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[alexcarter]

SogaBan wrote...

alexcarter wrote...

SogaBan wrote...

michal9o90 wrote...

SogaBan wrote...

Wave CANNOT travel FTL. Why?

Because all 'wave's are electro-magnetic radiation (except the sound waves and water waves.. lol), so that makes thing a bit possible.

Nevertheless, as the shockwave (or the wave, as you call it) surrounds the Normandy during her escape, probably the ship was coming out of its FTL and that's the reason why it nearly engulfed the Normandy.

However, nice work done there. And well... even then the ending is a shi**y crap!

You  think wrong, Normandy is coming out of FTL BECAUSE this wave/shockwaves catching up with joker, and beings to destroying normandy.

How come? Let's simulate the sequences:
1. Normandy is already on the way tho Charon relay (in FTL)
2. Shepard talks with that Ghost kid and makes decision
3. The Crucible emits energy at the speed of light
4. By that time the Normandy may probably have reached the relay and trying to come out of FTL jump
5. The moment relay catches the Crucible's energy, it starts emitting the energy to all other relays across the galaxy - and Normandy prepares to jump through the relay and 'probably' succeeds.
6. As soon as Normandy comes out from the relay jump (unknown system) the relay network starts bursting and emits shockwave - which chases the Normandy (as shown in the end movie)
7. Because the Normandy had just come out of a relay-jump, Joker was 'probably' preparing to make another FTL jump; BUT unfortunately the shockwave devastates the EEzo core and the thrusters - normandy crash lands on some anonymous planet.

That's what I have figured out - at least the best logical sequence - I have adopted.

Kindly correct me if the sequences need restructuring...

Assuming the Joker's motivation to run away is explained, I think Joker has plenty of time to go to charon. Hear me out: 
In the control ending, there is no beam but only the wave of the energy, the "wave" is the electro-magnetic radiation which shouldn't travel at faster than light. And as for the destroy and synthesis endings, there is a beam, and you SEE it TRAVELING from one point to the relay, which can suggest the possibility that it is not even traveling at the light speed, so yeah, it will take at least 4 hours for the beam or the wave to go to the relay. If Joker dares to use FTL inside the system, he's got time 

Yea.. THAT the explanation of Joker escaping in the first hand is explained! And it's THERE the entire discussion proves moot!

Survival instinct - is a good point BUT 'probably' not applicable for a military personnel. Otherwise, in ME2 joker would have escaped from the collector base without Shepard. Even then, if anyone has read Mass Effect: Revelation novel, it has been clearly written that escaping from a battle without the direct orders - is a quality that doesn't justify a MARINE.

In my interpretation, Joker and Co. can even leave well AFTER receiving intels that confirm the reapers have all dropped dead or left, still enough time to run to charon ahead of the beam or the wave, and since now that the reapers have already been stopped, mission accomplished, why can't they finally run for their life? 

Modifié par alexcarter, 22 mars 2012 - 09:18 .

[SogaBan]

alexcarter wrote...

SogaBan wrote...

alexcarter wrote...

SogaBan wrote...

michal9o90 wrote...

SogaBan wrote...

Wave CANNOT travel FTL. Why?

Because all 'wave's are electro-magnetic radiation (except the sound waves and water waves.. lol), so that makes thing a bit possible.

Nevertheless, as the shockwave (or the wave, as you call it) surrounds the Normandy during her escape, probably the ship was coming out of its FTL and that's the reason why it nearly engulfed the Normandy.

However, nice work done there. And well... even then the ending is a shi**y crap!

You  think wrong, Normandy is coming out of FTL BECAUSE this wave/shockwaves catching up with joker, and beings to destroying normandy.

How come? Let's simulate the sequences:
1. Normandy is already on the way tho Charon relay (in FTL)
2. Shepard talks with that Ghost kid and makes decision
3. The Crucible emits energy at the speed of light
4. By that time the Normandy may probably have reached the relay and trying to come out of FTL jump
5. The moment relay catches the Crucible's energy, it starts emitting the energy to all other relays across the galaxy - and Normandy prepares to jump through the relay and 'probably' succeeds.
6. As soon as Normandy comes out from the relay jump (unknown system) the relay network starts bursting and emits shockwave - which chases the Normandy (as shown in the end movie)
7. Because the Normandy had just come out of a relay-jump, Joker was 'probably' preparing to make another FTL jump; BUT unfortunately the shockwave devastates the EEzo core and the thrusters - normandy crash lands on some anonymous planet.

That's what I have figured out - at least the best logical sequence - I have adopted.

Kindly correct me if the sequences need restructuring...

Assuming the Joker's motivation to run away is explained, I think Joker has plenty of time to go to charon. Hear me out: 
In the control ending, there is no beam but only the wave of the energy, the "wave" is the electro-magnetic radiation which shouldn't travel at faster than light. And as for the destroy and synthesis endings, there is a beam, and you SEE it TRAVELING from one point to the relay, which can suggest the possibility that it is not even traveling at the light speed, so yeah, it will take at least 4 hours for the beam or the wave to go to the relay. If Joker dares to use FTL inside the system, he's got time 

Yea.. THAT the explanation of Joker escaping in the first hand is explained! And it's THERE the entire discussion proves moot!

Survival instinct - is a good point BUT 'probably' not applicable for a military personnel. Otherwise, in ME2 joker would have escaped from the collector base without Shepard. Even then, if anyone has read Mass Effect: Revelation novel, it has been clearly written that escaping from a battle without the direct orders - is a quality that doesn't justify a MARINE.

In my interpretation, Joker and Co. can even leave well AFTER receiving intels that confirm the reapers have all dropped dead or left, still enough time to run to charon ahead of the beam or the wave, and since now that the reapers have already been stopped, mission accomplished, why can't they finally run for their life? 

Well... ermmm... That's a wishful thought at its best, Then again, if they have already received any intel of Shepard's decision, why would they run, leaving Shepard (speifically in destroy ending, where Shep survives, provided some conditions are met)???

In NO WAY we can make up for the disgusting ending!

[dbl219]

Such a great post. Send it to the top!

[michal9o90]

I say it again, as wiki telling (so lexicon/codex too) conecting relay to realy is an instant. I add this to first post! (And citadel is mass relay too)

So there is no way that joker can have time for escape. Besides why the hell we discuss something what is not possible, because all we know Joker, edi, rest of the squad won't ever left the Comandor Shepard. Even if someone ordered that (like Admiral Hackett) there is no way someone from shepard's squad could obey this order. And even we didn't hear anything like that.

Pls just stop discuss milion of possibilities and try focus on facts.

[michal9o90]

double post sry

Modifié par michal9o90, 22 mars 2012 - 02:24 .

[Koobarex]

Awesome.

[Tiger go Meow]

So...

I started to read it, and I started to see numbers put into equations. My mind exploded, but I think the point was that it's mathematically impossible to get that far that fast.

Therefore Space Magic is effing awesome and more powerful than logic.

[Ravennus]

Thanks for this! Well thought out and informative

[Whatever42]

As mentioned, there are lots of potential reasons for taking the relay: might take time to accelerate to FTL or Joker just made a choice as using the relay as the safest option.

But I'm just going to add my support to the assertion that it doesn't make a lot of sense for Joker to flee anyway. It's not his character. Look at the start of ME2.

It was the power of plot that compelled him to flee, which would be fine if it made any sense to the plot either.

[Helen0rz]

Woah! I applaud your effort sir, that's awesome!

[alexcarter]

SogaBan wrote...

alexcarter wrote...

SogaBan wrote...

alexcarter wrote...

SogaBan wrote...

michal9o90 wrote...

SogaBan wrote...

Wave CANNOT travel FTL. Why?

Because all 'wave's are electro-magnetic radiation (except the sound waves and water waves.. lol), so that makes thing a bit possible.

Nevertheless, as the shockwave (or the wave, as you call it) surrounds the Normandy during her escape, probably the ship was coming out of its FTL and that's the reason why it nearly engulfed the Normandy.

However, nice work done there. And well... even then the ending is a shi**y crap!

You  think wrong, Normandy is coming out of FTL BECAUSE this wave/shockwaves catching up with joker, and beings to destroying normandy.

How come? Let's simulate the sequences:
1. Normandy is already on the way tho Charon relay (in FTL)
2. Shepard talks with that Ghost kid and makes decision
3. The Crucible emits energy at the speed of light
4. By that time the Normandy may probably have reached the relay and trying to come out of FTL jump
5. The moment relay catches the Crucible's energy, it starts emitting the energy to all other relays across the galaxy - and Normandy prepares to jump through the relay and 'probably' succeeds.
6. As soon as Normandy comes out from the relay jump (unknown system) the relay network starts bursting and emits shockwave - which chases the Normandy (as shown in the end movie)
7. Because the Normandy had just come out of a relay-jump, Joker was 'probably' preparing to make another FTL jump; BUT unfortunately the shockwave devastates the EEzo core and the thrusters - normandy crash lands on some anonymous planet.

That's what I have figured out - at least the best logical sequence - I have adopted.

Kindly correct me if the sequences need restructuring...

Assuming the Joker's motivation to run away is explained, I think Joker has plenty of time to go to charon. Hear me out: 
In the control ending, there is no beam but only the wave of the energy, the "wave" is the electro-magnetic radiation which shouldn't travel at faster than light. And as for the destroy and synthesis endings, there is a beam, and you SEE it TRAVELING from one point to the relay, which can suggest the possibility that it is not even traveling at the light speed, so yeah, it will take at least 4 hours for the beam or the wave to go to the relay. If Joker dares to use FTL inside the system, he's got time 

Yea.. THAT the explanation of Joker escaping in the first hand is explained! And it's THERE the entire discussion proves moot!

Survival instinct - is a good point BUT 'probably' not applicable for a military personnel. Otherwise, in ME2 joker would have escaped from the collector base without Shepard. Even then, if anyone has read Mass Effect: Revelation novel, it has been clearly written that escaping from a battle without the direct orders - is a quality that doesn't justify a MARINE.

In my interpretation, Joker and Co. can even leave well AFTER receiving intels that confirm the reapers have all dropped dead or left, still enough time to run to charon ahead of the beam or the wave, and since now that the reapers have already been stopped, mission accomplished, why can't they finally run for their life? 

Well... ermmm... That's a wishful thought at its best, Then again, if they have already received any intel of Shepard's decision, why would they run, leaving Shepard (speifically in destroy ending, where Shep survives, provided some conditions are met)???

In NO WAY we can make up for the disgusting ending!

Well... ermmm... Because, specifically in the destroy ending, when they know for sure reapers are leaving all of a sudden, presumably due to Shep's effort, and then the citadel closes up and presumably leaves (we are never shown if citadel actually leaves or not, but if the reapers are leaving, one wonders the point of citadel staying behind), presumably with Shep onboard, being the valiant soldiers and dedicated squaddies as they are, shouldn't they give chase? 

Maybe we can agree on one thing, that this ending needs mental work. While I have no problem with it, I can understand people who dislike it. I actually wouldn't mind if bioware just gives us an "EXTENDED director's cut".

[alexcarter]

michal9o90 wrote...

I say it again, as wiki telling (so lexicon/codex too) conecting relay to realy is an instant. I add this to first post! (And citadel is mass relay too)

So there is no way that joker can have time for escape. Besides why the hell we discuss something what is not possible, because all we know Joker, edi, rest of the squad won't ever left the Comandor Shepard. Even if someone ordered that (like Admiral Hackett) there is no way someone from shepard's squad could obey this order. And even we didn't hear anything like that.

Pls just stop discuss milion of possibilities and try focus on facts.

I don't entirely agree with you that the beam is transferred via the citadel relay to charon relay, since we have the movie to show clearly otherwise.

But assume you are right, and let's talk about the Control ending, where there is no beam, only the energy waves. The energy clearly travels at light speed or below, so it takes about 4 hours or so to get to charon relay, this means Joker HAS time.

Now let's talk about why Joker still leaves. By this stage, the reapers are leaving, the citadel also closes up and... leaves (we are never shown if the citadel leaves, but one wonder its point of staying behind above earth), and probably with Shep onboard. So, being the valiant soldiers and loyal squaddies as we think they are, shouldn't Joker and Co. give chase? Now, it was never explained how the reapers moved the citadel to earth in the first place, but a safe bet would be that they use the charon relay, or any other hidden relay for that matter. Normandy will thus be leaving earth, and entering the relay. 

[disclaimer] it is, indeed, only my interpretation, or "speculation" as you will, but I am merely pointing out that your so-called "facts" are no less assumptive than mine... 

[dbl219]

Bump for awesome.

[Klijpope]

Yup, did the same calculations myself last night.

Depending on when Joker goes for the relay, and how fast the waves and beams are actually moving, gives him the opportunity to plot an escape.

As for the reason, I can offer 2 possibly plausible explanations, but only if I'm remembering correctly.

1. Shepard has a conversation with Joker before jumping to Earth that references getting Shep killed because he didn't get to the escape pod in time. Said he would not do that again. Can't remember Shep's potential replies.

2. Am I remembering it right that Admiral Hackett was actually aboard the Normandy during the final battle? If I am, and he is, could he not have ordered Joker to run? Of course, begs the question as to why would Hackett run?

[michal9o90]

Klijpope there is no way Hackett could run, because he try contact to shepard, becasue crucible didn't fire. Normandy has to be close to shepard for contact, besides there is no way he could run away from battle, he is fu*king damn soldier, who will do what was came for.

Modifié par michal9o90, 22 mars 2012 - 09:44 .

[michal9o90]

http://www.strategyi...ffect-3-endings

You heard about this? Now you have prove that this ending is ONE WHOLE BULL SH*T

I knew there is something strange in this whole ME3 game, i forgot during palying ME3 about this Haelstrom and this all Dark energy. Karpyshyn you are my idol. Bioware sucks!

[Xarathos]

:shakes fist: MAAAAAAATH!

No, seriously, that was awesome. Thank you.

[Ultra Prism]

Space magic violates all theoretical math lol

[lordofdogtown19]

Bump.

I never thought I'd say this but, HOORAY FOR MATH!!

but seriously well done. I hope someone shows these equations to Bioware at PAX

[Clayless]

I've searched youtube but I can't seem to find any video that shows Joker going through the relay.

Can someone link me to a video where Joker goes through the relay rather than hitting FTL travel?

[Clayless]

Bump.

I want my question answered.

[lordofdogtown19]

^ there isn't a scene were joker goes through a realy

[Thorn Harvestar]

So, why didn't Joker just park the damn thing on Earth?

If the pulse didn't kill the Soldiers on the ground (in the good Destroy endings at least), it wouldn't have hurt the ship that bad.

[Clayless]

lordofdogtown19 wrote...

^ there isn't a scene were joker goes through a realy

So why are people saying he goes through a relay then?

[Oakenshield1]

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Modifié par Oakenshield1, 24 mars 2012 - 11:34 .