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[POLL] Gameplay or Story. Which was more important to you?


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So you all PLAY GAMES for story and not gameplay. How can you say gameplay is not important. GAMEPLAY IS THE CORE AND PURPOSE OF VIDEO GAMES. And yet you all say its not important. How can you call yourself a gamer and say that gameplay is not important. Do you people have any idea how stupid it makes you all sound. Do you even want video games or do you just want interactive movies that take little to no effort to play. GAMEPLAY WILL ALWAYS AND FOREVER BE THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECT OF GAMING. Considering the point of a video game is to PLAY it.

A game with a bad story can still be good if the gameplay is there. But a game with a good story and bad gameplay makes a bad game. Especially considering that %99 of the time you will be PLAYING the crappy game and not watching the cutscenes. If you guys like story so much why don't you just watch movies or read a book.

Who PLAYS video games for the GAMEPLAY. Thats just absurd.

Modifié par Tigercml, 08 mai 2012 - 07:02 .


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Story

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Story is more important

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Story is paramount, but good gameplay is also important.

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Kind of a dumb question, IMHO. ME3 is the finale of a successful story. Very few people on these boards haven't played the preceeding games. So you aren't likely to get a lot of support for gameplay. Gameplay would have to be actively bad in this particular situation.

But there are plenty of RPGs where the gameplay is so bad, you never get to figuring out what the story is.

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I feel like I have to dispell a bit of frustration of some people here. My goal was to find out the motivation of most customers (yes, i'm using that word on purpose) behind buying ME3. It is quite clear that a lot of ME3 workload put emphasis on 'polishing' the gameplay (the shooter part) and its elements, while I was of the impression people would have liked it the way it was in ME2 just fine. Instead, story elements was where many sought ME3 strength... and got somewhat (if not strongly) burnt, especially by the ending.

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Story of course!!!

I certainly didn't replay ME1 10 times because of it's gameplay!

The gameplay is great in ME2/3 but half the time I play on easy to rush through for the story.

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Skeloton wrote...

I can't vote either way as both for me are of equal priority.


This.

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Rogue1982 wrote...

It is quite clear that a lot of ME3 workload put emphasis on 'polishing' the gameplay (the shooter part) and its elements, while I was of the impression people would have liked it the way it was in ME2 just fine. Instead, story elements was where many sought ME3 strength... and got somewhat (if not strongly) burnt, especially by the ending.


That's not clear at all, actually.  The gameplay is mostly better than ME2's, but how much of the development time that took isn't clear.

Also, you act like those zots are interchangeable.  No amount of extra time by the systems designer team is going to improve the quality of the story the writers develop.  Unless you think they were going to fire the systems designers and hire more writers?

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Vormaerin wrote...

Rogue1982 wrote...

It is quite clear that a lot of ME3 workload put emphasis on 'polishing' the gameplay (the shooter part) and its elements, while I was of the impression people would have liked it the way it was in ME2 just fine. Instead, story elements was where many sought ME3 strength... and got somewhat (if not strongly) burnt, especially by the ending.


That's not clear at all, actually.  The gameplay is mostly better than ME2's, but how much of the development time that took isn't clear.

Also, you act like those zots are interchangeable.  No amount of extra time by the systems designer team is going to improve the quality of the story the writers develop.  Unless you think they were going to fire the systems designers and hire more writers?


Implementation of Multiplayer is one of the things we could consider 'gameplay emphasis'. That alone must have reguired time and resources. Along with other 'improvements' to the shooter parts of the game.

As to interchangeability, productions have limited budgets as well as development time (unfortunately). By now, we know that (for example) nearly by the end of 2011, there was no consensus about how ME3 would end. That for me is an indication of some neglection in a departament, so to speak. 


EDIT: And yes. I understand the difference between writers and developers. Still, wouldn't hurt to give the former a little more 'incentive', possibly some backup and time. I'm not saying the writers did a poor job. Most of ME3 was handled well IMHO.

Modifié par Rogue1982, 08 mai 2012 - 08:42 .


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Tigercml wrote...
So you all PLAY GAMES for story and not gameplay. How can you say gameplay is not important. GAMEPLAY IS THE CORE AND PURPOSE OF VIDEO GAMES. And yet you all say its not important. How can you call yourself a gamer and say that gameplay is not important. Do you people have any idea how stupid it makes you all sound. Do you even want video games or do you just want interactive movies that take little to no effort to play. GAMEPLAY WILL ALWAYS AND FOREVER BE THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECT OF GAMING. Considering the point of a video game is to PLAY it.
A game with a bad story can still be good if the gameplay is there. But a game with a good story and bad gameplay makes a bad game. Especially considering that %99 of the time you will be PLAYING the crappy game and not watching the cutscenes. If you guys like story so much why don't you just watch movies or read a book.
Who PLAYS video games for the GAMEPLAY. Thats just absurd.

That's because RPGs are a special kind of game. That's the reason why RPG gameplay can be that different from one game to the other, because in those games gameplay is the the means instead of the goal.

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Those 42 people need to remove themselves from the gene pool.

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Gamplay. It doesn't matter how great the story is, if I can't play it then I won't enjoy the story enough to play through it.

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If the story is great I can forgive some clunky gameplay mechanics.
If the gameplay is great but the story is non existent then Id most likly not get a new game from the company.

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brain_damage wrote...

Those 42 people need to remove themselves from the gene pool.


Coming from the person who's name is brain_damage.

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Kakita Tatsumaru wrote...

Tigercml wrote...
So you all PLAY GAMES for story and not gameplay. How can you say gameplay is not important. GAMEPLAY IS THE CORE AND PURPOSE OF VIDEO GAMES. And yet you all say its not important. How can you call yourself a gamer and say that gameplay is not important. Do you people have any idea how stupid it makes you all sound. Do you even want video games or do you just want interactive movies that take little to no effort to play. GAMEPLAY WILL ALWAYS AND FOREVER BE THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECT OF GAMING. Considering the point of a video game is to PLAY it.
A game with a bad story can still be good if the gameplay is there. But a game with a good story and bad gameplay makes a bad game. Especially considering that %99 of the time you will be PLAYING the crappy game and not watching the cutscenes. If you guys like story so much why don't you just watch movies or read a book.
Who PLAYS video games for the GAMEPLAY. Thats just absurd.

That's because RPGs are a special kind of game. That's the reason why RPG gameplay can be that different from one game to the other, because in those games gameplay is the the means instead of the goal.


RPG's are all about gameplay. Gameplay is most important in RPG's. A good RPG is 100+ hours. So for that 100+ hours your ok with mediocre gameplay. As long as the few hours of story are good. That makes no sense.

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Story. The gameplay is fun, and a huge improvement over ME1, but the appeal of Mass Effect (for me) has always been the characters and main storyline.

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Tigercml wrote...
RPG's are all about gameplay. Gameplay is most important in RPG's. A good RPG is 100+ hours. So for that 100+ hours your ok with mediocre gameplay. As long as the few hours of story are good. That makes no sense.

Tabletop RPG game systems are usually crap, still they're usually great experience.
Computer RPG comes from that, actually sometimes they did just emulation from that so as long as the gameplay doesn't get in the way of roleplay and story progression it's not a problem.
It's just that a good gameplay is a cool bonus, that's all.

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Voted! Story is much more important to me, even though I enjoy the gameplay as well.

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well we know what bioware decided to focus on, they somehow forgot that people play mass effect for the story not the pretty decent gears of war combat

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The designer instincts in me say gameplay.

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I dont believe in settling for less. I want an amazing story and amazing gameplay. Anyone prioritizing one over the other is short changing themselves.

That being said ive enjoyed plenty of games where the story was a bit lacking and the gameplay was stellar and vice versa.

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Tigercml wrote...

So you all PLAY GAMES for story and not gameplay. How can you say gameplay is not important. GAMEPLAY IS THE CORE AND PURPOSE OF VIDEO GAMES. And yet you all say its not important. How can you call yourself a gamer and say that gameplay is not important. Do you people have any idea how stupid it makes you all sound. Do you even want video games or do you just want interactive movies that take little to no effort to play. GAMEPLAY WILL ALWAYS AND FOREVER BE THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECT OF GAMING. Considering the point of a video game is to PLAY it.

A game with a bad story can still be good if the gameplay is there. But a game with a good story and bad gameplay makes a bad game. Especially considering that %99 of the time you will be PLAYING the crappy game and not watching the cutscenes. If you guys like story so much why don't you just watch movies or read a book.

Who PLAYS video games for the GAMEPLAY. Thats just absurd.

THIS!!!
You took exactly what I was going to say right from my mouth.

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Tigercml wrote...

So you all PLAY GAMES for story and not gameplay. How can you say gameplay is not important. GAMEPLAY IS THE CORE AND PURPOSE OF VIDEO GAMES. And yet you all say its not important. How can you call yourself a gamer and say that gameplay is not important. Do you people have any idea how stupid it makes you all sound. Do you even want video games or do you just want interactive movies that take little to no effort to play. GAMEPLAY WILL ALWAYS AND FOREVER BE THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECT OF GAMING. Considering the point of a video game is to PLAY it.

A game with a bad story can still be good if the gameplay is there. But a game with a good story and bad gameplay makes a bad game. Especially considering that %99 of the time you will be PLAYING the crappy game and not watching the cutscenes. If you guys like story so much why don't you just watch movies or read a book.

Who PLAYS video games for the GAMEPLAY. Thats just absurd.


100% this.  A game is a game and not a movie.

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Gameplay has always been more important to me, even in story heavy games like mass effect and dragon age. Why? Because with poor gameplay, I don't feel compelled enough to stick around for the story. It would have to be an INCREDIBLE story to justify clunky controls and a non intuitive user interface, and frankly, no games so far have qualified. I really love that the gameplay has become smoother over each consecutive ME title, and over the DA titles also. It's a beautiful thing :)

Modifié par Cyne, 09 mai 2012 - 12:24 .