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To Bioware and Gamers! FTL DRIVE, Crucible Attack! And Escaping Joker - MY CALCULATIONS and Opinion about ending.


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michal9o90

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This comment is of course entitled and dedicated to bioware workes for the most part but it also may serve asgood guide for gamers who are not into mass effect's plot so deeply.

Just for curiosity because this gave me no peace. I accurately calculated the FTL SPEED in MASS EFFECT! And Can Joker really escape from wave and get to the new planet?!

In ME FTL can do 12 light years in 24 Hours.

SO

Speed of LIGHT = 300 000 km/s

 

For better understanding I use American scale:

1,000,000 – one million

1,000,000,000 – one billion (a thousand million)

1,000,000,000,000 -one trillion (a thousand billion)

 

So if you multiply the time (seconds) and speed of light then you get THAT:

12 light years = 113 529 600 000 000 kilometers ( 113 Trilions 529 Bilions  600 milions Kilometers for 12 years)

 
BUT

In Mass effect 12 ligth years you can do in 24 Hours. So if you want to know how much ship fly in one second, you have to do simply calculations:

24H = 86 400 seconds

113 529 600 000 000 KM –86 400s (it’s 24 Hours)

          X   ---------------------  1 s

 

X = (113 529 600 000 000KM *1s) : 86 400s = 1 314 000 000KM

So our X = 1 314 000 000KM/s

THIS IS “FTL SPEED” IN MASS EFFECT

( One Billion and 314 millions kilometers per second)


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Now I will tell you how far Pluto is, And Our Charon Relay, if you want to know Charon Relay is a Pluto’s natural satellite (Like in real world, Pluto have (moon) natural satellite which is called exactly same as Charon Relay)

 
How Far Pluto is?  39 AU.  WHAT IS AU?

AU- An astronomical unit (abbreviated as AU, au, a.u., or ua) is a unit of length equal to about 149,597,870.7 kilometres (92,955,807.3mi)[1] or approximately the mean EarthSun distance. So earth is “ONE AU” from the SUN.

1 AU approximately = 150 milions Kilometers

You ask…..How far Pluto is from the earth? Approximately is 38AU!

SO Pluto is 38*150milions =5 700 000 000 km ( 5 bilions and 700 milions Kilometers) from earth.

So if we know FTLSPEED, and pluto distance from earth then “We can CALCULATE How fast Joker can get to Relay Charon”with FTL SPEED!

FTL SPEED = 1 314 000 000KM/s

Pluto Distance from the earth = 5 700 000 000KM

5 700 000 000 km : 1 314 000 000KM = 4,33

4,33 seconds that much take journey with FTL SPEED from earth to Pluto and our CHARON RELAY.


So Joker maybe have the chance to escape BUT only in theory!

Why? I explain THIS.

Joker was fighting with reapers, because Normandy was the sword of the attack and main base of command so Joker can’t earlier escape from battle. Besides he would never leave THE COMANDOR SHEPARD! OUR HERO!

In last ending sequence we can see that  Normandy trying to run away from the wave, please notice that a wave is moves a lot faster than the ship itself (Because we seen as catching up with normandy wich is in FTL speed ) so wave's speed is deffinetely faster than FTl's or maybe even faster than Mass Relay speed. This proves that  the same wave would arrive to the Charon Relay before Normandy without a single doubt. Furthermore, the Relay would be destroyed sooner than Normandy get there.

Why? Because if wave is faster (we seen it in the movie), then the same wave arrive to the relay in 2? 3 seconds?
 

So Joker would only have (how much?) ONE SECOND? FOR Activating the FTL SPEED? And where is time for deactivate FTL, and get to the Charon relay, because he can’t use Mass Relay when Using FTL SPEED!

And NOW!

If joker's escape was only a simple escape without using Mass Relay, so Joker still only had How much time? From when he see the wave to activate FTL? One second? 2 seconds?

 

Even if he succeeded, he would not get very far because wave in a few second will catch him and Normandy will be destroyed. So how far he can get in just few seconds? There is no option that Joker/Normandy can reaches the New Planet. Because The distance which he would travel during that short time (1-10s? before wave catch him) would be like one and half of total solar system’s diameter or like 2. There is no option, that this is enough to reaches new planet in whole New system.

 

And there is one more thing, Where is the time for rescue a squad members which were running with me to this Blue Light, and they were hit by Reapers. They learn teleport? Or Joker learn how to hold time?

 
PLS
Bioware explain this, or pls change ending for better. I’m BIG FAN of MASS EFFECT’s Saga. But I can’t approve this ending without good explanation.

 

My Best Regards

(and I’m waiting for answer)

UPDATE 21-03-2012

JPfanner wrote...

This is from Mass Effect Lexicon

Relay transit is instant.
"Mass Relays are mass transit devices scattered throughout the galaxy, usuallylocated within star systems. They form an enormous network allowing interstellar travel. Hailed as one of the greatest achievements of the extinct Protheans, a mass relay can transport starships instantaneously to another relay within the network, allowing for journeys that would otherwise take years or even decades with only FTL drives.


Edit: 08/01/2013

And NOW.... We have this Extendet Cut, and still its stupid, becasue:

1) Bioware admit that normandy used FTL to escape, they didnt used Charon Relay, so THEY can't get to new planet
2)
Still there is no point in escape, especially with united forces,
because this wave wont do any damage on our spaceship, only EDI is in
danger, and still only RED wave will destroy EDI, so THERE
IS NO ****ING POINT IN ESCAPE
3) Still Comandor Shepard is more precious for whole team, even for Joker, than EDI.

So.... This MEHEM mod for happy ending, make a lot more sense, than this Extended Cut Posted Image

Modifié par michal9o90, 08 janvier 2013 - 06:53 .


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michal9o90

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Ok Im done, I fix it, now you can commnet.

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*looks at equations*

Well. ****ing. Done.

No seriously, no sarcasm.

Well done.

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michal9o90

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@SoraStrife Well verry thanks, i have some trouble with write it in english, because i'm from poland, but finally i done it. I want only prove with equations that ending is strange and i want explanation from bioware, or new ending (better ending) in DLC

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 As much as I love the calculations you've done here, I'm going to have to give you the explanation the ending gives us.

It was :wizard:.

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Someone just got slapped with MATH

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Saremei

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Not only that, but what about the whole deal in the Codex talking about dropping out of FTL quickly will result in lethal levels of cherenkov radiation? Joker and Co would have been killed pretty well.

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Yeah it's a very blurry part :S
Well done with the maths though! It actually makes me think even more about the destruction of the relays, FTL drives require energy, something that makes it going. Fuel. If the Relays are destroyed and there's no connection with any other system, the FTL travel towards another system seems completely impossible given the scarce resources of Sol System :x

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Let's defeat them with SCIENCE!

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Malchus

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Because Suddenly:


Space Magic.


That is why.

Let's not even talk about the visibility of a light emitting "shockwave" while traveling faster than light...

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alx119 wrote...

Yeah it's a very blurry part :S
Well done with the maths though! It actually makes me think even more about the destruction of the relays, FTL drives require energy, something that makes it going. Fuel. If the Relays are destroyed and there's no connection with any other system, the FTL travel towards another system seems completely impossible given the scarce resources of Sol System :x


Well that is why i did this calculations. Ofcourse we can travel to another system with only FTL speed from ship, but it took, some time AND RESOURCES! Normandy already have this resorces, but i explained it in my calculation why he can't reaches new planet. TO short time!

Fail_Inc wrote...

Let's defeat them with SCIENCE!


Haha Hell Yeah!


And thank you for all who approve my efforts.

Modifié par michal9o90, 20 mars 2012 - 10:38 .


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you can't use FTL in a star system (think about the asteroid belt) you would die

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 Space Magic:wizard: vs. Space Science


Space Science wins. Flawless victory.

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You like true physicist but Space Magic cannot be explain by physics FACT

Damn you Bioware ...

Guys lets still hold the line ... ahhhh

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Wow you are a truely dedicated fan of mass effect. Kudo's to you and your math! You should be a technical writer for the mass effect series!

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Malchus wrote...


Let's not even talk about the visibility of a light emitting "shockwave" while traveling faster than light...


Wait wait wait...

Are you implying that to see light in faster-than-light travel the light needs to move faster than light but then it would not be faster than but then oh God I've gone crosseyed...

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Scientific evidence that the endings need a change. Or at least a good slap in the face.

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 The math does not take into account the Space Magic :wizard::wizard:

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Also, when the video zooms out to the galaxy view and shows all the waves of energy traveling across the galaxy, you can clearly see that the waves are covering hundreds of light years in a matter of seconds. As such, they must be traveling many, many times the speed of light. There is no way that anyone would have been able to see a wave coming and outrun it. By the time you could see the wave, it would have reached you.

Edit: Malchus beat me to it : )

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michal9o90 wrote...

This comment is of course entitled and dedicated to bioware workes for the most part but it also may serve asgood guide for gamers who are not into mass effect's plot so deeply.

Just for curiosity because this gave me no peace. I accurately calculated the FTL SPEED in MASS EFFECT! And Can Joker really escape from wave and get to the new planet?!

In ME FTL can do 12 light years in 24 Hours.

SO

Speed of LIGHT = 300 000 km/s
113 529 600 000 000 KM –86 400s (it’s 24 Hours)

          X   ---------------------  1 s

 

X = (113 529 600 000 000KM *1s) : 86 400s = 1 314 000 000KM

So our X = 1 314 000 000KM/s

THIS IS “FTL SPEED” IN MASS EFFECT

( One Billion and 314 millions kilometers per second)
or answer) 




So i guess it wont be wise to pull a break, with those speed even airbags will suck.

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Catroi wrote...

you can't use FTL in a star system (think about the asteroid belt) you would die


Yeah right, but i simply didn't mentioned this, because i want give a chance to bioware for explain this :P

Darthlawsuit wrote...

Wow you are a truely dedicated fan
of mass effect. Kudo's to you and your math! You should be a technical
writer for the mass effect series!


Again thank you, but im just a normal human with my hobby :) And it's not a Math but i like using my brain HAHAHHAHAHA

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stuffingam wrote...

 As much as I love the calculations you've done here, I'm going to have to give you the explanation the ending gives us.

It was :wizard:.


Sh*t :wizard:!

And Space Magic is the only explanation for all 3 endings.

Just like how dark energy is used in the Synthesis ending, for a force which push things apart...

dame space magic can turn into something to fuse Organics and Synthetics together.

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU~

Modifié par Felene, 20 mars 2012 - 10:47 .


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Guys, let's go Quantum Physicsy. The endings work with both Space Magic and Space Science until observed. So it's our fault we got stuck with space magic.

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Uratxekatlitza wrote...

Also, when the video zooms out to the galaxy view and shows all the waves of energy traveling across the galaxy, you can clearly see that the waves are covering hundreds of light years in a matter of seconds. As such, they must be traveling many, many times the speed of light. There is no way that anyone would have been able to see a wave coming and outrun it. By the time you could see the wave, it would have reached you.

Edit: Malchus beat me to it : )


Excatly the same thing im trying to explain in my calculation xD

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There is one problem with your calculation: you are using logic - and is obvious that ending is illogical:)

But grats for calculations;p