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[HenchxNarf]

Artemis_Entrari wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Artemis_Entrari wrote...

Faust1979 wrote...
I'm merely sick of being called a troll or a sheep for having a different opinion than a few other people

And we're sick of being called whiners or babies or entitled for having a different opinion than you do.

It's quite simple if you don't want to constantly read negativity.  Stay out of those threads.  It's common sense which ones will be negative.  If you see a thread titled "These endings suck", chances are the topic will be about the endings sucking, and not the kind of thread you want to read.

I don't go into positive threads where people are talking about how much they loved the ending, because I realize that's not the stuff I'm in the mood to read at the moment.  It's just common sense.

Kind of hard to stay out of those threads when 99% of the threads on BSN are whining.

So create your own thread to discuss what you liked about the game?  Or bump a thread that's already discussing the great stuff in the game?  Have you done either of those things?  And if so, why not keep reading the responses in those threads rather than clicking on threads you don't like the subject matter of?

It just seems easier for folks to just enter threads they don't agree with to troll, rather than, you know, create a thread or bump a thread that they DO agree with.

I have, actually. And I got wishes of harm on me. 

The thing is we CAN'T make threads being positive because we get trolled out of our own threads.

[Shinobu]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Artemis_Entrari wrote...

It's quite simple if you don't want to constantly read negativity.  Stay out of those threads.  It's common sense which ones will be negative.  If you see a thread titled "These endings suck", chances are the topic will be about the endings sucking, and not the kind of thread you want to read.

I don't go into positive threads where people are talking about how much they loved the ending, because I realize that's not the stuff I'm in the mood to read at the moment.  It's just common sense.

Kind of hard to stay out of those threads when 99% of the threads on BSN are whining.

Soo... you click on threads randomly and then say:

"Dammit, not another one of THESE?!"

Try reading the thread title. Just sayin'.

Modifié par Shinobu, 21 mars 2012 - 12:30 .

[Eulalia Danae]

Logan Cloud wrote...

FemmeShep wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

If somone posts a positive comment about the endings they are immeaditely branded "Bio-drones" and "trolls"

Unless you buy into the rather far fetched "indoctrination" theory there is nothing possitive to say about the endings. They fail on every possible level.

No, they don't. It depends on your approach to the endings, and if you're looking for conventional closure, then it will likely fail for you if having every last detail explained is the metric by which you judge it. Undoubtedly, this won't be popular, but this author explains his point of view. In fact, what he says about why he chose Synthesis is pretty much what I've been saying all along.

http://www.rockpaper...fect-3s-ending/

Cue attacks involving how that author just doesn't get it, or was bought off, or whatever else it is some people in the "movement" usually do if someone doesn't agree with your hatred of the endings.

Wrong. The endings are only positive if you can ignore how it doesn't fit in with the rest of the plot (from a continutiy perspective). And ignore the ridiculous reasons that Shepard sacrificed himself for.

Saving the galaxy was ridiculous?

What does saving the galaxy mean to you? Simply getting rid of the reapers? Because last I checked the reapers don't actually destroy galaxies.

[Shinobu]

HenchxNarf wrote...

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I have, actually. And I got wishes of harm on me. 

The thing is we CAN'T make threads being positive because we get trolled out of our own threads.

I'm sorry you felt threatened in your own thread. That is not acceptable.

But you know what? Trolls leave if you don't let them get to you. Be polite and firm, then report them if they don't go away.

Modifié par Shinobu, 21 mars 2012 - 12:33 .

[foo man chew]

Probably until bioware answers people.Why have spoilers section if you cant announce stuff about the ending until people are done playing it.It sounds to me that bioware is dragging this on more than the fans.Just my opinion

[bleachorange]

Shinobu wrote...

slyguy200 wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

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I have, actually. And I got wishes of harm on me. 

The thing is we CAN'T make threads being positive because we get trolled out of our own threads.

What was it called and what was the topic, because that may have been your reason.

You just need to be polite and firm. Pretend they're puppies.

I know how we'll solve all our problems with trolls, haters, and people who can't read titles!!!

Spaaaaace MAGIC!!!

[AtreiyaN7]

Kerilus wrote...


He talks about wanting closure, detail and variety based on our choices as "conventional closure" with a hint of us being old-timers and should get over ourselves, while branding this hollow, rushly designed(three endings being so visually similar) and "choice based on choice" theory as a new thing almost like we should embrace it.
Tell me, say, in DA:O, the choice you made at the end, was that not also a choice based upon the various choices you made that shaped your character?
And we can see some of our choice came to fruition in the game, can't we not so in DA:O?  So what does these bullcrap "new" "unconventional" endings have that  "conventional closure" does not?
Face it, his argument can only point out the obvious:ME3 could have been a good game without those endings.

Some of us found deeper meaning in the endings than others because we there were ideas/themes that were more important to us than being focused on getting bullet points - that's all that it means. And his argument does no such thing like pointing out that "ME3 could have bee na good game without those endings." If you hated them for specific reasons, you're certainly entitled to, it only show that there are those who did like the endings and have their own perfectly valid reasons for doing so.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 21 mars 2012 - 12:35 .

[Launcifer]

foo man chew wrote...

Probably until bioware answers people.Why have spoilers section if you cant announce stuff about the ending until people are done playing it.It sounds to me that bioware is dragging this on more than the fans.Just my opinion

Thing is, though, that I really can respect the fact that Bioware doesn't want to wade in and start saying, "this is what we were aiming for" or "this is what we believe we achieved with this ending", in part because certain sections of the fanbase are going to take it as a mea culpa that the company screwed up even if it's not actually the case and also because there's the simple fact that spilling the beans on the ending will probably damage profits precisely because it spoils the endings - like 'em or not - for people who have yet to play the game. This whole business has probably done enough of that already: the company won't willingly do it into the bargain and compound that problem.

[gallenger]

All bioware has to do at the moment is announce that they're producing an ending DLC.

Even if they do it or not the hate will almost instantly blow over, and even if they churn out a crappy product it will most likely kill the movement and the anger. Obviously, churning out a bad "ending" dlc is dangerous, but it will divide the population even further between those who are OK with ME3's original ending, those who are OK with the DLC ending, and those still unhappy.

[bleachorange]

They DID SCREW UP. I don't need a statement to understand that.

[Kerilus]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Kerilus wrote...


He talks about wanting closure, detail and variety based on our choices as "conventional closure" with a hint of us being old-timers and should get over ourselves, while branding this hollow, rushly designed(three endings being so visually similar) and "choice based on choice" theory as a new thing almost like we should embrace it.
Tell me, say, in DA:O, the choice you made at the end, was that not also a choice based upon the various choices you made that shaped your character?
And we can see some of our choice came to fruition in the game, can't we not so in DA:O?  So what does these bullcrap "new" "unconventional" endings have that  "conventional closure" does not?
Face it, his argument can only point out the obvious:ME3 could have been a good game without those endings.

Some of us found deeper meaning in the endings than others because we there were ideas/themes that were more important to us than being focused on getting bullet points - that's all that it means. And his argument does no such thing like pointing out that "ME3 could have bee na good game without those endings." If you hated them for specific reasons, you're certainly entitled to, it only show that there are those who did like the endings and have their own perfectly valid reasons for doing so.

No, his reasons are invalid because he failed to point out just exactly how  the hollow, lackluster endings we're getting are superior to "conventional endings" while they lack in details, variety and even artistic difference (major difference being colours, you would justify being fooled like that? really?), and therefore, although not his intention apparently, he could only point out the fact that ME could have been great without such crappy endings.

[Salis777]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Kerilus wrote...


He talks about wanting closure, detail and variety based on our choices as "conventional closure" with a hint of us being old-timers and should get over ourselves, while branding this hollow, rushly designed(three endings being so visually similar) and "choice based on choice" theory as a new thing almost like we should embrace it.
Tell me, say, in DA:O, the choice you made at the end, was that not also a choice based upon the various choices you made that shaped your character?
And we can see some of our choice came to fruition in the game, can't we not so in DA:O?  So what does these bullcrap "new" "unconventional" endings have that  "conventional closure" does not?
Face it, his argument can only point out the obvious:ME3 could have been a good game without those endings.

Some of us found deeper meaning in the endings than others because we there were ideas/themes that were more important to us than being focused on getting bullet points - that's all that it means. And his argument does no such thing like pointing out that "ME3 could have bee na good game without those endings." If you hated them for specific reasons, you're certainly entitled to, it only show that there are those who did like the endings and have their own perfectly valid reasons for doing so.

And that's great and I bet a lot of people are actually jealous because they wished they liked the endings too.  But you have to admit it was a very singular affair and didn't branch out to any extent or give any kind of closure or epilogue.  Which has been a signature mark of bioware for 10+ years. 

You made your mark, had your Shepard finish in a way that worked for you, the other 90% want to be there too!

[Sanjuro151]

Dridengx wrote...

slyguy200 wrote...

Don't kid yourselves you and your kind do the same thing i have even seen you yourself not being "constructive" and if you aren't constructive in your arguments then those who reply (provided they do reply) won't be either especially if you insult people in the process, and calling them whiney children doesn't help. you are bringing it on yourselves
 just saying...

Me and my kind? What exactly is 'my kind' are you being racist? Your definition of constructive could be flawed and as much as I enjoy you trying to speak for everyone who agrees with you, I believe they all think differently on this matter. I have not insulted anyone, infact, they insult themselves with facts and figures they pull out of their rear and believe them.

Well, some studies do show that being told you are whining like a child, would make people want to change how they are viewed or precieved, although it seems here their passion for a video game ending outweights their care of personal image.

I'm bringing this on myself? Really? I made Mass Effect 3? I made you hate it? I made you protest? I made you troll forums daily and insult people? I made you enter good threads and troll them? I made you do all that? I brought that all on myself huh?

All I did was give my opinion on how much I enjoyed this game and people like you attacked me for it. lol. now you know why people call you children? it's always someone else's fault, no responsibility for your actions

Racist? Really?

[AtreiyaN7]

Artemis_Entrari wrote...

So create your own thread to discuss what you liked about the game?  Or bump a thread that's already discussing the great stuff in the game?  Have you done either of those things?  And if so, why not keep reading the responses in those threads rather than clicking on threads you don't like the subject matter of?

It just seems easier for folks to just enter threads they don't agree with to troll, rather than, you know, create a thread or bump a thread that they DO agree with.

Funny thing - people who like the endings have started their own threads, only guess what, people from the "movement" tend to show up and demand justifications and explanations, usually followed by throwing around insults. OR people in the "movement" start threads wondering how any of us can possibly like the endings - and then they proceed to demand justifications and explanations, usually followed by throwing around insults. One new favorite seems to be "you can't possibly like the endings and be a true/long-term fan."

The only thing that people in the "movement" seem to be okay with is having other people agree with them constantly. Otherwise, look out.

[bleachorange]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Funny thing - people who like the endings have started their own threads, only guess what, people from the "movement" tend to show up and demand justifications and explanations, usually followed by throwing around insults. OR people in the "movement" start threads wondering how any of us can possibly like the endings - and then they proceed to demand justifications and explanations, usually followed by throwing around insults. One new favorite seems to be "you can't possibly like the endings and be a true/long-term fan."

The only thing that people in the "movement" seem to be okay with is having other people agree with them constantly. Otherwise, look out.

I just think I have a more logical mind that notices things like plot holes the size of a missing supernova. But maybe that's just me and the other 50,000 crazies.

[AtreiyaN7]

Eulalia Danae wrote...

What does saving the galaxy mean to you? Simply getting rid of the reapers? Because last I checked the reapers don't actually destroy galaxies.

And if the galaxy had been destroyed as you claim, there would have been no Normandy epilogue, nor would there have been a coda. So I'm sorry, but the galaxy is in fact still there with people still alive on distant worlds in the future, and preserving life was one of our goals.

[Shinobu]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Kerilus wrote...


He talks about wanting closure, detail and variety based on our choices as "conventional closure" with a hint of us being old-timers and should get over ourselves, while branding this hollow, rushly designed(three endings being so visually similar) and "choice based on choice" theory as a new thing almost like we should embrace it.
Tell me, say, in DA:O, the choice you made at the end, was that not also a choice based upon the various choices you made that shaped your character?
And we can see some of our choice came to fruition in the game, can't we not so in DA:O?  So what does these bullcrap "new" "unconventional" endings have that  "conventional closure" does not?
Face it, his argument can only point out the obvious:ME3 could have been a good game without those endings.

Some of us found deeper meaning in the endings than others because we there were ideas/themes that were more important to us than being focused on getting bullet points - that's all that it means. And his argument does no such thing like pointing out that "ME3 could have bee na good game without those endings." If you hated them for specific reasons, you're certainly entitled to, it only show that there are those who did like the endings and have their own perfectly valid reasons for doing so.

I'm glad you like the endings. I wish I did.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

This won't blow over until there's a direct answer from Bioware about the ending.

Ask again later.^^

[aries1001]

Given the reaction to DA2 a month from now, ot 6-8 weeks, I think. When DA2 came out, people were divided as well. However, the response from the DA2 was much clearer in what they were trying to do. I really think Casey Hudson needs to come clean and tell us - the fans - both on the BSN and elsewhere - what Bioware had in mind when creating the endings.

Alsom I noticed that someone (don't remember who, sorry :bash: ) posted a bit about one of their friends being bewildered by the end of ME3 and even asking him (the guy who made the post) if he had done something wrong. And here is the problem or amybe rather the challenge for Bioware it seems, his friend that asked the question above nearly only play games like Gears of War and Call of Duty. And if Bioware starts to lose these fans, then.....you're smart, you can figure out what I'm going to say....

The point is this: People have a lot of different reason to play games, some play for the action like the person's friend mentioned above. However, those who play for the action still wants a sense of accomplishment a sense of beating the game. So my wish is this - for all future Bioware games: Please remember, Biwoare that you're making games, too. I know you want to tell stories and all and that is fine. But the player or game needs to feel a sense of accomplishment in the final hours of the game....and especially after the final scene in the game. Even if it means that the main character has to make the toughest decision of them all - he or she would still go down fighting...

[Artemis_Entrari]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...
Funny thing - people who like the endings have started their own threads, only guess what, people from the "movement" tend to show up and demand justifications and explanations, usually followed by throwing around insults. OR people in the "movement" start threads wondering how any of us can possibly like the endings - and then they proceed to demand justifications and explanations, usually followed by throwing around insults. One new favorite seems to be "you can't possibly like the endings and be a true/long-term fan."

The only thing that people in the "movement" seem to be okay with is having other people agree with them constantly. Otherwise, look out.

What's wrong with the bolded part?  A discussion can involve two points of view, with both parties outlining why they agree/disagree with a topic.  If people disagree with your view, but give actual reasons rather than throwing around insults, then why is that a problem?

I don't like the ending.  I hate the ending.  I think it was lazy work on BioWare's behalf.  Worse, I think they mislead people with their pre-release advertising about choice.  But if someone disagrees with my opinion and states their point in a concise and indepth way, I'll read it.  I may not agree with it, but I'll respect the view and respond in kind.

The problem is, when you start labeling anyone who didn't like the ending as "whiners" or "entitled" or any other such insult, and don't really bring a cohesive argument to the table other than to post one line insults, you get threads that turn into flame wars.

And yes, this applies to both sides.

Can you open up a single thread without someone on the "positivity" side calling people whiners or entitled or babies?  So please don't make it sound like the only people who are "trolling threads" are those who are upset with the ending, and that all those who like the ending are civil and respectful toward those with dissenting opinions.

[bleachorange]

aries1001 wrote...

 I really think Casey Hudson needs to come clean and tell us - the fans - both on the BSN and elsewhere - what Bioware had in mind when creating the endings.

I think they were giving us the bird in an artful manner.

[Faust1979]

aries1001 wrote...

Given the reaction to DA2 a month from now, ot 6-8 weeks, I think. When DA2 came out, people were divided as well. However, the response from the DA2 was much clearer in what they were trying to do. I really think Casey Hudson needs to come clean and tell us - the fans - both on the BSN and elsewhere - what Bioware had in mind when creating the endings.

Alsom I noticed that someone (don't remember who, sorry :bash: ) posted a bit about one of their friends being bewildered by the end of ME3 and even asking him (the guy who made the post) if he had done something wrong. And here is the problem or amybe rather the challenge for Bioware it seems, his friend that asked the question above nearly only play games like Gears of War and Call of Duty. And if Bioware starts to lose these fans, then.....you're smart, you can figure out what I'm going to say....

The point is this: People have a lot of different reason to play games, some play for the action like the person's friend mentioned above. However, those who play for the action still wants a sense of accomplishment a sense of beating the game. So my wish is this - for all future Bioware games: Please remember, Biwoare that you're making games, too. I know you want to tell stories and all and that is fine. But the player or game needs to feel a sense of accomplishment in the final hours of the game....and especially after the final scene in the game. Even if it means that the main character has to make the toughest decision of them all - he or she would still go down fighting...

I'm tired of Bioware games having all the same ending though, they pretty much to do I like Bioware wanted to do something new with their ending keeps thing from becoming repetitive.

[Icinix]

FemmeShep wrote...

Icinix wrote...

It will probably blow over in a month or two like you said.

But this on top of the damage DA2 did.....unless its redeemed in some way - any future IP BioWare release are going to be tarnished..and there is a lot of damage done.

Or it won't, seeing as the DA2 boards had people complaining for a year after release. And this is much more worse. 

I suppose depends on what you consider to be 'blown over' really.

The Epic Community Event was brought up for about 2 months quite loudly. DA2 was also about 2 months.

Although for everytime they do something that annoys customers - the length on time it is a focal point lasts a bit longer it seems.

I still think the major coverage will be well and truly over in 2 - 3 months - but that doesn't mean everyone will have forgotten.