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[HenchxNarf]

Salis777 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

ragnorok87 wrote...


you are the vocal minority that likes the terrible ending and its a safe bet that you are probabily working for ea or bioware or are paid for such statements. actually the vast majority hate the endings as evidence on not just gaming sites but every single site where me3 is being discussed. look at the comments from paid off gaming sites like ign. ign gives a raving review, 99 percent of all responses are negative. hmmjm that doesnt sound like a minority to me. nope i got it you aree the minority.

Sigh.

*continues slamming his head against a brick wall*

Rule #1 - Don't reply to trolling

I learned that. Bliss ensued lol

[Vlad1113]

And you're dead right Salis777 dont feed the trolls. My apologies.

[Father_Jerusalem]

Vlad1113 wrote...

And you're dead right Salis777 dont feed the trolls. My apologies.

Just because we liked the ending doesn't make us trolls. GOD.

*slams his head against the brick wall harder*

[Jack Harper24]

I want a new ending...

But the ending is not that bad, Shepard can die but when you know you saved the universe for some damned race who are stuck in the helios system...

"We did it!...What! Everyone will stil die even if we saved them!..WTF!"

The end will be awesome when it will be more "Infamous 2" and less "Deus Ex:HR"

In Infamous the guy save the world and you know what happen next.(You can do that when you bring some fans along the years...)

Deus Ex(The end is pretty bad, bud still the guy saved the world even if the cutscene mean there is no hope...)

We don't deserve anything, we demand a better ending for Mass Effect because we think the game itself deserve it.

I want it because I enjoyed it, not because it was only a game like the others...

[Radwar]

"How long until this blows over?" This depends on Bioware/EA. As long as they ignore their customers complaints (polls show 80-90% of customoers hate the ending), the hatred will just keep on growing.

[Salis777]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Vlad1113 wrote...

And you're dead right Salis777 dont feed the trolls. My apologies.

Just because we liked the ending doesn't make us trolls. GOD.

*slams his head against the brick wall harder*

Dude get some sleep I didn't mean you, in fact I was defending you lol.

[thunderhawk862002]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...


At this time it's not good because you need some serious financial backing to go this route which people don't want to do now.  Eventually if BioWare never changes the endings then I'm sure it would be time to file.  Soon companies will be lying all the time in interviews never intending for anything to be in the final product.  It's time we held them accountable for the billion dollar business they are a part of.   So eventually it might be reasonable but not now.

So you're saying it's okay to sue a developer, literally sue a developer, because you don't like the ending to a video game? Is it okay to sue a movie studio because you don't like a movie? An author because you don't like how they ended a book? Where is the line drawn? How is this even remotely positive to anyone in any way?

Can you read?  Seriously.  Can you read? How many fricken times do I have to say IT IS NOT BECAUSE I DIDN'T LIKE THE ENDING.  You can sue someone for FALSE/DECEPTIVE ADVERTISING.  Unfortunately, the false advertisement is about the ending itself.   If a movie says Will Smith is featured in the ending, it better have Will Smith featured in the ending.  If an author says that the ending will bring back a certain character that was extremely popular and doesn't?  Yes, yes I would.  If it were that important to me as a consumer.

Edit: I am not suing anyone.  Although I did send complaints to the FTC/BBB.

"Eventually if BioWare never changes the endings then I'm sure it would be time to file." Your exact words. 

And this does not meet, in any way, the legal requirements for "false advertising", It's commonly accepted that hype and publicity are a part of any launch for any form of medium. If a band releases an album and says "Our best album ever!" You can't sue the if you disagree. 

"To establish that an advertisement is false, a plaintiff must prove five things: (1) a false statement of fact has been made about the advertiser's own or another person's goods, services, or commercial activity; (2) the statement either deceives or has the potential to deceive a substantial portion of its targeted audience; (3) the deception is also likely to affect the purchasing decisions of its audience; (4) the advertising involves goods or services in interstate commerce; and (5) the deception has either resulted in or is likely to result in injury to the plaintiff. The most heavily weighed factor is the advertisement's potential to injure a customer. The injury is usually attributed to money the consumer lost through a purchase that would not have been made had the advertisement not been misleading. False statements can be defined in two ways: those that are false on their face and those that are implicitly false."

The simple fact is that a "substantial portion of it's targeted audiience" paid no attention at all to quotes made by developers in online interviews.

Let me put it this way, if you could sue over this kind of thing, publicists would be out of business quicker than Lindsay Lohan showing up at a coke party.

I expect quotes like Best Ever, or Funniest Ever, or Action packed to be puffery.  But let's say Bob's Burgers opens up saying we have a huge selection of burgers to choose from and dozens of fixings to add.  They offer one bun type, one burger type and size, one cheese type, 2 sauces you can pick from, and the fixings are 3x sizes of onions, 3x sizes of pickles, 3x sizes of tomatoes, 3x sizes of lettuce shreds, ketchup, mayo, mustard, and relish.

Is that puffery or is that deception?  Oh and you have to pay $60 to get in before you can look at the final menu.

[Vlad1113]

Exactly Jack Harper24..the 'GAME 'deserves a better ending.

Not what it got. Ending a 97% brilliant story with a pot hole filled rush job is simply pushing loving fans away.

[Acidrain92]

Vlad1113 wrote...

Exactly Jack Harper24..the 'GAME 'deserves a better ending.

Not what it got. Ending a 97% brilliant story with a pot hole filled rush job is simply pushing loving fans away.

Anybody else find it funny how everybody is saying stuff like "97% brilliant story" like its a BAD thing?

[Father_Jerusalem]

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...


At this time it's not good because you need some serious financial backing to go this route which people don't want to do now.  Eventually if BioWare never changes the endings then I'm sure it would be time to file.  Soon companies will be lying all the time in interviews never intending for anything to be in the final product.  It's time we held them accountable for the billion dollar business they are a part of.   So eventually it might be reasonable but not now.

So you're saying it's okay to sue a developer, literally sue a developer, because you don't like the ending to a video game? Is it okay to sue a movie studio because you don't like a movie? An author because you don't like how they ended a book? Where is the line drawn? How is this even remotely positive to anyone in any way?

Can you read?  Seriously.  Can you read? How many fricken times do I have to say IT IS NOT BECAUSE I DIDN'T LIKE THE ENDING.  You can sue someone for FALSE/DECEPTIVE ADVERTISING.  Unfortunately, the false advertisement is about the ending itself.   If a movie says Will Smith is featured in the ending, it better have Will Smith featured in the ending.  If an author says that the ending will bring back a certain character that was extremely popular and doesn't?  Yes, yes I would.  If it were that important to me as a consumer.

Edit: I am not suing anyone.  Although I did send complaints to the FTC/BBB.

"Eventually if BioWare never changes the endings then I'm sure it would be time to file." Your exact words. 

And this does not meet, in any way, the legal requirements for "false advertising", It's commonly accepted that hype and publicity are a part of any launch for any form of medium. If a band releases an album and says "Our best album ever!" You can't sue the if you disagree. 

"To establish that an advertisement is false, a plaintiff must prove five things: (1) a false statement of fact has been made about the advertiser's own or another person's goods, services, or commercial activity; (2) the statement either deceives or has the potential to deceive a substantial portion of its targeted audience; (3) the deception is also likely to affect the purchasing decisions of its audience; (4) the advertising involves goods or services in interstate commerce; and (5) the deception has either resulted in or is likely to result in injury to the plaintiff. The most heavily weighed factor is the advertisement's potential to injure a customer. The injury is usually attributed to money the consumer lost through a purchase that would not have been made had the advertisement not been misleading. False statements can be defined in two ways: those that are false on their face and those that are implicitly false."

The simple fact is that a "substantial portion of it's targeted audiience" paid no attention at all to quotes made by developers in online interviews.

Let me put it this way, if you could sue over this kind of thing, publicists would be out of business quicker than Lindsay Lohan showing up at a coke party.

I expect quotes like Best Ever, or Funniest Ever, or Action packed to be puffery.  But let's say Bob's Burgers opens up saying we have a huge selection of burgers to choose from and dozens of fixings to add.  They offer one bun type, one burger type and size, one cheese type, 2 sauces you can pick from, and the fixings are 3x sizes of onions, 3x sizes of pickles, 3x sizes of tomatoes, 3x sizes of lettuce shreds, ketchup, mayo, mustard, and relish.

Is that puffery or is that deception?  Oh and you have to pay $60 to get in before you can look at the final menu.

But to win a false advertising case, you'd have to prove that their claim of "Multiple endings" is a lie. Which it isn't. There are multiple endings.

You'd have to prove "every choice you make will mean something" is a lie. Which it isn't. Your choices DO matter over the course of the game.

You'd have to prove all their statements are lies, not exaggerations, not things that simply didn't meet your expectations, flat-out deceptions. And they're not. I've already stated this, but of that long list of "lies" that people claim BioWare told, there is, in fact, only ONE lie.

That you don't need multiplayer to get the best ending. That is a lie, because there is no way to get 4000 EMS in single-player alone. So.. good luck suing them over that. Really, you'll need it.

[Jack Harper24]

Acidrain92 wrote...

Vlad1113 wrote...

Exactly Jack Harper24..the 'GAME 'deserves a better ending.

Not what it got. Ending a 97% brilliant story with a pot hole filled rush job is simply pushing loving fans away.

Anybody else find it funny how everybody is saying stuff like "97% brilliant story" like its a BAD thing?

When you are a true fan you see it like this... ''

[Artemis_Entrari]

I think I said this already, but I do think that BioWare's silence is because they DO hope that it will just "blow over".  The longer they stay silent, the more chance that the disgruntled will just get up and leave, or some on the fence will finally cool off and support BioWare again.

I'm pretty sure that's exactly what's been mandated from high up.  Just keep quiet, let the fans rage for a bit, then hope that in a month or two the most vocal detractors will have left, and BioWare can then come out from their hiding place and charm whoever is left with tidbits of information of Dragon Age 3.

I will be shocked ... literally stunned into silence if BioWare actually addressed this issue within the next month.  And when I say addressed, I don't mean simply post a news release and say a bunch of nothing like Casey Hudson's recent release.  But address it in some kind of DLC or add-on (like Broken Steel) that a lot of fans actually want.

[Father_Jerusalem]

Acidrain92 wrote...

Vlad1113 wrote...

Exactly Jack Harper24..the 'GAME 'deserves a better ending.

Not what it got. Ending a 97% brilliant story with a pot hole filled rush job is simply pushing loving fans away.

Anybody else find it funny how everybody is saying stuff like "97% brilliant story" like its a BAD thing?

Given that "literature" these days consists of "Twilight" and James Patterson and John Grisham shlock, I'd KILL for "97% brilliant story" in ANY medium.

[thunderhawk862002]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...


At this time it's not good because you need some serious financial backing to go this route which people don't want to do now.  Eventually if BioWare never changes the endings then I'm sure it would be time to file.  Soon companies will be lying all the time in interviews never intending for anything to be in the final product.  It's time we held them accountable for the billion dollar business they are a part of.   So eventually it might be reasonable but not now.

So you're saying it's okay to sue a developer, literally sue a developer, because you don't like the ending to a video game? Is it okay to sue a movie studio because you don't like a movie? An author because you don't like how they ended a book? Where is the line drawn? How is this even remotely positive to anyone in any way?

Can you read?  Seriously.  Can you read? How many fricken times do I have to say IT IS NOT BECAUSE I DIDN'T LIKE THE ENDING.  You can sue someone for FALSE/DECEPTIVE ADVERTISING.  Unfortunately, the false advertisement is about the ending itself.   If a movie says Will Smith is featured in the ending, it better have Will Smith featured in the ending.  If an author says that the ending will bring back a certain character that was extremely popular and doesn't?  Yes, yes I would.  If it were that important to me as a consumer.

Edit: I am not suing anyone.  Although I did send complaints to the FTC/BBB.

"Eventually if BioWare never changes the endings then I'm sure it would be time to file." Your exact words. 

And this does not meet, in any way, the legal requirements for "false advertising", It's commonly accepted that hype and publicity are a part of any launch for any form of medium. If a band releases an album and says "Our best album ever!" You can't sue the if you disagree. 

"To establish that an advertisement is false, a plaintiff must prove five things: (1) a false statement of fact has been made about the advertiser's own or another person's goods, services, or commercial activity; (2) the statement either deceives or has the potential to deceive a substantial portion of its targeted audience; (3) the deception is also likely to affect the purchasing decisions of its audience; (4) the advertising involves goods or services in interstate commerce; and (5) the deception has either resulted in or is likely to result in injury to the plaintiff. The most heavily weighed factor is the advertisement's potential to injure a customer. The injury is usually attributed to money the consumer lost through a purchase that would not have been made had the advertisement not been misleading. False statements can be defined in two ways: those that are false on their face and those that are implicitly false."

The simple fact is that a "substantial portion of it's targeted audiience" paid no attention at all to quotes made by developers in online interviews.

Let me put it this way, if you could sue over this kind of thing, publicists would be out of business quicker than Lindsay Lohan showing up at a coke party.

I expect quotes like Best Ever, or Funniest Ever, or Action packed to be puffery.  But let's say Bob's Burgers opens up saying we have a huge selection of burgers to choose from and dozens of fixings to add.  They offer one bun type, one burger type and size, one cheese type, 2 sauces you can pick from, and the fixings are 3x sizes of onions, 3x sizes of pickles, 3x sizes of tomatoes, 3x sizes of lettuce shreds, ketchup, mayo, mustard, and relish.

Is that puffery or is that deception?  Oh and you have to pay $60 to get in before you can look at the final menu.

But to win a false advertising case, you'd have to prove that their claim of "Multiple endings" is a lie. Which it isn't. There are multiple endings.

You'd have to prove "every choice you make will mean something" is a lie. Which it isn't. Your choices DO matter over the course of the game.

You'd have to prove all their statements are lies, not exaggerations, not things that simply didn't meet your expectations, flat-out deceptions. And they're not. I've already stated this, but of that long list of "lies" that people claim BioWare told, there is, in fact, only ONE lie.

That you don't need multiplayer to get the best ending. That is a lie, because there is no way to get 4000 EMS in single-player alone. So.. good luck suing them over that. Really, you'll need it.

Judging by information in Mass Effect 2, technically all endings could be the same.  We don't know because there's no epilogue stating whether or not it happened the same way with the same outcome.

[Jack Harper24]

After all, I'm sure we won't have an other ending...

But, still think that Mass Effect deserves something better...

[Father_Jerusalem]

thunderhawk862002 wrote...


Judging by information in Mass Effect 2, technically all endings could be the same.  We don't know because there's no epilogue stating whether or not it happened the same way with the same outcome.

It's not "technically" all endings could be the same, it's "I think" all endings could be the same. There's a massive difference. TECHNICALLY there are multiple endings simply based on the color that the Crucible fires, and that's enough to not be able to sue on the claim that they lied about multiple endings.

[StephanieBengal]

This is certainly gonna be awhile for a certain number of people, but with all things it will pass.

[garf]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Salis777 wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

You have to understand that sometimes a few speaks for the many if their voices and actions are loud enough. We have no problems with most of the movement, its the ones that literally don't allow people to have opinions other than their own. And the majority of the time when names are thrown around, its towards them, not you, not towards the ones who don't deserve it.

Don't allow you to have opinions??  A lot of people are upset, regardless of what either of us feel,  I'd say avoid them for now and let the storm die down.  It's like going up to 10,000 protestors and saying 'Hey guys I really think you are wrong and here's why...'

No one's forcing you to read/respond.  Personally I don't pick a side in this I just find it very interesting as a development in the gaming industry, mostly from a business perspective.

What I meant by that is that anytime a positive/pro-ending post, they get trolled right off the forum for saying they like the game as a whole.

Not all such... "I like the Endings" posts were as innocent as you imply. I'm sorry. some very clearly condescended to the rest of us. One even pitched things in terms of "Since x y z are true and I am saying X, you're wrong... Checkmate"

I think any trolling by Retake supporters was a mistake and many of us are encouraging those around us to keep it civil. But Not all posts in favour of the endings were merely 'innocent opinion peices' .. just saying.

[Acidrain92]

Edit: Accidental Post. Wrong thread.

Modifié par Acidrain92, 21 mars 2012 - 06:30 .

[AlienWolf728]

Wow.
I read this whole thread and stayed sane.
I think.

[Dandynermite]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Vlad1113 wrote...

And you're dead right Salis777 dont feed the trolls. My apologies.

Just because we liked the ending doesn't make us trolls. GOD.

*slams his head against the brick wall harder*

Your talking about liking the ending, yet you haven't even registered a single mass effect game. Seems to me that is quite troll-like...

[Jestina]

Once the stench of Bioware's next dookie bomb hits, people will move on to talking about that.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Yeah. It'll blow over when the next game comes out.

Modifié par CrustyBot, 21 mars 2012 - 09:33 .