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[Leafs43]

lol @ them thinking changing the ending is affront to people who loved it.

The people who loved it probably though about it for 20 seconds and their mind went somewhere else.

[Vromrig]

terdferguson123 wrote...

 Why are you guys getting so angry over a simple statement? All it is a twitter message saying some people liked the ending... You guys are honestly getting out of control. It's starting to scare me a bit, this whole retake movement is taking on a real cult mentality. It started out as a simple ending dlc movement, and it has quickly turned into a bunch of vile human beings spitting hate every which way if everyone doesn't agree with their opinion 100%

Miscategorization, laden with hyperbole.  Probably trolling.  Unfortunate.  By and large, Retake Mass Effect group wishes to engage in dialogue.

No need to try to start fires.

[LTKerr]

TheLostGenius wrote...

I DONT WANT THE ENDING TO CHANGE! Do you guys realize that most people that liked it or loved it aren't even WRITING in these threads? Don't delude yourselves, people have differing opinions than yours.

Then don't download the DLC, if they fix it that way.

[Turtlicious]

Vromrig wrote...

Valo_Soren wrote...

TheLostGenius wrote...

I DONT WANT THE ENDING TO CHANGE! Do you guys realize that most people that liked it or loved it aren't even WRITING in these threads? Don't delude yourselves, people have differing opinions than yours.

Exactly, because the people that love it, don't have anything to complain about.

Plausibility of passionate love for this ending based solely on its content is slim.  More likely standing by Bioware as company, third party influences.

Difficult to imagine one finds this "preferred" ending if asked about five weeks ago.

I now read everything you write as if you're mordin solus. I have no idea why, but it's epic.

Oh because you do write everything as Mordin.

That's even better.

Modifié par Turtlicious, 20 mars 2012 - 10:59 .

[Lancane]

xeNNN wrote...

TheLostGenius wrote...

I DONT WANT THE ENDING TO CHANGE! Do you guys realize that most people that liked it or loved it aren't even WRITING in these threads? Don't delude yourselves, people have differing opinions than yours.

you know the reason a DLC would work?  

is because it doesnt mean you HAVE to download it and perminatly change the ending to the game you complete idiot. 

it means that the user has the CHOICE whether to use alternative endings or not so stop complaining about complainers.  fml. so sick of people like you.

I second that! 

[BWGungan]

species.zero wrote...

BWGungan wrote...

Arokel wrote...

cjmarsh725 wrote...

species.zero wrote...
The first several times I read that, I was parsing it wrong...

You know, that makes a whole lot of sense...

It does and I hope that is the case.

I parsed it the second way my first read through.  It doesn't really change my opinion on the matter of the ending being awful and amateurish.

Oh yeah, the ending is terrible, and they really need to fix it.

Seriously, it sounds exactly like stuff I was writing in 8th grade creative writing class.

[GodChildInTheMachine]

I'm sure some people also think that Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions are better than the Matrix, and that movies like Inception and Donnie Darko are the greatest examples of depth and profundity that human art has to offer.

I try so hard not to be a cynical misanthrope...

[Myrmedus]

SmokePants wrote...

Narsilsword wrote...

IF Bioware turns their back on us they turn their back on Mass Effect!

To ignore the flaws of the ending requires that you are:
1)Not heavily invested in the franchise
2)Didn't give it much thought. in other words you treated it superficially like you would a summer action movie.
3)don't really care, in which case you shouldn't mind a change
4) Beleive that covering up mistakes goes against some moral code (the ludicrous art argument)

We are the people who saw the ending did mass effect a huge disservice. It undoes the franchise!
To listen to those who praise it rather than those who took the time to properly explain the flaws is denial.
They don't want to hear it so they'll continue to make the same mistakes. Bioware won't grow if it doesn't listen

I'm not saying write what the fans want, I am saying go back and fix it. It's broken!

Hold the line!

Most of you are victims of confirmation bias. You agree with points that agree with your hypothesis and you are blind to things that disagree with it.

Exposure to these message boards is causing your opinion to grow steadily more negative and causing your righteous indignation to climb steadily upward. Until the whole internet stupor blows over and you start to come back down to Earth.

Really?

No, it is simply the fact that there is no genuinely defensible reason why an OPTIONAL DLC to change, or add, endings would be an affront or conflict with those of you who enjoy the current endings.

Come up with one and perhaps we'll see your point, but hitherto you haven't come up with one with any degree of substance.

Thus far you've basically said "I don't want additional endings because they'd make my endings feel less fun" - ie. if I'm fine with it then screw everyone else! I also dispute the assertion itself. If you like the current endings as is, you won't have a problem with new endings, unless there's a new ending you prefer in which case you're a winner too.

And the sheer fact you're ignoring or deflecting arguments and posts which successfully refute your claims not only proves your quoted assertions wrong but actually spotlights you as a hypocrite, as you fall into those who are only given credence to arguments which support your own without confronting those that do not.

Modifié par Myrmedus, 20 mars 2012 - 10:59 .

[Lietuvis]

Are they actually hiring people to like the endings? How emotionally scared and not interested in mass effect series would you have to be to LIKE the ending?

[CDRSkyShepard]

Shepard Wins wrote...

"Plenty of feedback"? That's interesting, especially that it points to a conclusion that majority of people who liked the ending are using Twitter and nothing else (BSN, Facebook). Standard PR tactic. I'll continue holding the line, thank you.

You know, it must be the same "huge fanbase" that wanted Joker/EDI, despite the fact that there was no thread supporting such a thing, no group, and a large fanbase of people who wanted Joker as an LI for Shepard, not EDI.

Gotta love PR spin.

[superwampa]

Where are these "plenty" of people. Almost all I see on facebook/twitter/BW social are players and fans who are dissatisfied with the ending. Maybe people who don't like the ending are the most vocal? I doubt that, with that many ME3 games sold, statistically it's impossible.

But people, please REMAIN CIVIL, that's the most important thing. Do not become trolls and haters that PR people want us to be. Don't go that route. The PR people are the Reapers who want us to act like haters, and if we do that, we walk on the path of evolution they chose for us, and it's not good.

[Namevah]

NReed106 wrote...

Enjoy losing your passionate fan base. The fan base which is far more vocal in their support of you and will be a huge detriment should you ignore them.

What forum do those fans post at?

[Versus Omnibus]

Myrmedus wrote...

Valo_Soren wrote...

TheLostGenius wrote...

I DONT WANT THE ENDING TO CHANGE! Do you guys realize that most people that liked it or loved it aren't even WRITING in these threads? Don't delude yourselves, people have differing opinions than yours.

Exactly, because the people that love it, don't have anything to complain about.

And again, why do you seem to think it has to be those who liked it vs. those who did not.

They can ADD NEW ENDINGS. There is no reason why the current endings have to change. There is no reason why those in favour vs. those against should even exist. The numbers of people who like it as it is compared to those who do not is a non-issue, because additional endings do not create a conflict between those two different interests.

All that matters is the large amount of unhappy fans who should be given the chance to end the game as was advertised to them. This is not in direct conflict with those of you currently happy.

How many times....

I very much agree with you. Why is it that everybody is so against us? I highly doubt Bioware will literally replace the current ending with a new one; just add new ones to satisfy the 50,000+ players who asked for them.

[Grasich]

Turtlicious wrote...

Vromrig wrote...

Valo_Soren wrote...

TheLostGenius wrote...

I DONT WANT THE ENDING TO CHANGE! Do you guys realize that most people that liked it or loved it aren't even WRITING in these threads? Don't delude yourselves, people have differing opinions than yours.

Exactly, because the people that love it, don't have anything to complain about.

Plausibility of passionate love for this ending based solely on its content is slim.  More likely standing by Bioware as company, third party influences.

Difficult to imagine one finds this "preferred" ending if asked about five weeks ago.

I now read everything you write as if you're mordin solus. I have no idea why, but it's epic.

I know, right? I love this guy!

[The_Crazy_Hand]

Edit2:

An user mentioned the tweet was deleted, so I add a bigger screenshot.
http://img846.images...aretwitter2.jpg

Heh, yeah, no ****.

Seriously Bioware, don't act like you're listening to us, then make up random crap to excuse yourself for not really doing so.  I'd actually be more accepting of "**** you, deal with it"

[savionen]

SmokePants wrote...

Narsilsword wrote...

IF Bioware turns their back on us they turn their back on Mass Effect!

To ignore the flaws of the ending requires that you are:
1)Not heavily invested in the franchise
2)Didn't give it much thought. in other words you treated it superficially like you would a summer action movie.
3)don't really care, in which case you shouldn't mind a change
4) Beleive that covering up mistakes goes against some moral code (the ludicrous art argument)

We are the people who saw the ending did mass effect a huge disservice. It undoes the franchise!
To listen to those who praise it rather than those who took the time to properly explain the flaws is denial.
They don't want to hear it so they'll continue to make the same mistakes. Bioware won't grow if it doesn't listen

I'm not saying write what the fans want, I am saying go back and fix it. It's broken!

Hold the line!

Most of you are victims of confirmation bias. You agree with points that agree with your hypothesis and you are blind to things that disagree with it.

Exposure to these message boards is causing your opinion to grow steadily more negative and causing your righteous indignation to climb steadily upward. Until the whole internet stupor blows over and you start to come back down to Earth.

Every Mass Effect 3 message board has threads about how terrible the ending is. In general, I don't really see any positive, except here. For the most part it's either people that hated it or "I didn't hate it, but....." 4 different sources, different companies, different groups of people had 85-95% of people saying they disliked the endings.

[Blackymir]

terdferguson123 wrote...

 Why are you guys getting so angry over a simple statement? All it is a twitter message saying some people liked the ending... You guys are honestly getting out of control. It's starting to scare me a bit, this whole retake movement is taking on a real cult mentality. It started out as a simple ending dlc movement, and it has quickly turned into a bunch of vile human beings spitting hate every which way if everyone doesn't agree with their opinion 100%

I think its the waiting for an answer that is doing it and the PR jargon. I know there are people that like the ending and yes I believe there is a way to please both us and them but I think the quicker Bioware at least says something definitive the more quickly people will chill out. I do agree we should try to stay civil however an occational sarcasm doesnt hurt anyone lol

[Chuvvy]

I wonder what it's like to be bioware? Living in a glass bubble surrounded only by yes men. I'm guessing they actually believe the praise they get from Kotaku, Destructoid, and IGN, even though they've been bought and paid for by their corporate overlords.

[Narsilsword]

SmokePants wrote...

Narsilsword wrote...

IF Bioware turns their back on us they turn their back on Mass Effect!

To ignore the flaws of the ending requires that you are:
1)Not heavily invested in the franchise
2)Didn't give it much thought. in other words you treated it superficially like you would a summer action movie.
3)don't really care, in which case you shouldn't mind a change
4) Beleive that covering up mistakes goes against some moral code (the ludicrous art argument)

We are the people who saw the ending did mass effect a huge disservice. It undoes the franchise!
To listen to those who praise it rather than those who took the time to properly explain the flaws is denial.
They don't want to hear it so they'll continue to make the same mistakes. Bioware won't grow if it doesn't listen

I'm not saying write what the fans want, I am saying go back and fix it. It's broken!

Hold the line!

Most of you are victims of confirmation bias. You agree with points that agree with your hypothesis and you are blind to things that disagree with it.

Exposure to these message boards is causing your opinion to grow steadily more negative and causing your righteous indignation to climb steadily upward. Until the whole internet stupor blows over and you start to come back down to Earth.

You say most, but you obviously say that out of inference and not out of any evidence. As a writer myself I witnessed the ending go against so much established canon it can be calssified as self destruction.
If you are in defense of the ending. defend it. I am down to earth and am willing to prvoe my side

[cinderburster]

TheLostGenius wrote...

I DONT WANT THE ENDING TO CHANGE! Do you guys realize that most people that liked it or loved it aren't even WRITING in these threads? Don't delude yourselves, people have differing opinions than yours.

We know that.  And a lot (I daresay most) of us don't want the endings to be entirely re-written, either.  We just want them either explained satisfactorily or added to, for those of us who would have liked to see more than three different colors of the same thing.

[Myrmedus]

Versus Omnibus wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

Valo_Soren wrote...

TheLostGenius wrote...

I DONT WANT THE ENDING TO CHANGE! Do you guys realize that most people that liked it or loved it aren't even WRITING in these threads? Don't delude yourselves, people have differing opinions than yours.

Exactly, because the people that love it, don't have anything to complain about.

And again, why do you seem to think it has to be those who liked it vs. those who did not.

They can ADD NEW ENDINGS. There is no reason why the current endings have to change. There is no reason why those in favour vs. those against should even exist. The numbers of people who like it as it is compared to those who do not is a non-issue, because additional endings do not create a conflict between those two different interests.

All that matters is the large amount of unhappy fans who should be given the chance to end the game as was advertised to them. This is not in direct conflict with those of you currently happy.

How many times....

I very much agree with you. Why is it that everybody is so against us? I highly doubt Bioware will literally replace the current ending with a new one; just add new ones to satisfy the 50,000+ players who asked for them.

Because BW are stoking the fires.

Think of the guys who are arguing with us on the forums as husks, with BW as the Reapers.

[streamlock]

MattFini wrote...

BWGungan wrote...

streamlock wrote...

"We've spoken to plenty of people who loved the direction we took." -Russell Mulcahy 1991 After the release of Highlander II.

That is just awesome.

Oh my God ... i might have to steal that and tweet it.

Go for it, I don't twit.....er tweet anyway.

[Sublyminal]

I guess two or three people is plenty to them.

[Priss Blackburne]

A lot of the people if you follow into their own feeds either have stated in them they don't like the ending or that they believe in the indoctrination theory why they like the ending. ( I've only checked about 6 of them out of curiosity and about 4 of them did )

There are some that really do like the endings and that's not a PR spin or conspiracy. People will like it. No reason for attacking them or Bioware for this fact as it's just the way it is.

My friend loves games that I don't it's the nature of free will.

Attacking Bioware for wanting to say thanks to people that like there game does not help the movement to get them to address the endings to the ones who don't. Would you only respond to people that hate something you made or would you prefer to talk to the people who did as much or more?

We all can Agree they have creating a amazing game, even if some of us have a hard time dealing with the ending I don't think they should be punished for this. If they respect their fans enough to add or expand the ending to better satisfy the community then I will shout on the highest hilltop about how much I love bioware. If they don't and just ignore us then I will respect their right and never think of mass effect again and possibly never buy another Bioware game as is my right.

I am a Fan of the Mass Effect Universe which is why I'm so moved by this. I do not want to see it harmed and will not be happy about mass returns and sales declines. I want Mass Effect to Succeed more than any other Franchise I have seen.

The Ball is in Biowares Court. we will ahve to wait and see if they can make Mass Effect a power franchise to be awed or just another franchise that will be talked of in the past tense in fondest and sadness for what it could have been.