't know why.
.
kbct wrote...
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
Argumentum ad Populum. Just because McDonald's is popular doesn't mean it's the best gourmet meal you can eat.
And I'd rather judge myself by the quality of people on my side, not the quantity.
Heckman procedure. Just because a poll is self-selecting and biased, doesn't mean it has no information.
Lots of talented people in the majority.
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
kbct wrote...
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
Argumentum ad Populum. Just because McDonald's is popular doesn't mean it's the best gourmet meal you can eat.
And I'd rather judge myself by the quality of people on my side, not the quantity.
Heckman procedure. Just because a poll is self-selecting and biased, doesn't mean it has no information.
Lots of talented people in the majority.
Yes. It does. The poll didn't use a random sample. The questions were worded in ways to get specific responses. The poll was advertised as "come vote on how much you hated the endings". It allowed people to vote multiple times. As a statistical analysis, the poll - and polls on the other sites as well, because they're pulling from the same tainted pool - is completely and utterly invalid. You cannot draw ANY sort of data from it.
I don't get how you can say this poll is good data when it is tainted in every. Single. Way. Imaginable.
Welcome to the internet, bud
.
It's
just way too easy for a disagreement to turn into an argument then into
a full-blown flame war where everyone just forgot what they disagreed
on and focuses on attacking eachother. Which is rather silly. If the
people that are currently being rather rude to eachother come back
tomorrow and read what they said, they'll probably see that they were
overreacting and losing control, and will hopefully keep a more level
head in future posts.
And that's great that you also police
arguments like this. Sometimes all it does take is someone coming in
and being diplomatic to put things back together, though I would not
dare say that I am among the best at it. I just try to encourage people
to be nice to eachother!
Guest_slyguy200_*
You won't be taking back bsn anytime soon with this constant stream of people showing up to get there voice heard about the endings and after the jeusalem guy's speech i can see why so many people hate him on sight, as well as some of the rest of you:mellow:*shakes head in dissappointment* so immatureHenchxNarf wrote...
dragonflight288 wrote...
That's their way of being civil.
I've had death threats for saying I liked the game and explaining why.
They
say we're not uncivil, and I suppose there are some, but really? At
least our side doesn't resort to violence and wishing harm on people who
don't think the way they do.
Most of them are not capable of being civil and I don't know why. They claim that they are, but actions state otherwise.
And I'm sorry you were trolled
Well, it isn't fun, but I just thought of that scene in "The Dark Knight" when the mob tries to shoot and kill Harvey Dent in the middle of a trial. Rachel has a good line.
"If they aren't taking shots at you, you aren't doing your job.":police:
Very true. I like that scene, too.
And no, it isn't fun. It isn't fun coming to the forums and seeing a bazillion threads about the same nonsense and when you find one, its being overrun by trolls.
We need to take back BSN
dragonflight288 wrote...
You complain about people being uncivil towards you and then giggle when someone is openly hostile and attacking me? Um, okay.
Not quite. Sorry, miscommunication there. I was making a joke at all the "HOLD THE LINE" things, hoping bolding the words "holding hands" would make it apparent. You know, friendship stuff.
I apologize.
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
kbct wrote...
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
Argumentum ad Populum. Just because McDonald's is popular doesn't mean it's the best gourmet meal you can eat.
And I'd rather judge myself by the quality of people on my side, not the quantity.
Heckman procedure. Just because a poll is self-selecting and biased, doesn't mean it has no information.
Lots of talented people in the majority.
Yes. It does. The poll didn't use a random sample. The questions were worded in ways to get specific responses. The poll was advertised as "come vote on how much you hated the endings". It allowed people to vote multiple times. As a statistical analysis, the poll - and polls on the other sites as well, because they're pulling from the same tainted pool - is completely and utterly invalid. You cannot draw ANY sort of data from it.
I don't get how you can say this poll is good data when it is tainted in every. Single. Way. Imaginable.
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Father_Jerusalem wrote...
PiEman wrote...
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
kbct wrote...
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
I've pointed out facts. You simply can't argue them. If anyone's a sheep, it's you.
The others determine who is right and wrong. People get tired of arguing with you because you never stop. You drown them in a sea of words. I know you believe what you write, but what matters is what the neutral people think.
You're right, I don't stop. Because you keep spreading misinformation and propaganda as fact. You are intellectually dishonest and I despise that.
I don't stop because I liked the endings, and on these boards that's a capital offense, but I refuse to kotow to you bullies and give up my opinions because you tell me to.
I don't stop because you've GOTTEN the attention of BioWare, and instead of turning and starting constructive discussions, you continually try and browbeat people into falling into line, you continually play the victim card, you continually create and invade threads to shove your agenda down people's faces.
So no. I don't stop. I was content to let this whole divide be until your side started ripping me for liking the endings. That pissed me off and now I will defend my point of view as much as I have to.
Oh, you have got to be ****ting me...
1. Spreading misinformation and propoganda as fact is pretty much what we're accusing Bioware of in the first place. Saying that they lied is not misinformation, it's exactly what they did. It's not hype to say you won't do something, and then go ahead and do exactly that anyway!
2. The problem is, people literally cannot comprehend why you would like the endings. They're full of last-minute plot holes (as somebody just pointed out above), lazy writing, a lack of any closure, and the exact ending we were told we would not be getting. Something is fundamentally wrong with your argument if you can ignore all of that and then try to defend that position.
3. You're only describing part of the movement, and a lot of this isn't even true. Not to mention, I'm not sure if it's physically possible to shove something down a person's face...
4. Lastly, RED! BLUE! GREEN! PICK ONE AND NOTHING ELSE MATTERS!
See how disappointing that was? You were expecting closure, but got colors.
Firstly, BioWare never lied, except about multiplayer. Sorry. Assumes facts not in evidence. Their statements did not live up to your expectations, and I am sorry for that, but it's NOT a lie.
Secondly, there have been many people posting many interpretations of WHY they liked the endings. What worked for them, what didn't. What they'd like to see in DLC, and what they hope doesn't change. And it doesn't MATTER if you can't comprehend why I like the ending, all that matters is that you ACCEPT THAT I DO AND NOT CALL ME NAMES FOR IT LIKE AN ACTUAL HUMAN BEING. God. Damn. I can't understand why people like Justin Beiber, but I don't troll his forums calling his fans idiots.
Thirdly, BioWare has come out and said "we're listening to feedback". How is that not even true? They want to make DLC and they want fan support, both anti-ending and pro-ending. Be constructive, and protip - don't tell people who think differently that you want them to die, even in sarcasm.
Fourthly, PURPLE, ORANGE, MAUVE. I got closure. So why are you trying to tell me that I didn't.
Guest_slyguy200_*
HenchxNarf wrote...
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
Yes. It does. The poll didn't use a random sample. The questions were worded in ways to get specific responses. The poll was advertised as "come vote on how much you hated the endings". It allowed people to vote multiple times. As a statistical analysis, the poll - and polls on the other sites as well, because they're pulling from the same tainted pool - is completely and utterly invalid. You cannot draw ANY sort of data from it.
I don't get how you can say this poll is good data when it is tainted in every. Single. Way. Imaginable.
It's their only leg to stand on, that's why.
kbct wrote...
Mx_CN3 wrote...
If it makes you feel better, I am an ending-hater and I do happen to agree with you in that, though BioWare did not outright lie to us, they definitely overhyped what they did, and I'd say, assuming they knew where they were going at the time, deliberately misled us. Which is a huge d*ck move, but is still not really an outright lie.
Not a cool move, BioWare.
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
I'm sorry, I'm just on edge from being attacked constantly.
Guest_slyguy200_*
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
dragonflight288 wrote...
You complain about people being uncivil towards you and then giggle when someone is openly hostile and attacking me? Um, okay.
Not quite. Sorry, miscommunication there. I was making a joke at all the "HOLD THE LINE" things, hoping bolding the words "holding hands" would make it apparent. You know, friendship stuff.
I apologize.
I'm sorry, I'm just on edge from being attacked constantly. I shouldn't have jumped down your throat.
But Scrubs is on now, and hopefully that can help bring me back down to normal.
Thanks for your support, I do appreciate it.
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