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[dragonflight288]

Cha, why do you think I haven't responded to any of these guys in several pages?

You'd think they'd understand that.

They may get the hint in a few weeks. *passes popcorn to Hench*

[Father_Jerusalem]

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

You know maybe if BioWare/EA would contact the registered owners through e-mail and ask for their opinion, then there would be no skew. Well at least internally. Are they afraid of what the real data would suggest?

Not at all. Because I don't think that the majority of owners are nearly as mad at the ending as people would like to believe. Does that mean they all LIKE the ending? No, but if they were truly as passionate as some suggest, the results of these polls would not be 55,000 to 2, they'd be 1.5 million to 2.

If they released a poll with: 

"I dislike the ending to Mass Effect 3"

A. Strongly Agree
B. Agree
C. Indifferent
D. Disagree
E. Strongly Disagree

I believe that the majority would hover between "B" and "C".

Modifié par Father_Jerusalem, 21 mars 2012 - 04:46 .

[Squallypo]

this is not going to get over until the situation gets a solid response/result from bioware if you think this is not a serious matter or that people hasnt take it seriusly you should take a look at the social media, fb, twitter, game sites speaking of this, bbc, cnn, and others so yes this is far huge from other dissapointments/ downfalls example DA2

[kbct]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

kbct wrote...

ME3 sales dropped 74% in the second week:

http://www.gamezone....t-mass-effect-3

DA2 sales dropped only 66%. And DA2 was a dog.

Corrupted data, right?

And there were websites showing the SWTOR sales dropped 80+% after a few weeks, even though BioWare's conference calls state that subscriptions have held steady at 1.8+ million since launch.

Between 1.35 million and 1.85 million copies of ME3 have been sold. The people that were excited to buy it have already bought it. Of course sales are going to drop off. It's still outsold both ME1 and ME2 in a matter of two weeks.

So you don't believe the sales figures either. Nice. No polls. No reviews. No sales figures. Just you and your opinion.

There is also the other side to revenue. It's called cost. How much did it cost to make ME3? How many units do they have to sell to breakeven? Profit mattters more than sales. It doesn't matter if ME3 outsold ME1 and ME2.

Also, consider all the people that have been burned and won't purchase DLC or future BioWare games. I know I won't pre-order again.

Modifié par kbct, 21 mars 2012 - 04:49 .

[Deadmac]

Deadmac Chimes In...

Art is subjective. Within the college I graduated from, digital media is a direct offshoot to fine arts. Before you reach your junior year, digital media students need to take fine arts courses. Drawing, painting, sculpture, color-theory, etc.. Once students get into their junior year, they take 3D animation, digital imaging, web development, motion graphics, etc... As a matter of fact, every college in the nation teaches 3D animation as an art-form. When you include writers into the game development process, you are adding another form of art and entertainment. Game development is an absolute art form, which combines many creative individuals into the process. While I was taking my graphic design courses, some important rules have been drilled into me: (1) Art is subjective, (2) If you cannot communicate your message well, without explaining it, your design becomes an absolute failure, (3) form follows function, and (4) only psychologically messes up artists become rich when they are dead. Lol...

After reading some of BioWare's comments on the issue, I think they may have made a slight flaw. You see, "Dragon Age" and "Mass Effect" are roleplaying games; thus, the player should be the one to mold the environment based upon certain choices. Other words, while BioWare was writing their "Mas Effect" and "Dragon Age" stories, they have forget that the players are the ones who should define the player character's destiny. Even though I have said this before, I will say the following again. Once the 'dungeon master' takes control of the 'player character', they remove the roleplaying aspect of the game. You end up stealing away someone's reward for the time and effort they took to mold the story. Even though BioWare is trying to tell a specific story, they have forgotten that the players are the ones who should mold the story. Big difference in thinking.

Even though I have not played the game, I have enough information to comment on this issue. "Mass Effect III" and "Dragon Age II" reminds me of the "Diablo" series. Even though the old roleplaying games didn't have a mess of dialogue choices (leading you to multiple consequences), the first and second games in the "Diablo" series had dark-dark cliffhangers. After spending hours hacking away, you were left with one resolution and one dark-open ended cliffhanger. You learn the fate of your character, but you also found out the main protagonist took off into oblivion. Did that make people upset? Hell no. If anything did come from the situation, people ended up yearning for more "Diablo".

[Father_Jerusalem]

kbct wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

kbct wrote...

ME3 sales dropped 74% in the second week:

http://www.gamezone....t-mass-effect-3

DA2 sales dropped only 66%. And DA2 was a dog.

Corrupted data, right?

And there were websites showing the SWTOR sales dropped 80+% after a few weeks, even though BioWare's conference calls state that subscriptions have held steady at 1.8+ million since launch.

Between 1.35 million and 1.85 million copies of ME3 have been sold. The people that were excited to buy it have already bought it. Of course sales are going to drop off. It's still outsold both ME1 and ME2 in a matter of two weeks.

So you don't believe the sales figures either. Nice. No polls. No reviews. No sales figures. Just you and your opinion.

There is also the other side to revenue. It's called cost. How much did it cost to make ME3? How many units do they have to sell to breakeven? Profit mattters more than sales. It doesn't matter if ME3 outsold ME1 and ME2.

Also, consider all the people that have been burned and won't purchase DLC or future BioWare games. I know I won't pre-order again.

I believe the sales figures. I'm just not going to jump on "the sky is falling" because sales figures... go down... after people have bought the game... because... if they own the game... why would they keep buying the game...

Mass Effect has NEVER been what you'd call a "Massive commerical hit". 1.35-1.85 million units sold in the first two weeks is more than either of the previous games sold total. I'd call that a success by any measure.

Edit: Not to mention that's only UK box sales, not US sales, not world sales, not Origin sales... there are too many other variables to tout that as evidence that BioWare is about to commit hara kiri.

Modifié par Father_Jerusalem, 21 mars 2012 - 04:54 .

[Salis777]

kbct wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

kbct wrote...

ME3 sales dropped 74% in the second week:

http://www.gamezone....t-mass-effect-3

DA2 sales dropped only 66%. And DA2 was a dog.

Corrupted data, right?

And there were websites showing the SWTOR sales dropped 80+% after a few weeks, even though BioWare's conference calls state that subscriptions have held steady at 1.8+ million since launch.

Between 1.35 million and 1.85 million copies of ME3 have been sold. The people that were excited to buy it have already bought it. Of course sales are going to drop off. It's still outsold both ME1 and ME2 in a matter of two weeks.

So you don't believe the sales figures either. Nice. No polls. No reviews. No sales figures. Just you and your opinion.

There is also the other side to revenue. It's called cost. How much did it cost to make ME3? How many units do they have to sell to breakeven? Profit mattters more than sales. It doesn't matter if ME3 outsold ME1 and ME2.

Also, consider all the people that have been burned and won't purchase DLC or future BioWare games. I know I won't pre-order again.

lol yeah whats the point in arguing.  I mean look at the Facebook likes - 45,000 like retakeME, 450 on WeLikeME or whatever it is.  Glad this guy isn't doing analysis for me

[Father_Jerusalem]

Salis777 wrote...

kbct wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

kbct wrote...

ME3 sales dropped 74% in the second week:

http://www.gamezone....t-mass-effect-3

DA2 sales dropped only 66%. And DA2 was a dog.

Corrupted data, right?

And there were websites showing the SWTOR sales dropped 80+% after a few weeks, even though BioWare's conference calls state that subscriptions have held steady at 1.8+ million since launch.

Between 1.35 million and 1.85 million copies of ME3 have been sold. The people that were excited to buy it have already bought it. Of course sales are going to drop off. It's still outsold both ME1 and ME2 in a matter of two weeks.

So you don't believe the sales figures either. Nice. No polls. No reviews. No sales figures. Just you and your opinion.

There is also the other side to revenue. It's called cost. How much did it cost to make ME3? How many units do they have to sell to breakeven? Profit mattters more than sales. It doesn't matter if ME3 outsold ME1 and ME2.

Also, consider all the people that have been burned and won't purchase DLC or future BioWare games. I know I won't pre-order again.

lol yeah whats the point in arguing.  I mean look at the Facebook likes - 45,000 like retakeME, 450 on WeLikeME or whatever it is.  Glad this guy isn't doing analysis for me

Justin Bieber has 28,690,005 likes on Facebook.

Spongebob Squarepants has 22,993,821.

Starbucks and their god-awful coffee has 22,649,971.

Facebook Page statistics has 20,000. 

I'm glad I'm not doing analysis for you too, because you'd turn 45,000 people out of 1.35-1.85 million into a majority.


Source: 
https://www.facebook...165408200173753 

Modifié par Father_Jerusalem, 21 mars 2012 - 05:00 .

[kbct]

Salis777 wrote...

kbct wrote...

So you don't believe the sales figures either. Nice. No polls. No reviews. No sales figures. Just you and your opinion.

There is also the other side to revenue. It's called cost. How much did it cost to make ME3? How many units do they have to sell to breakeven? Profit mattters more than sales. It doesn't matter if ME3 outsold ME1 and ME2.

Also, consider all the people that have been burned and won't purchase DLC or future BioWare games. I know I won't pre-order again.

lol yeah whats the point in arguing.  I mean look at the Facebook likes - 45,000 like retakeME, 450 on WeLikeME or whatever it is.  Glad this guy isn't doing analysis for me

Yeah, I'm done for now. No, I wouldn't trust him with my money. However, I would like to play poker with him and take his money.

[garf]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Faust1979 wrote...


I'm merely sick of being called a troll or a sheep for having a different opinion than a few other people

We're either trolls, work for Bioware, PR, or sheep.

But yet they sit on their high horse and say they're better than we are. Right.

Again.. two words "Entitled Whiners." sound familier. At least you don't have every 'big name' gaming industry "Journalist" flaming you as well.

It's a two way street, so I think it's a little unfair of you to complain about something that is also done by those who agree with you.

For myself I've never called anyone a sheep. If all they say is that they like the ending I express my respect and envy (oh dear god ENVY)

I have in earlier, angrier posts, implied that people worked for IGN or were Channeling Colin Moriarity. Becuase frankly they were trotting out the 'entitled crybabies' chant. Or that other one... what was it? Oh yeah... we just wanted "Puppies and rainbows" which is wrong on two levels. First, it was innacurate. Second the desire for a happier ending as one of the many promised widely diverging endings is not illegitimate given the way the previous 100 hours could have played out.

You guys are not the only ones who get demeaned and dismissed. And at least the press isn't attacking you. So please please. Let's be Civil.

I'm trying. I don't always succeed. But I think it's disengenious to play the victim on this issue.

[Salis777]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Justin Bieber has 28,690,005 likes on Facebook.

Spongebob Squarepants has 22,993,821.

Starbucks and their god-awful coffee has 22,649,971.

Facebook Page statistics has 20,000. 

I'm glad I'm not doing analysis for you too, because you'd turn 45,000 people out of 1.35-1.85 million into a majority.


Source: 
https://www.facebook...165408200173753 

lol what?

[FatalX7.0]

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

Overule wrote...

It'll blow over when they start talking to us like adults.

Maybe they'll start talking to you guys like adults when your "movement" stops acting like children. 

Not all of you but some of you bash and personally attack people if they support Bioware or like the ending.  They have the right to express their opinion on these boards just as much as any of you.

If somone posts a positive comment about the endings they are immeaditely branded "Bio-drones" and "trolls"

Act like adults and you will be treated as such.

You need to take into consideration that the other side of the bar also attacks and bashes.

[HenchxNarf]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

Overule wrote...

It'll blow over when they start talking to us like adults.

Maybe they'll start talking to you guys like adults when your "movement" stops acting like children. 

Not all of you but some of you bash and personally attack people if they support Bioware or like the ending.  They have the right to express their opinion on these boards just as much as any of you.

If somone posts a positive comment about the endings they are immeaditely branded "Bio-drones" and "trolls"

Act like adults and you will be treated as such.

You need to take into consideration that the other side of the bar also attacks and bashes.

I haven't seen any, but I suppose they're out there. But. nowhere near as bad as the movement's side.

[thunderhawk862002]

HenchxNarf wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

Overule wrote...

It'll blow over when they start talking to us like adults.

Maybe they'll start talking to you guys like adults when your "movement" stops acting like children. 

Not all of you but some of you bash and personally attack people if they support Bioware or like the ending.  They have the right to express their opinion on these boards just as much as any of you.

If somone posts a positive comment about the endings they are immeaditely branded "Bio-drones" and "trolls"

Act like adults and you will be treated as such.

You need to take into consideration that the other side of the bar also attacks and bashes.

I haven't seen any, but I suppose they're out there. But. nowhere near as bad as the movement's side.

Whiners, cry babies, etc. much?  Yeah the other side never attacks.

[FatalX7.0]

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

Overule wrote...

It'll blow over when they start talking to us like adults.

Maybe they'll start talking to you guys like adults when your "movement" stops acting like children. 

Not all of you but some of you bash and personally attack people if they support Bioware or like the ending.  They have the right to express their opinion on these boards just as much as any of you.

If somone posts a positive comment about the endings they are immeaditely branded "Bio-drones" and "trolls"

Act like adults and you will be treated as such.

You need to take into consideration that the other side of the bar also attacks and bashes.

I haven't seen any, but I suppose they're out there. But. nowhere near as bad as the movement's side.

Whiners, cry babies, etc. much?  Yeah the other side never attacks.

Exactly. To them, we're whiners, ****es, entitled cry babies, homosexual, stupid, need to grow up and things like that.

Seriously. These people are in every thread, how do you not see them?

[Jack Harper24]

I'm french but I'll do my best.

I didn't liked the ending but, I'm not here to talk about it, I'm just here to say that It's funny that people who actually liked the ending are mean with the people who didn't liked it...

It's my time to say, get over it...
It's only an opinion...

[FatalX7.0]

The "movement" side, most of us can actually state legitimate problems about the ending, while being civil.

The other side? They say we hate it just because.

Modifié par FatalX7.0, 21 mars 2012 - 05:18 .

[Father_Jerusalem]

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

Overule wrote...

It'll blow over when they start talking to us like adults.

Maybe they'll start talking to you guys like adults when your "movement" stops acting like children. 

Not all of you but some of you bash and personally attack people if they support Bioware or like the ending.  They have the right to express their opinion on these boards just as much as any of you.

If somone posts a positive comment about the endings they are immeaditely branded "Bio-drones" and "trolls"

Act like adults and you will be treated as such.

You need to take into consideration that the other side of the bar also attacks and bashes.

I haven't seen any, but I suppose they're out there. But. nowhere near as bad as the movement's side.

Whiners, cry babies, etc. much?  Yeah the other side never attacks.

When your side does stuff like this 
http://social.biowar...4640/1#10365135  it can be, admittedly, hard to separate the uber-extremist fro the core group. Can we come to a consensus that THIS is not good for ANYONE?

[Deadmac]

When it comes to BioWare's new writing style, I am absolutely not a big fan of their new storytelling mechanisms. Even though I have enjoyed their older games, BioWare's newer ones don't speak to me in a fulfilling manner. Do you know what? That is perfectly fine. Since they are no longer appealing to me as a roleplaying gamer, I have no problem with moving onto another company and franchise. BioWare has given me a good handful of games, which have been very fulfilling and rewarding. If they want to turn their games into fully animated movies, without any roleplaying aspects, I will just have to find another company that still caters to roleplaying gamers. I am perfectly fine with moving onward.

I wish BioWare good luck, and I hope they will have continued success.

[FatalX7.0]

I could have sworn that only one person did that.

I guess everyone did it if one person did. And since when did one person unofficially represent anyone? Because it makes your side look better?

Modifié par FatalX7.0, 21 mars 2012 - 05:20 .

[HenchxNarf]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

Overule wrote...

It'll blow over when they start talking to us like adults.

Maybe they'll start talking to you guys like adults when your "movement" stops acting like children. 

Not all of you but some of you bash and personally attack people if they support Bioware or like the ending.  They have the right to express their opinion on these boards just as much as any of you.

If somone posts a positive comment about the endings they are immeaditely branded "Bio-drones" and "trolls"

Act like adults and you will be treated as such.

You need to take into consideration that the other side of the bar also attacks and bashes.

I haven't seen any, but I suppose they're out there. But. nowhere near as bad as the movement's side.

Whiners, cry babies, etc. much?  Yeah the other side never attacks.

When your side does stuff like this 
http://social.biowar...4640/1#10365135  it can be, admittedly, hard to separate the uber-extremist fro the core group. Can we come to a consensus that THIS is not good for ANYONE?

No, it's not.

[Artemis_Entrari]

HenchxNarf wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

Overule wrote...

It'll blow over when they start talking to us like adults.

Maybe they'll start talking to you guys like adults when your "movement" stops acting like children. 

Not all of you but some of you bash and personally attack people if they support Bioware or like the ending.  They have the right to express their opinion on these boards just as much as any of you.

If somone posts a positive comment about the endings they are immeaditely branded "Bio-drones" and "trolls"

Act like adults and you will be treated as such.

You need to take into consideration that the other side of the bar also attacks and bashes.

I haven't seen any, but I suppose they're out there. But. nowhere near as bad as the movement's side.

You haven't seen any?  This thread alone has one or two posters who are continually using words like "whiner" or "babies" in their various posts (not sure if they bothered to do so in this thread, but just check their post history and you'll see it) to describe anyone who is upset with the ending.

Modifié par Artemis_Entrari, 21 mars 2012 - 05:22 .

[thunderhawk862002]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

Overule wrote...

It'll blow over when they start talking to us like adults.

Maybe they'll start talking to you guys like adults when your "movement" stops acting like children. 

Not all of you but some of you bash and personally attack people if they support Bioware or like the ending.  They have the right to express their opinion on these boards just as much as any of you.

If somone posts a positive comment about the endings they are immeaditely branded "Bio-drones" and "trolls"

Act like adults and you will be treated as such.

You need to take into consideration that the other side of the bar also attacks and bashes.

I haven't seen any, but I suppose they're out there. But. nowhere near as bad as the movement's side.

Whiners, cry babies, etc. much?  Yeah the other side never attacks.

When your side does stuff like this 
http://social.biowar...4640/1#10365135  it can be, admittedly, hard to separate the uber-extremist fro the core group. Can we come to a consensus that THIS is not good for ANYONE?

At this time it's not good because you need some serious financial backing to go this route which people don't want to do now.  That said if you had the resources and following to actually sustain a lawsuit against EA then I'd say go for it. But filing without the resources to win helps noone. Eventually if BioWare/EA never changes the endings then I'm sure it would be time to file.  Soon companies will be lying all the time in interviews never intending for anything to be in the final product.  It's time we held them accountable for the billion dollar business they are a part of.   So eventually it might be reasonable but not now.

Modifié par thunderhawk862002, 21 mars 2012 - 05:24 .

[Father_Jerusalem]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

The "movement" side, most of us can actually state legitimate problems about the ending, while being civil.

The other side? They say we hate it just because.

I'd like to point you to this thread, an opinion piece of why someone liked the ending and what they liked, it took 11 posts before he started getting attacked for liking it; 
http://social.biowar...5/index/9905757 

I'd also like to point you to my posts in this thread, starting with this post http://social.biowar...9097/2#10322138 where I try and explain what I liked about the ending.

[Jack Harper24]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

The "movement" side, most of us can actually state legitimate problems about the ending, while being civil.

The other side? They say we hate it just because.

Yeah, I agree with you on this one.

If you're a gamer, You'll like the game...Just like us.

If you're a fan, you don't like the ending...Just like us.

A lot of gamers only around here...^^