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I'm sorry, I'm just on edge from being attacked constantly. I shouldn't have jumped down your throat.
But Scrubs is on now, and hopefully that can help bring me back down to normal.
Thanks for your support, I do appreciate it.
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
kbct wrote...
Mx_CN3 wrote...
If it makes you feel better, I am an ending-hater and I do happen to agree with you in that, though BioWare did not outright lie to us, they definitely overhyped what they did, and I'd say, assuming they knew where they were going at the time, deliberately misled us. Which is a huge d*ck move, but is still not really an outright lie.
Not a cool move, BioWare.
No, it wasn't a cool move.
kbct wrote...
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
kbct wrote...
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
Argumentum ad Populum. Just because McDonald's is popular doesn't mean it's the best gourmet meal you can eat.
And I'd rather judge myself by the quality of people on my side, not the quantity.
Heckman procedure. Just because a poll is self-selecting and biased, doesn't mean it has no information.
Lots of talented people in the majority.
Yes. It does. The poll didn't use a random sample. The questions were worded in ways to get specific responses. The poll was advertised as "come vote on how much you hated the endings". It allowed people to vote multiple times. As a statistical analysis, the poll - and polls on the other sites as well, because they're pulling from the same tainted pool - is completely and utterly invalid. You cannot draw ANY sort of data from it.
I don't get how you can say this poll is good data when it is tainted in every. Single. Way. Imaginable.
The sample size is too large and the results are too lopsided to contain zero information. Plus, there is corroborating evidence.
That, and a couple of threads in the story section, some of which have reached thousands of pages long. Yeah, probably a reasonable portion of it is just the same people chattering on it, but consider also that there are people like me who only post once or twice, just because I want to state my opinion and leave it at that.HenchxNarf wrote...
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It's their only leg to stand on, that's why.
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Father_Jerusalem wrote...
kbct wrote...
Mx_CN3 wrote...
If it makes you feel better, I am an ending-hater and I do happen to agree with you in that, though BioWare did not outright lie to us, they definitely overhyped what they did, and I'd say, assuming they knew where they were going at the time, deliberately misled us. Which is a huge d*ck move, but is still not really an outright lie.
Not a cool move, BioWare.
No, it wasn't a cool move. But it was the exact reason I avoid publicity for things I'm looking forward to in order to try and make up my mind on my own. I'm sorry that you were let down by the hype, I TRULY am. But maybe I'm just more used to disbelieving the hype so that I don't get my expectations up.
Surely you have a nicer way of expressing your disagreement?slyguy200 wrote...
No you are thoroughly desensitized (and ignorant), i experienced no hype at all and i am still angry about the endings
Overule wrote...
It'll blow over when they start talking to us like adults.
Mx_CN3 wrote...
That, and a couple of threads in the story section, some of which have reached thousands of pages long. Yeah, probably a reasonable portion of it is just the same people chattering on it, but consider also that there are people like me who only post once or twice, just because I want to state my opinion and leave it at that.HenchxNarf wrote...
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It's their only leg to stand on, that's why.
There are a lot of people that dislike the endings. Some are much more vocal about it than others, but you cannot deny that there are many. I can't say how many, but it is obviously a fairly large amount, considering the amount of media the ending debate is getting, and that BioWare has actually responded to it (albeit in a very distant way).
And I do agree that the poll is flawed, at least the one I voted on, in more than one way.
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Father_Jerusalem wrote...
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The sample size is too large and the results are too lopsided to contain zero information. Plus, there is corroborating evidence.
The sample size is too large due to new multiple votes and vote-bombing, same with the lopsided results - in addition to the fact that the poll was worded and advertised in order to garner one specific result, meaning people who feel differently have absolutely zero motivation to participate in the vote. As for the corroborating evidence? It still draws fro the same tainted pool as this poll, and should be discounted for the same reasons.
Statistics 101.
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Father_Jerusalem wrote...
The sample size is too large due to new multiple votes and vote-bombing, same with the lopsided results - in addition to the fact that the poll was worded and advertised in order to garner one specific result, meaning people who feel differently have absolutely zero motivation to participate in the vote. As for the corroborating evidence? It still draws fro the same tainted pool as this poll, and should be discounted for the same reasons.
Statistics 101.
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And I don't deny that there are many who disliked the ending, in point of fact, I've conceded (in other responses to kbct in other threads) that you guys are the majority group here on the BSN. And disliking the endings is PERFECTLY valid.
I simply don't want to be looked down on and condescended to because I DID like the endings, and you disagree with people doing that as well. So we have a basis to have actual discussions, not flame wars.
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Father_Jerusalem wrote...
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And I don't deny that there are many who disliked the ending, in point of fact, I've conceded (in other responses to kbct in other threads) that you guys are the majority group here on the BSN. And disliking the endings is PERFECTLY valid.
I simply don't want to be looked down on and condescended to because I DID like the endings, and you disagree with people doing that as well. So we have a basis to have actual discussions, not flame wars.
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dragonflight288 wrote...
And I don't deny that there are many who disliked the ending, in point of fact, I've conceded (in other responses to kbct in other threads) that you guys are the majority group here on the BSN. And disliking the endings is PERFECTLY valid.
I simply don't want to be looked down on and condescended to because I DID like the endings, and you disagree with people doing that as well. So we have a basis to have actual discussions, not flame wars.
You have every right to express your opinion, and while they have it as well, many of them who have attacked people (such as yourself) have crossed lines.
And I don't deny that there are many who disliked the ending, in point of fact, I've conceded (in other responses to kbct in other threads) that you guys are the majority group here on the BSN. And disliking the endings is PERFECTLY valid.
I simply don't want to be looked down on and condescended to because I DID like the endings, and you disagree with people doing that as well. So we have a basis to have actual discussions, not flame wars.
dragonflight288 wrote...
Just created a poll that has several options. Please vote only once. It covers Mass Effect leading up to Kai Leng's final boss fight.
kbct wrote...
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
The sample size is too large due to new multiple votes and vote-bombing, same with the lopsided results - in addition to the fact that the poll was worded and advertised in order to garner one specific result, meaning people who feel differently have absolutely zero motivation to participate in the vote. As for the corroborating evidence? It still draws fro the same tainted pool as this poll, and should be discounted for the same reasons.
Statistics 101.
Go ahead and speculate that multiple votes, vote-bombing, and poor wording destroyed the poll. Minor influences.
You just don't want to believe any of the evidence. The polls and reviews are hiding the truth.
Go ahead and believe that.
*Sigh* do you realize that you could end the flame war (at least on your front) by simply not calling him ignorant, or any of the other insults you have up your sleeve?slyguy200 wrote...
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
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And I don't deny that there are many who disliked the ending, in point of fact, I've conceded (in other responses to kbct in other threads) that you guys are the majority group here on the BSN. And disliking the endings is PERFECTLY valid.
I simply don't want to be looked down on and condescended to because I DID like the endings, and you disagree with people doing that as well. So we have a basis to have actual discussions, not flame wars.
then stop starting flame wars with your rediculous ignorance.
What's the link to the poll? I'd be open to participating in this.
Mx_CN3 wrote...
slyguy200 wrote...
No you are thoroughly desensitized (and ignorant), i experienced no hype at all and i am still angry about the endings
Surely you have a nicer way of expressing your disagreement?
dragonflight288 wrote...
And I don't deny that there are many who disliked the ending, in point of fact, I've conceded (in other responses to kbct in other threads) that you guys are the majority group here on the BSN. And disliking the endings is PERFECTLY valid.
I simply don't want to be looked down on and condescended to because I DID like the endings, and you disagree with people doing that as well. So we have a basis to have actual discussions, not flame wars.
Father Jerusalem hasn't insulted anyone, called someone an idiot, ignorant, and openly acknowledges the disagreement in a peaceful matter. How is that starting a flame war?
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dragonflight288 wrote...
And I don't deny that there are many who disliked the ending, in point of fact, I've conceded (in other responses to kbct in other threads) that you guys are the majority group here on the BSN. And disliking the endings is PERFECTLY valid.
I simply don't want to be looked down on and condescended to because I DID like the endings, and you disagree with people doing that as well. So we have a basis to have actual discussions, not flame wars.
Father Jerusalem hasn't insulted anyone, called someone an idiot, ignorant, and openly acknowledges the disagreement in a peaceful matter. How is that starting a flame war?
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
kbct wrote...
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
The sample size is too large due to new multiple votes and vote-bombing, same with the lopsided results - in addition to the fact that the poll was worded and advertised in order to garner one specific result, meaning people who feel differently have absolutely zero motivation to participate in the vote. As for the corroborating evidence? It still draws fro the same tainted pool as this poll, and should be discounted for the same reasons.
Statistics 101.
Go ahead and speculate that multiple votes, vote-bombing, and poor wording destroyed the poll. Minor influences.
You just don't want to believe any of the evidence. The polls and reviews are hiding the truth.
Go ahead and believe that.
Even minor influences, and these are in no way minor influences, destroy the integrity of a poll. You cannot have scientifically accurate results with corrupted data. You just can't.
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HenchxNarf wrote...
dragonflight288 wrote...
And I don't deny that there are many who disliked the ending, in point of fact, I've conceded (in other responses to kbct in other threads) that you guys are the majority group here on the BSN. And disliking the endings is PERFECTLY valid.
I simply don't want to be looked down on and condescended to because I DID like the endings, and you disagree with people doing that as well. So we have a basis to have actual discussions, not flame wars.
Father Jerusalem hasn't insulted anyone, called someone an idiot, ignorant, and openly acknowledges the disagreement in a peaceful matter. How is that starting a flame war?
He's been awfully civil for the amount of flames he's bee thrown. I applaud him for that.
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