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[IanPolaris]

I give it about two months before the furor dies down but this will be an important two months (btw synthesis is the Saren option. I hope you like being a Reaper husk.)

In consulting there are generally three things that will happen when a serious problem like the endings comes up (and it is a serious problem):

1. The problem 'goes away'. Given that DA2 is still loathed more than a year later, I don't think this problem is going to "go away".

2. The problem 'solves itself'. This would be the optimum thing to do, and if Bioware were smart, they'd take the fan-fiction "indoctrination" theory and run with it even if it wasn't the original intent and give an alternate OPTIONAL ending that better reflects the overall game and our choices in it (which was promised after all).

3. The problem gets so big it destroys the company. Sadly I think this is the likeliest. Gamers have been giving Bioware a pass for some time now, but I think after DA2, TOR, and now ME3 that Bioware's streetcred has just about run out and without street cred, a software dev company doesn't stay in business for long.

-Polaris

[HenchxNarf]

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

^

A prime example of why it is hard for others to take the "movement" seriously.

I can't take anyone who says "zomg Space Magic!" seriously. I just can't.

[HenchxNarf]

Artemis_Entrari wrote...

Faust1979 wrote...
I'm merely sick of being called a troll or a sheep for having a different opinion than a few other people

And we're sick of being called whiners or babies or entitled for having a different opinion than you do.

It's quite simple if you don't want to constantly read negativity.  Stay out of those threads.  It's common sense which ones will be negative.  If you see a thread titled "These endings suck", chances are the topic will be about the endings sucking, and not the kind of thread you want to read.

I don't go into positive threads where people are talking about how much they loved the ending, because I realize that's not the stuff I'm in the mood to read at the moment.  It's just common sense.

Kind of hard to stay out of those threads when 99% of the threads on BSN are whining.

[Salis777]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

If somone posts a positive comment about the endings they are immeaditely branded "Bio-drones" and "trolls"

Unless you buy into the rather far fetched "indoctrination" theory there is nothing possitive to say about the endings. They fail on every possible level.

No, they don't. It depends on your approach to the endings, and if you're looking for conventional closure, then it will likely fail for you if having every last detail explained is the metric by which you judge it. Undoubtedly, this won't be popular, but this author explains his point of view. In fact, what he says about why he chose Synthesis is pretty much what I've been saying all along.

http://www.rockpaper...fect-3s-ending/

Cue attacks involving how that author just doesn't get it, or was bought off, or whatever else it is some people in the "movement" usually do if someone doesn't agree with your hatred of the endings.

I just don't get why people are trying to go in to so much detail about the endings.  A majority of people are clearly displeased with it, why try and justify what's right with it?  If you're happy then great, go on with your life. 

A lot of people aren't, and I don't think debating it is going to fix that.  There are a billion threads from thousands of people about what they want fixed, and Bioware get to decide whether they'll fix it.  That's it.

[bleachorange]

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

bleachorange wrote...
Unless you use your brain and read this. I also have a nice blog about it, if you're interested.

:wizard:Spaaaace MAGIC!!!

^

A prime example of why it is hard for others to take the "movement" seriously.

I'm not afraid to quote myself out of context. And I have finally moved from anger (after bargaining) into ridicule. Because clearly, unless I state something offensive, no one even pays attention to what I say. I have posted these same things in threads for you to read before, Creeper, as you clearly didn't have time to read this.

[Zunzun]

Logan Cloud wrote...

FemmeShep wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

If somone posts a positive comment about the endings they are immeaditely branded "Bio-drones" and "trolls"

Unless you buy into the rather far fetched "indoctrination" theory there is nothing possitive to say about the endings. They fail on every possible level.

No, they don't. It depends on your approach to the endings, and if you're looking for conventional closure, then it will likely fail for you if having every last detail explained is the metric by which you judge it. Undoubtedly, this won't be popular, but this author explains his point of view. In fact, what he says about why he chose Synthesis is pretty much what I've been saying all along.

http://www.rockpaper...fect-3s-ending/

Cue attacks involving how that author just doesn't get it, or was bought off, or whatever else it is some people in the "movement" usually do if someone doesn't agree with your hatred of the endings.

Wrong. The endings are only positive if you can ignore how it doesn't fit in with the rest of the plot (from a continutiy perspective). And ignore the ridiculous reasons that Shepard sacrificed himself for.

Saving the galaxy was ridiculous?

You mean blowing it up ?

[Kerilus]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

If somone posts a positive comment about the endings they are immeaditely branded "Bio-drones" and "trolls"

Unless you buy into the rather far fetched "indoctrination" theory there is nothing possitive to say about the endings. They fail on every possible level.

No, they don't. It depends on your approach to the endings, and if you're looking for conventional closure, then it will likely fail for you if having every last detail explained is the metric by which you judge it. Undoubtedly, this won't be popular, but this author explains his point of view. In fact, what he says about why he chose Synthesis is pretty much what I've been saying all along.

http://www.rockpaper...fect-3s-ending/

Cue attacks involving how that author just doesn't get it, or was bought off, or whatever else it is some people in the "movement" usually do if someone doesn't agree with your hatred of the endings.

He talks about wanting closure, detail and variety based on our choices as "conventional closure" with a hint of us being old-timers and should get over ourselves, while branding this hollow, rushly designed(three endings being so visually similar) and "choice based on choice" theory as a new thing almost like we should embrace it.
Tell me, say, in DA:O, the choice you made at the end, was that not also a choice based upon the various choices you made that shaped your character?
And we can see some of our choice came to fruition in the game, can't we not so in DA:O?  So what does these bullcrap "new" "unconventional" endings have that  "conventional closure" does not?
Face it, his argument can only point out the obvious:ME3 could have been a good game without those endings.

[MongoChuck]

When Diablo 3 enters the market. Everyone will drop what they have in their hands, leave their children at the supermarket, quit their jobs and educations.

[LegendaryBlade]

When Bioware fixes the endings

[Costin_Razvan]

Will it ever be forgotten? I kinda doubt it.

As for the Retake ME3 movement...give it a a few months at most.

[Gnaeus.Silvanus]

How long until this blows over?

Until we all stop crying about the indoctrination ending and accept Bioware's slimy krogan-quads laced lollipop.

[GME_ThorianCreeper]

slyguy200 wrote...

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

...

Yah I know it is probably hard for you to believe this, but that key word pertains to both sides, we all THINK we are right in our minds. When it is all simply just opinion on BOTH sides (yes including yours)

I have been right... but i guess that it was just my opinion... then wait wouldn't that make your "opinion" opinion an opinion any  way i have proven wrong most of the end supporting sides points wrong however hard it may be for tham to admit it. And taking this argumant up with me will get you nowhere in all of this. I don't see how it relates to anything other than your OPINION. Oh, and thus far i have been right maybe not about this (even if it does make what i have said so far opinion) but about the majority of the rest.

I don't understand how you do not get this.  They're saying the exact same thing about you. That whole paragraph right up there you just wrote, Someone on the other side can say that exact same thing. Which is why you both think you are right.  

Sorry if this is off topic but it is the only example I can think of.

Republicans and Democrats both argue all the time about their viewpoints here in the US.  Each side genuinely thinks they are right and have their "proof" to back it up.

That is exactly what is going on here, I don't understand how you don't get that, therefore I am no longer going to talk about it.

[Shinobu]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

If somone posts a positive comment about the endings they are immeaditely branded "Bio-drones" and "trolls"

Unless you buy into the rather far fetched "indoctrination" theory there is nothing possitive to say about the endings. They fail on every possible level.

No, they don't. It depends on your approach to the endings, and if you're looking for conventional closure, then it will likely fail for you if having every last detail explained is the metric by which you judge it. Undoubtedly, this won't be popular, but this author explains his point of view. In fact, what he says about why he chose Synthesis is pretty much what I've been saying all along.

http://www.rockpaper...fect-3s-ending/

Cue attacks involving how that author just doesn't get it, or was bought off, or whatever else it is some people in the "movement" usually do if someone doesn't agree with your hatred of the endings.

It was an interesting read, but as I said in the first thread that was made about it: The author's decision to play the games only ONCE likely helped his ability to accept the ending. Also, he didn't know if peace between two of the races was possible in every game and didn't care, which indicates he's not very invested in the game.

Bioware doesn't want customers to play their games *once*. They want customers who will geek out over the games and play DLC, buy comics and shirts and models and lithographs and books and guides and mousepads. So while a casual gamer like the author might buy three games, the hard core fan will buy the games but also buy hundreds of dollars more in swag, talk the game up and convert his geeky friends, who will also go on to buy the games & swag.

Right now Bioware is deciding between pleasing the "hardcore fans" (the few who will buy a lot) or the "casual gamers" (the many who will buy some). Maybe Bioware hopes it will cultivate a different group to be its new "hardcore fans," sort of like the struggling actor who dumps his supportive but plain wife to try for the bombshell actress once he feels he's "made it."

Hell hath no fury like a fanbase scorned.

[bleachorange]

Logan Cloud wrote...

Zunzun wrote...

You mean blowing it up ?

No one really died, so no.

We can't count the Avatar?

[Farbautisonn]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Kind of hard to stay out of those threads when 99% of the threads on BSN are whining.

-You do realize that you yourself is whining... about the whiners? 

[MAG Baxter]

Has anyone thought the sequences were not in the correct order, maybe if your Sheperd lived time mine did 1st time around im happy to say, maybe he wakes up before the crucible fires the normandy picks him up, joker tries to flee the Sol relay not knowing the explosion would travel the galaxy and then they crash, it would have been better if they crashed on Earth in the sahara desert or next to the pyramids with a reaper lying down next to the pyramids, that sounds like a better ending already.

[HenchxNarf]

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

slyguy200 wrote...

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

...

Yah I know it is probably hard for you to believe this, but that key word pertains to both sides, we all THINK we are right in our minds. When it is all simply just opinion on BOTH sides (yes including yours)

I have been right... but i guess that it was just my opinion... then wait wouldn't that make your "opinion" opinion an opinion any  way i have proven wrong most of the end supporting sides points wrong however hard it may be for tham to admit it. And taking this argumant up with me will get you nowhere in all of this. I don't see how it relates to anything other than your OPINION. Oh, and thus far i have been right maybe not about this (even if it does make what i have said so far opinion) but about the majority of the rest.

I don't understand how you do not get this.  They're saying the exact same thing about you. That whole paragraph right up there you just wrote, Someone on the other side can say that exact same thing. Which is why you both think you are right.  

Sorry if this is off topic but it is the only example I can think of.

Republicans and Democrats both argue all the time about their viewpoints here in the US.  Each side genuinely thinks they are right and have their "proof" to back it up.

That is exactly what is going on here, I don't understand how you don't get that, therefore I am no longer going to talk about it.

He's flamebaiting you. Don't feed the troll, friend.

[AtreiyaN7]

Zunzun wrote...

Logan Cloud wrote...

Saving the galaxy was ridiculous?

You mean blowing it up ?

We destroyed the relay network - we clearly didn't destroy individual star systems. Got something better than that?

[bleachorange]

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

Republicans and Democrats both argue all the time about their viewpoints here in the US.  Each side genuinely thinks they are right and have their "proof" to back it up.

That is exactly what is going on here, I don't understand how you don't get that, therefore I am no longer going to talk about it.

But you can still type about it, correct?

[Artemis_Entrari]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Artemis_Entrari wrote...

Faust1979 wrote...
I'm merely sick of being called a troll or a sheep for having a different opinion than a few other people

And we're sick of being called whiners or babies or entitled for having a different opinion than you do.

It's quite simple if you don't want to constantly read negativity.  Stay out of those threads.  It's common sense which ones will be negative.  If you see a thread titled "These endings suck", chances are the topic will be about the endings sucking, and not the kind of thread you want to read.

I don't go into positive threads where people are talking about how much they loved the ending, because I realize that's not the stuff I'm in the mood to read at the moment.  It's just common sense.

Kind of hard to stay out of those threads when 99% of the threads on BSN are whining.

So create your own thread to discuss what you liked about the game?  Or bump a thread that's already discussing the great stuff in the game?  Have you done either of those things?  And if so, why not keep reading the responses in those threads rather than clicking on threads you don't like the subject matter of?

It just seems easier for folks to just enter threads they don't agree with to troll, rather than, you know, create a thread or bump a thread that they DO agree with.